The Silver Fern

    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Users
    • Tipping
    • Thread Topics
    • Highlights
    • Team Sheets
    • NPC Results
    • Upvote Leaderboard
        • TSF
        • Home Page
        • Browse Posts
        • Tipping
        • Tipping Home
        • Submit Your Tips
        • Current Tips
          Rugby Info
        • Team Sheets
        • Highlights
        • Rugby Results
        • AB Results
        • SR Results
        • NPC Results
          Forum Links
        • Leaderboard
        • Popular Topics
        • Topic Tags

    Hang on a sec

    Off Topic
    23
    179
    10806
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • R
      reprobate last edited by

      <p>so if a topic is locked, some people (mods?) can still post in it?</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>hypothetically speaking for example, in a global warming thread - someone could post an article from one point of view after it's locked so nobody would be able to rebut it?</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>now there's a conspiracy.</p>

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • Hooroo
        Hooroo last edited by

        <p>It's a small pain in that we can post in it but it isn't obvious it is locked if posting on phone or through Tapatalk etc.  I would be fairly certain BSG didn't realise it was locked</p>

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • jegga
          jegga last edited by

          I wonder how many pages a discussion about this would go before it got locked ?<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75643978/Germany-on-edge-after-mass-sexual-assault-in-Cologne-blamed-on-refugees'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75643978/Germany-on-edge-after-mass-sexual-assault-in-Cologne-blamed-on-refugees</a>

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • antipodean
            antipodean last edited by

            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="550933" data-time="1452042751">
            <p>I wonder how many pages a discussion about this would go before it got locked ?<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75643978/Germany-on-edge-after-mass-sexual-assault-in-Cologne-blamed-on-refugees'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75643978/Germany-on-edge-after-mass-sexual-assault-in-Cologne-blamed-on-refugees</a></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p> <br>
            I was about to start a thread on that, particularly after seeing the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html'>Mayor of Cologne suggesting a Code of Conduct</a> so that Germany's women would be less likely to be sexually assaulted...</p>

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • jegga
              jegga last edited by

              <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="550938" data-time="1452044811"><p>
              I was about to start a thread on that, particularly after seeing the <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html">Mayor of Cologne suggesting a Code of Conduct</a> so that Germany's women would be less likely to be sexually assaulted...</p></blockquote>
              <br>
              Jesus. It's weird to be seeing a woman try and minimise this.

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • No Quarter
                No Quarter last edited by

                <p>She's absolutely right. I mean comon, what were those woman thinking getting within arms reach of perfect strangers at a busy train station? If a woman gets with arms reach of me I just grab her arse, because I know that must be what she wants..............</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p>What a completely fucked up situation.</p>

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • Rancid Schnitzel
                  Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                  My cousin lives in Cologne and I've visited him there many times. It is a very very liberal city. The kind of city where single women complain that all the best men are gay. <br><br>
                  This will not end well.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Tim
                    Tim last edited by

                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="550956" data-time="1452051380">
                    <div>
                    <p>She's absolutely right. I mean comon, what were those woman thinking getting within arms reach of perfect strangers at a busy train station? If a woman gets with arms reach of me I just grab her arse, because I know that must be what she wants..............</p>
                    <p> </p>
                    <p>What a completely fucked up situation.</p>
                    </div>
                    </blockquote>
                    <p> </p>
                    <p>I'm waiting for "don't leave the house without a male relative" to be added to the practical advice list.</p>

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • Rancid Schnitzel
                      Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tim" data-cid="550960" data-time="1452053086"><p>
                      I'm waiting for "don't leave the house without a male relative" too be added to the practical advice list.</p></blockquote>
                      <br>
                      You forgot, "while wearing a freedom sack".

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • jegga
                        jegga last edited by

                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="550959" data-time="1452052052"><p>My cousin lives in Cologne and I've visited him there many times. It is a very very liberal city. The kind of city where single women complain that all the best men are gay. <br>
                        This will not end well.</p></blockquote>
                        <br>
                        Who would have thought that thousands of men who have no respect for women's rights turning up in a liberal western country could possibly result in an incident like this ?<br><br>
                        You're right this won't end well and expecting Germans to change the way they live to accommodate the new arrivals isn't going to help either .

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • gollum
                          gollum last edited by

                          <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="550923" data-time="1452039437">
                          <div>
                          <p>It's a small pain in that we can post in it but it isn't obvious it is locked if posting on phone or through Tapatalk etc.  <em><strong>I would be fairly certain BSG didn't realise it was locked</strong></em></p>
                          </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p>See, I had him pegged as a guy who would actually get enormous satisfaction out of knowing 10 non-mod posters would be slamming the quote key & screaming "Why can I not rebut!!!"</p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="550963" data-time="1452053784">
                          <div>
                          <p>Who would have thought that thousands of men who have no respect for women's rights turning up in a liberal western country could possibly result in an incident like this ?<br><br>
                          You're right this won't end well and expecting Germans to change the way they live to accommodate the new arrivals isn't going to help either .</p>
                          </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p>The Germans tend to bend over backwards to be liberal & accomodating, then eventuually they reach a piont they are bent double & they sort of snap. See it when dealing with immigrants, Greece, Russia etc.</p>
                          <p> </p>
                          <p>I'm really looking forward to that snap point as its coming up & it will be hilarious. </p>

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • jegga
                            jegga last edited by

                            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="551000" data-time="1452070292"><p>See, I had him pegged as a guy who would actually get enormous satisfaction out of knowing 10 non-mod posters would be slamming the quote key & screaming "Why can I not rebut!!!"<br>
                             <br>
                             <br>
                            The Germans tend to bend over backwards to be liberal & accomodating, then eventuually they reach a piont they are bent double & they sort of snap. See it when dealing with immigrants, Greece, Russia etc.<br>
                             <br>
                            I'm really looking forward to that snap point as its coming up & it will be hilarious.<br></p></blockquote>
                            <br>
                            It can't be far away now with behaviour like that and the response from local govt surely ? What's the story behind Merkel endorsing the pipeline Putin is so keen on?

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • jegga
                              jegga last edited by

                              <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=cfb_1449062774'>http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=cfb_1449062774</a> Isis rally in Germany . Now it looks like there has been other smaller coordinated attacks in other parts of Germany.

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • antipodean
                                antipodean last edited by

                                <p>Time for the Germans to throw off the guilt of 70 years ago.</p>

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • MajorRage
                                  MajorRage last edited by

                                  <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="551064" data-time="1452113695">
                                  <div>
                                  <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=cfb_1449062774'>http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=cfb_1449062774</a> Isis rally in Germany . Now it looks like there has been other smaller coordinated attacks in other parts of Germany.</p>
                                  </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <p> </p>
                                  <p>Is that for real?  A pro-ISIS rally in Germany?  There really is a simple solution to that.</p>

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • mariner4life
                                    mariner4life last edited by

                                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="551146" data-time="1452128308">
                                    <div>
                                    <p>Is that for real?  A pro-ISIS rally in Germany?  There really is a simple solution to that.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <p>a final solution?</p>

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • MajorRage
                                      MajorRage last edited by

                                      <p>A little bit of research shows that video to be circa 2013 and about the caricatures of Muhammad</p>

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • jegga
                                        jegga last edited by

                                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="551159" data-time="1452130673"><p>
                                        A little bit of research shows that video to be circa 2013 and about the caricatures of Muhammad</p></blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        Not really a whole lot better given how they behave about caricatures of Mohammed .

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • Rancid Schnitzel
                                          Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                          <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="551000" data-time="1452070292"><p>
                                          See, I had him pegged as a guy who would actually get enormous satisfaction out of knowing 10 non-mod posters would be slamming the quote key & screaming "Why can I not rebut!!!"<br><br><br><br>
                                          The Germans tend to bend over backwards to be liberal & accomodating, then eventuually they reach a piont they are bent double & they sort of snap. See it when dealing with immigrants, Greece, Russia etc.<br><br>
                                          I'm really looking forward to that snap point as its coming up & it will be hilarious.</p></blockquote>
                                          <br>
                                          Absolutely bang on. As history has unfortunately shown, Germans can be a rather obedient bunch. They still have an almost naive belief that their leaders always have their best interests at heart. The backlash will be a thing to behold.<br><br>
                                          The cousin I mentioned above was one of the many who donated clothes and offered his services (he's a nurse). He wasn't needed because there were so many who were willing to help. He visited a couple of months ago and was farking spitting nails. People have quickly realised that most of these so-called refugees are neither fleeing for their lives nor are many of them even from Syria. Most are young men going around taking selfies everywhere. Most importantly, Germany simply doesn't have the infrastructure or resources to cope with such a massive influx. Merkel has completely lost the plot.<br><br>
                                          My cousin is gay and one of the most liberal-minded people you will meet. If he's had a gutful then God knows what his less tolerant countrymen think. The thing is, Germany actually is pretty strict about granting permanent residency. What will happen when hundreds of thousands of young men are told to go home? Christ, what a clusterfark.

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • jegga
                                            jegga last edited by

                                            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="551221" data-time="1452140047"><p>Absolutely bang on. As history has unfortunately shown, Germans can be a rather obedient bunch. They still have an almost naive belief that their leaders always have their best interests at heart. The backlash will be a thing to behold.<br>
                                            The cousin I mentioned above was one of the many who donated clothes and offered his services (he's a nurse). He wasn't needed because there were so many who were willing to help. He visited a couple of months ago and was farking spitting nails. People have quickly realised that most of these so-called refugees are neither fleeing for their lives nor are many of them even from Syria. Most are young men going around taking selfies everywhere. Most importantly, Germany simply doesn't have the infrastructure or resources to cope with such a massive influx. Merkel has completely lost the plot.<br>
                                            My cousin is gay and one of the most liberal-minded people you will meet. If he's had a gutful then God knows what his less tolerant countrymen think. The thing is, Germany actually is pretty strict about granting permanent residency. What will happen when hundreds of thousands of young men are told to go home? Christ, what a clusterfark.</p></blockquote>
                                            <br>
                                            When the usual suspects were working themselves into a lather over the photo of the drowned toddler and demanding that we open our borders to these people there were stories appearing online about the behaviour of these refugees . I'd be interested in knowing how many were actually Syrian or even genuine refugees , a hell of a lot of them seemed to be men aged 20-40 if the photos of them are anything to go by. No surprises to see them behaving like creeps and groping women . I didn't understand Germany's attitude at the time it was very strange , the attitude of the leftards here was much the same . I get that they don't like Key and are looking for ways to make him look bad- that's politics , but surely there's a limit to how far you'll go to score points ? Why would you want to import ferals who see women as property and think nothing is wrong with child marriage?

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • Tim
                                              Tim last edited by

                                              <p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/H7IK7w2.gif" alt="H7IK7w2.gif"></p>

                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                              • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                It's pretty insane, but I think Merkel saw it as a unique opportunity to finally rehabilitate Germany from the WW2 atrocities. I suspect she also had an eye on demographics and saw this as a chance to import a young labour force. <br><br>
                                                As we can see, that's worked out real well.

                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                • Donsteppa
                                                  Donsteppa last edited by

                                                  <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="551235" data-time="1452142485"><p>I suspect she also had an eye on demographics and saw this as a chance to import a young labour force. <br></p></blockquote>
                                                  <br>
                                                  This. In an unusual manner, economic/labour considerations probably outweighed social integration/screening considerations for Merkel. (Plus the 24 hour news cycle to a small degree).

                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                  • jegga
                                                    jegga last edited by

                                                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="551237" data-time="1452142718"><p>This. In an unusual manner, economic/labour considerations probably outweighed social integration/screening considerations for Merkel. (Plus the 24 hour news cycle to a small degree).</p></blockquote>
                                                    <br>
                                                    If the new arrivals start forcing down wages Merkel is doubly screwed , I'd say it's unlikely they won't work for less than their german counterparts. Future generations are going to hate her.

                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                    • NTA
                                                      NTA last edited by

                                                      <p>Can't force wages below minimums, which was instituted in Deutschland as of 1st January last year (which is weird when you think about it - considering Australia and NZ have had it for over a century. Guess we take a lot of things for granted).</p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>There is a school of thought that you need a certain percentage of minimum-wage population to keep a functioning society. Otherwise you either fall into the poor trap or the inflation trap.</p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>Can't say I understand all of it, not really being any kind of economics whizz. But I look at house prices in Australia created by a bit of false economy in the real estate market and can see that you don't want to fuck with things on a big scale.</p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="551228" data-time="1452141216">
                                                      <div>
                                                      <p>When the usual suspects were working themselves into a lather over the photo of the drowned toddler and demanding that we open our borders to these people there were stories appearing online about the behaviour of these refugees . I'd be interested in knowing how many were actually Syrian or even genuine refugees , a hell of a lot of them seemed to be men aged 20-40 if the photos of them are anything to go by. No surprises to see them behaving like creeps and groping women . I didn't understand Germany's attitude at the time it was very strange , the attitude of the leftards here was much the same . I get that they don't like Key and are looking for ways to make him look bad- that's politics , but surely there's a limit to how far you'll go to score points ? Why would you want to import ferals who see women as property and think nothing is wrong with child marriage?</p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>Those countries sharing a border with the shitfest in mainland Europe would likely need to break out their armed forces if they set up screening stations, and that is never a good look if you have to start shooting refugees. We get the luxury of a screening process and from the pictures I've seen (which are no solid indicator of the entire sample, of course) there are families in most of the 12,000 we've agreed to take. Canada too (though sucked in for the cold weather).</p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>As to why there seem to be a lot of 20-40yo males - probably because they're of fighting age and would be enlisted at gunpoint for any of the many fucking nutjob militia running around in the desert on God's behalf. Plus they're physically more able to make the journey compared to women and children.</p>

                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                      • Donsteppa
                                                        Donsteppa last edited by

                                                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="551239" data-time="1452143004"><p>
                                                        If the new arrivals start forcing down wages Merkel is doubly screwed , I'd say it's unlikely they won't work for less than their german counterparts. Future generations are going to hate her.</p></blockquote>
                                                        <br>
                                                        In the short run, I reckon there's a lot still to play out over the next twelve months as to how many people are eventually taken, what length of visa/residency they are on, whether some refugees/migrants/opportunists* move on or get deported, etc, etc before we can predict her being generationally hated. I think there will be some second guessing going on at the mo.<br><br>
                                                        Mid-run, if German demographics are as 'bad' as some of the other Western European nations/Japan, and if (a big if) they've got their numbers and timing right (setting aside settlement and integration for the moment) at worst it'll keep wages the same/avoid upward wage inflation.<br><br><br>

                                                        • despite the way the public debate got broadly polarised between 'let them all in, they're refugees' vs 'close the borders, they're all opportunists', all three groups will be in the mix in some number. Goodness knows how (short of gunpoint) but Europe somehow needed to buy time to do some filtering of the genuine/deserving from... the others...
                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                        • Tim
                                                          Tim last edited by

                                                          <p>Some wages might go up in the short term, due to government spending driven increased demand. Of course, the German government could've gotten a similar effect from increasing spending on German citizens ...</p>

                                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                          • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                            Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                            Nick have you ever wondered why these people are galloping right through Eastern Europe and even Denmark and going straight for countries like Germany, Sweden and Norway that: (a)will let them stay (2) give them free shit? Actually I just answered that for you. As the Indonesia President once said, "Take the sugar off the table". <br><br>
                                                            With regard to work, the big question is what work these young men can actually do. They don't speak German and you have to study for years to be qualified for anything in Germany. They could do the shit jobs, but will they want to when the unemployment benefits are so generous? I've also read that even Syrians in Syria aren't keen to do the shit jobs. So I guess while you have a potential pool of labour, it appears to be largely composed of unskilled men who don't speak the language. Not exactly ideal.

                                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                            • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                              Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                              Apologies Nick, I misread your post. Disregard.

                                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                              • jegga
                                                                jegga last edited by

                                                                <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="551247" data-time="1452143429"><p>Can't force wages below minimums, which was instituted in Deutschland as of 1st January last year (which is weird when you think about it - considering Australia and NZ have had it for over a century. Guess we take a lot of things for granted).<br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                There is a school of thought that you need a certain percentage of minimum-wage population to keep a functioning society. Otherwise you either fall into the poor trap or the inflation trap.<br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                Can't say I understand all of it, not really being any kind of economics whizz. But I look at house prices in Australia created by a bit of false economy in the real estate market and can see that you don't want to fuck with things on a big scale.<br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                 <br><br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                Those countries sharing a border with the shitfest in mainland Europe would likely need to break out their armed forces if they set up screening stations, and that is never a good look if you have to start shooting refugees. We get the luxury of a screening process and from the pictures I've seen (which are no solid indicator of the entire sample, of course) there are families in most of the 12,000 we've agreed to take. Canada too (though sucked in for the cold weather).<br>
                                                                 <br>
                                                                As to why there seem to be a lot of 20-40yo males - probably because they're of fighting age and would be enlisted at gunpoint for any of the many fucking nutjob militia running around in the desert on God's behalf. Plus they're physically more able to make the journey compared to women and children.</p></blockquote>
                                                                <br>
                                                                I never said they'll work for less than the minimum wage but if they can be arsed working they'll be competing for the smelliest noisiest or most soul destroying jobs with Germans so it's the poor that'll get shafted. <br><br>
                                                                I'm sure a fair few of the men were trying to avoid fighting , I'm equally sure a decent amount of them thought " western women dress like hookers and are easy, I want some of that" the fact that they seem to be able to organise gropefests is pretty good proof of that. Living in a country where there's little nightlife that compare to a german city, the women never show any skin and the Germans will give you a benefit and a place to live it probably sounds really good to your average Arab feral to make the move .

                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                • antipodean
                                                                  antipodean last edited by

                                                                  <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="551235" data-time="1452142485">
                                                                  <div>
                                                                  <p>It's pretty insane, but I think Merkel saw it as a unique opportunity to finally rehabilitate Germany from the WW2 atrocities. I suspect she also had an eye on demographics and saw this as a chance to import a young labour force.<br><br>
                                                                  As we can see, that's worked out real well.</p>
                                                                  </div>
                                                                  </blockquote>
                                                                  <p> </p>
                                                                  <p>They'd already learnt that lesson from importing Turks.</p>

                                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                  • mariner4life
                                                                    mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="551264" data-time="1452145302">
                                                                    <div>
                                                                    <p>They'd already learnt that lesson from importing Turks.</p>
                                                                    </div>
                                                                    </blockquote>
                                                                    <p>of course, the import of Turks has resulted in the ability to get a fucking unreal kebab while walking home bent up after Oktoberfest in Munich. </p>

                                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                    • gollum
                                                                      gollum last edited by

                                                                      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="551251" data-time="1452143895">
                                                                      <div>
                                                                      <p>
                                                                      Mid-run, if German demographics are as 'bad' as some of the other Western European nations/Japan, and if (a big if) they've got their numbers and timing right (setting aside settlement and integration for the moment) at worst it'll keep wages the same/avoid upward wage inflation.<br><br>
                                                                      .</p>
                                                                      </div>
                                                                      </blockquote>
                                                                      <p> </p>
                                                                      <p>Re that arguement, what you REALLY want to import is breeding age women - ideally ones who are a bit submissive & buy the idea that they should not have careers & should stay home & raise 4 kids. And kids who are young enough to educate & become productive. So in that regard there are a LOT of Syrians you could bring in & it'd be great. You'd have a short term drain as they don't earn, but a long term positive as the population gets a boost.</p>
                                                                      <p> </p>
                                                                      <p>You very much dont want the old, or men.</p>
                                                                      <p> </p>
                                                                      <p>The "we are aging so need imigrants!" arguement only really works if the immigrants either earn enough to pay good amounts of tax or breed heavily and assimilate to provide a boost to future tax payers. The last thing you want are single low skilled men who pay almost no tax and send what money they do make home to their family.</p>
                                                                      <p> </p>
                                                                      <p>The Turks sort of worked in that Germany was in a building boom so needed low skilled labourl & more or less intergrated - plus the demographic issue was not on the radar, tho' a lot of cash was sent home. But now with robotics & so on there aren't thousands of low paid unskilled labouring jobs, or if there are the Romanians & Bulgarians are already doing them. </p>

                                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                      • Donsteppa
                                                                        Donsteppa last edited by

                                                                        And/or,<br>

                                                                        • highly skilled (younger) men in key labour market areas, or<br>
                                                                        • wealthy (younger) individuals likely to invest in job/wealth creation activities, or<br>
                                                                        • students studying higher end courses, ideally in areas of current/future skill shortage<br><br>
                                                                          I haven't dug into the trends yet, but they were never going to get many in the latter two categories, and have lucked out on the former if comments so far in the thread are on the mark. <br><br>
                                                                          I hadn't realised this about their status in Germany though: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/06/report-german-government-downgrade-syrians-can-stay-2-years-no-family-reunions/'>http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/06/report-german-government-downgrade-syrians-can-stay-2-years-no-family-reunions/</a> - many more instances like Cologne, and things will get tighter again. They seem to have given themselves some wriggle room (or at least more than I'd realised...)
                                                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                        • Donsteppa
                                                                          Donsteppa last edited by

                                                                          By contrast, the NZ refugee intake get permanent residence on arrival: <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.refugeehealth.govt.nz/about-us/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-new-zealand">http://www.refugeehealth.govt.nz/about-us/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-new-zealand</a> though based on smaller numbers <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/refugee-protection/">http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/refugee-protection/</a>

                                                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                          • Rembrandt
                                                                            Rembrandt last edited by

                                                                            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="551139" data-time="1452127631"><p>
                                                                            Time for the Germans to throw off the guilt of 70 years ago.</p></blockquote>

                                                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                            • Catogrande
                                                                              Catogrande last edited by

                                                                              <p>The volte-face of the Germans in downgrading the status of the Syrian refugees will likely turn out to be irrelevant. So they have to leave after two years instead of three? Where are they going to go? How are they going to be transported? (Please no-one say cattle trucks). How will they all be found and identified? The logistics are enormous. It took an awful lot of organisation in letting them in when both sides were working to the same aim - what chance do you give it when one side are dead set against it?</p>
                                                                              <p> </p>
                                                                              <p>Three years was bollocks anyway, 2 years is just further bollocks with a sugar coating for the German electorate. The family reunion thing might (small might) have some traction, but you can bet your last penny that any attempts to block such things will be held up as a transgression of their human rights etc etc.</p>
                                                                              <p> </p>
                                                                              <p>Nope. They are fucked on this one.</p>

                                                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                              • gollum
                                                                                gollum last edited by

                                                                                <p>UK has (apparently) 40,000 failed asylym seekers that were told to leave but haven't & now no one actually knows where they are... once you are in you are in.</p>
                                                                                <p> </p>
                                                                                <p>Plus if you fail you just go try knock someone up, then you cannot be deported due to EU humans rights laws.</p>
                                                                                <p> </p>
                                                                                <p>I guess that is an upside sort of. Sure 40,000 very dodgey asylum seekers are loose in the UK not working nor paying taxes, but 40,000 fatties & 39 year old chicks are getting that shot at a baby they'd never normally have. So silver lining there. </p>

                                                                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                • Catogrande
                                                                                  Catogrande last edited by

                                                                                  <p>On a personal, selfish level I see NO silver lining.</p>

                                                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                  • NTA
                                                                                    NTA last edited by

                                                                                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="551256" data-time="1452144506"><p>
                                                                                    Nick have you ever wondered why these people are galloping right through Eastern Europe and even Denmark and going straight for countries like Germany, Sweden and Norway that: (a)will let them stay (2) give them free shit? Actually I just answered that for you. As the Indonesia President once said, "Take the sugar off the table".<br><br>
                                                                                    With regard to work, the big question is what work these young men can actually do. They don't speak German and you have to study for years to be qualified for anything in Germany. They could do the shit jobs, but will they want to when the unemployment benefits are so generous? I've also read that even Syrians in Syria aren't keen to do the shit jobs. So I guess while you have a potential pool of labour, it appears to be largely composed of unskilled men who don't speak the language. Not exactly ideal.</p></blockquote>
                                                                                    <br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="551258" data-time="1452144808"><p>
                                                                                    Apologies Nick, I misread your post. Disregard.</p></blockquote>
                                                                                    <br>
                                                                                    :D<br><br>
                                                                                    I'm not really pro-refugee in order to fix a problem of the MidEast's making. I was just thinking out loud about what it means economically for Germany.<br><br>
                                                                                    The benefits - with one eyebrow raised at jegga's fixation with white burds being raped by camel-fuckers fresh out of the desert :fishing: - are there for all to see in terms of welfare etc.<br><br>
                                                                                    Mostly, I'm kind of shocked the krauts didn't have minimum wage as part of federal law.

                                                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                                    • First post
                                                                                      Last post