Rant: Cyclists, Oz Bureaucracy ....

Nepia

I'm not sure if we already have a rant at cyclist threads and they usually turn in to mini shitfights (but we've got a bunch of Muslim/leftard-rightard threads on the go so one more's not going to matter).
 
Cyclists 1: As most Sydney residents will know there is a three lane road running from the Harbour bridge to Manly. The inside lane is often open for parking etc. Anyway, we were driving in the middle of the 3 lanes when we caught up with 3 cyclists all wearing light blue Manly named gear - now, 2 of these cyclists were riding within the inside lane while the third was riding just over the white line in the middle lane. He was doing this deliberately because he kept turning round to check that we weren't going to overtake him. Traffic wasn't busy at this stage and there was probably a good 400 metres ahead before there was a blockage on the road (a parked car). So were stuck behind this cyclist until this parked car when we were able to pass on the outer lane. About 200 metres up the road we're on the slope leading down to the Spit Bridge, braking as you do so as to keep under the speed limit, when these 3 cyclists went flying past us, dodging in and out of traffic (one went past our passenger door and the other went past the drivers door, we were still in the middle lane) and then went through a red light to get to the walk/cycle track - it was at the car park near the bridge so they didn't actually have to avoid any left hand side traffic. These are the kind of pricks out riding bikes these days.
 
Cyclists 2: When you come off the Manly Ferry from upstairs it's generally pretty crowded if you're not at the front so you just move with the crowd. Not this dickhead, jumps on his bike at the top then starts furiously ringing his bell as he weaves in and out of people clipping their bags and just avoiding collisions. 
 
Cyclists 3: Walk/cycle tracks are idiotic, I'm always seeing near collisions and the odd collision. Why does a cyclist think that because they're rung a bell the walker is going to know exactly where they're cycling? Imagine if everytime a car driver got near a cyclist they could honk their horn and pass where they want with the expectation that the cyclist would just know where to move??? Bonkers. I do get quite conflicted when a hot female cyclist comes riding past me - I'd imagine it would be similar to Jegga finding himself physically attracted to a Green Party member.
 
Seriously though, what possess people to become complete and utter pricks once they purchase a bicycle?
 
Now I can't even bother with the Bureaucracy - but, in short, if you advertise you have a service (medicare cards) and you don't have all those services (applying for new medicare cards) then make it clearly known!
 
So rant over, but I suspect I would have lost most of you by about the 3rd sentence in the first big paragraph. It is cathartic though.

Hooroo

How come in scenario one you just didn't overtake in the third lane before the parked car?

jegga

Nepias slow evolution from a pinko is fun to watch.... 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/road-maggots-cop-it-in-australia/'>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/road-maggots-cop-it-in-australia/</a>

MN5

I live extremely close to Island Bay in the nations sunny, gorgeous, cultural capital. Anyway, the council in their wisdom decided to build a cycleway down the main drag. The ensuing roadworks turned a 10 minute round trip to the Supermarket to get beer ( Island bay New World has a truly outstanding selection of craft beer ) into 45 minutes. Apparently according to Stuff comments this cycleway has "divided a once thriving community" and is a" death trap waiting to happen". I think this is down to perceived blind spots, the only additional danger I can see is if a cross between Stevie Wonder and Michael J Fox decides to get behind the wheel.
 
I guess the point I'm making is that the only things I possibly ( depending on my mood ) hate more than buses ( seriously, Wellington has some of the narrowest fucken roads I've ever seen in the hillside suburbs and seeing buses attempt to navigate them gives me the screaming shits ) are cyclists. Like Nepia I have a ( possibly irrational ) hatred of them and their tubby, lycra clad asses. To a man they are just fucken whiny fluffybunnys who act like thy own the road and get all sanctimonious about how cars leave carbon footprints blah blah blah blah blah......this is tempered somewhat when there is a lycra clad hottie but for every one of those theres 20 blokes/mingas who are probably hydroponic growing, pot smoking fucken greenies anyway.
 
There's just something about how they act, whether it's tangible or not, that makes me want to punch them in the face. Not unlike TPPA protesters really.
 
I'm all for health and fitness but if you wanna cycle get a fucken mountain bike and get off road.
 
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MN5

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Nepias slow evolution from a pinko is fun to watch.... <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/road-maggots-cop-it-in-australia/'>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/02/road-maggots-cop-it-in-australia/</a>
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I know I'm being pedantic but I don't care, they shoulda got Clint, not John Wayne.

Hooroo

"It's a push bike! Get off and push it!"
 
I don't really have issues with cyclists. I do think it is weird when they do stuff that is risky but within their rights. No point being sanctimonious and dead

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="560435" data-time="1456267585">I'm not sure if we already have a rant at cyclist threads and they usually turn in to mini shitfights (but we've got a bunch of Muslim/leftard-rightard threads on the go so one more's not going to matter). Cyclists 2: When you come off the Manly Ferry from upstairs it's generally pretty crowded if you're not at the front so you just move with the crowd. Not this dickhead, jumps on his bike at the top then starts furiously ringing his bell as he weaves in and out of people clipping their bags and just avoiding collisions.</blockquote> I'd have just got in his way. <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Cyclists 3: Walk/cycle tracks are idiotic, I'm always seeing near collisions and the odd collision. Why does a cyclist think that because they're rung a bell the walker is going to know exactly where they're cycling? Imagine if everytime a car driver got near a cyclist they could honk their horn and pass where they want with the expectation that the cyclist would just know where to move???</blockquote> Pedestrians shouldn't move - the cyclist will have determined their path and is only warning you not to do something sudden or stupid. Unfortunately the fat bitches walking four abreast taking up the entire path startle like gazelle and show remarkable alacrity in moving, like someone just announced free donuts... <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Seriously though, what possess people to become complete and utter pricks once they purchase a bicycle?</blockquote> Rest assured they were fluffybunnys beforehand. Here's a great description of road cyclists I read on another forum. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.imgur.com/dcsTxyl.png'><img src="http://i.imgur.com/dcsTxyll.png" alt="dcsTxyll.png"></a>

mariner4life

Cycling is the new golf for the "middle aged" professional. So instead of these arrogant fluffybunnies being hidden away on parks for 5 hours every saturday, they are now taking up the best seats at cafes, looking like tapeworms or cane toads (depending on their build), clogging the footpath with their car-priced bikes. Or they are the ones riding in packs taking up the road, glaring at you if you even think to come within the 1.5m of space they arrogantly assume they are entitled to, even if this means you are mostly in the other lane. They are the new scourge on humanity, and must be stopped at all costs.

MN5

I'm interested if there's a pro cyclist ferner who is gonna dare speak up to oppose the regime we're imposing.
 
Hooroo is showing a bit of tolerance, I'm gonna have a look at his FB page to make sure he's not a closet lycra wearer.

mariner4life

once WTW finds this we're going to cop an earful.

Rancid Schnitzel

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="560435" data-time="1456267585">
I'm not sure if we already have a rant at cyclist threads and they usually turn in to mini shitfights (but we've got a bunch of Muslim/leftard-rightard threads on the go so one more's not going to matter). 
Cyclists 1: As most Sydney residents will know there is a three lane road running from the Harbour bridge to Manly. The inside lane is often open for parking etc. Anyway, we were driving in the middle of the 3 lanes when we caught up with 3 cyclists all wearing light blue Manly named gear - now, 2 of these cyclists were riding within the inside lane while the third was riding just over the white line in the middle lane. He was doing this deliberately because he kept turning round to check that we weren't going to overtake him. Traffic wasn't busy at this stage and there was probably a good 400 metres ahead before there was a blockage on the road (a parked car). So were stuck behind this cyclist until this parked car when we were able to pass on the outer lane. About 200 metres up the road we're on the slope leading down to the Spit Bridge, braking as you do so as to keep under the speed limit, when these 3 cyclists went flying past us, dodging in and out of traffic (one went past our passenger door and the other went past the drivers door, we were still in the middle lane) and then went through a red light to get to the walk/cycle track - it was at the car park near the bridge so they didn't actually have to avoid any left hand side traffic. These are the kind of pricks out riding bikes these days. 
Cyclists 2: When you come off the Manly Ferry from upstairs it's generally pretty crowded if you're not at the front so you just move with the crowd. Not this dickhead, jumps on his bike at the top then starts furiously ringing his bell as he weaves in and out of people clipping their bags and just avoiding collisions. 
Cyclists 3: Walk/cycle tracks are idiotic, I'm always seeing near collisions and the odd collision. Why does a cyclist think that because they're rung a bell the walker is going to know exactly where they're cycling? Imagine if everytime a car driver got near a cyclist they could honk their horn and pass where they want with the expectation that the cyclist would just know where to move??? Bonkers. I do get quite conflicted when a hot female cyclist comes riding past me - I'd imagine it would be similar to Jegga finding himself physically attracted to a Green Party member. 
Seriously though, what possess people to become complete and utter pricks once they purchase a bicycle? 
Now I can't even bother with the Bureaucracy - but, in short, if you advertise you have a service (medicare cards) and you don't have all those services (applying for new medicare cards) then make it clearly known! 
So rant over, but I suspect I would have lost most of you by about the 3rd sentence in the first big paragraph. It is cathartic though.</blockquote>
 
Couldn't agree more Leftard. 
Their wankerish nature crosses national borders and vast oceans. They range from the lycra-clad fat arses who stink out cafÃ©s to the ridiculous tour de France wannabies who think they're entitled to form some kind of farking peloton in the middle of the road. 
What did Hinch say? Cockroaches of the roads? Harsh but accurate.

Hooroo

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I'm interested if there's a pro cyclist ferner who is gonna dare speak up to oppose the regime we're imposing.
 
Hooroo is showing a bit of tolerance, I'm gonna have a look at his FB page to make sure he's not a closet lycra wearer.
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Ha! I can save you time.....
 
I used to own a mountain bike when I lived in Rotorua. I never used it once!

MN5

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Ha! I can save you time.....
 
I used to own a mountain bike when I lived in Rotorua. I never used it once!
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But that's fine, those guys go on tracks off road so as far as I'm concerned they can fill their fucken boots. ( although they also have a bit of an annoying sub culture mentality about them )
 
One of my best mates has been hooked on the cycling thing ironically enough. He is part of a team that race over the weekends, he's an ex mountain runner and finds cycling better on the joints ( he's still a few years younger than me though ). He has all the energy drinks and recovery gels and all that shit, not only that his bike cost about 12 grand, I picked it up and it is light as a fucken feather. To his credit he doesn't, and never would, ride it in traffic but they race on big long roads up Kapiti and the Rapa. Pretty sure he did ride it in town once or twice and got abused, fair enough, with his lycra, helmet and wraparound shades he looks like a real fluffybunny.

Crucial

That's part of the annoyance though (to the pack riders). Most people do their pastimes in specific locations where they won't annoy others. Golfers play on golf courses at great expense because otherwise they would no doubt piss the neighbours off by playing a foursome from letterbox to corner of the street. Rugby is played at parks not in shopping mall carkparks.
Cyclists, however, want to play TdF wannabe games out on narrow hill roads where people are trying to travel to work, shops, sports etc.
That meme with the chick sums things up. 'Share the Road' is a one way thought.

NTA

As an occasional rider - on my MTB with hybrid tyres, I find a few of the MAMIL crowd to be fucking idiots, but a lot of them are OK. I don't road ride because you're asking to die in Western Sydney that way, yet they still do it. So mostly I see the ones using bike paths, with varying levels of fitness.
 
Of the percentage that shit me, the absolute worst are the ones who don't have any lights on their bikes despite riding in zones over 60km/h. Particularly when natural light isn't good. A lot of them are actually in breach of the regulations by not having reflectors or lights in those situations. But they all think they're Cadel Evans so they don't give a fuck, and I particularly hate the ones who road ride abreast in pairs or small groups which is just not fucking warranted; if you're out there for exercise, shut up and pedal!
 
There are new regulations coming that require helmets (or a fine) and require cyclists to carry photo id. There is a LOT of tension about that.

MN5

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As an occasional rider - on my MTB with hybrid tyres, I find a few of the MAMIL crowd to be fucking idiots, but a lot of them are OK. I don't road ride because you're asking to die in Western Sydney that way, yet they still do it. So mostly I see the ones using bike paths, with varying levels of fitness.
 
Of the percentage that shit me, the absolute worst are the ones who don't have any lights on their bikes despite riding in zones over 60km/h. Particularly when natural light isn't good. A lot of them are actually in breach of the regulations by not having reflectors or lights in those situations. But they all think they're Cadel Evans so they don't give a fuck, and I particularly hate the ones who road ride abreast in pairs or small groups which is just not fucking warranted; if you're out there for exercise, shut up and pedal!
 
There are new regulations coming that require helmets (or a fine) and require cyclists to carry photo id. There is a LOT of tension about that.
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A couple of Oz mates have shared that on FB. Why the tension ? it's still a fucken vehicle on the road granted it's far less likely to kill you than a car.

Hooroo

"Let those who ride, decide!"

antipodean

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But that's fine, those guys go on tracks off road so as far as I'm concerned they can fill their fucken boots. ( although they also have a bit of an annoying sub culture mentality about them )
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There are new regulations coming that require helmets (or a fine) and require cyclists to carry photo id. There is a LOT of tension about that.
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 So there should be; they're stupid. 
This is how I finished Capital Punishment a few years ago: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.imgur.com/7u1INqy.jpg'><img src="http://i.imgur.com/7u1INqyl.jpg" alt="7u1INqyl.jpg"></a>

MajorRage

Cyclists can afford to be sanctimonious because frankly, they are in the right.
 
I wonder what percentage of car commuters could do the same commute on a bike (and thus increasing their fitness, reducing use of fossil fuels, reducing pollution levels, reducing future leniance on tax payers due to not being a fat fluffybunny) in a similar / shorter amount of time if there was equivalent infrastructure available for bikes as there is for cars.
 
Oh that's right there is - it's called THE ROAD. People get so much more infuriated by cylicsts than they do by poor/arrogant/aggressive drivers and I've never understood why. Nepia, would you have posted the above if it was done by some guy on a scooter, or in a Mini? You and I both know you wouldn't have.
 
Times they are a changing kids, either change with, or be caught in the past, permanently. Realistically, half of the roads you see are likely to be designated to non-fossil fuel modes of transports within a generation.

Hooroo

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I wonder what percentage of car commuters could do the same commute on a bike (and thus increasing their fitness, reducing use of fossil fuels, reducing pollution levels, reducing future leniance on tax payers due to not being a fat XXXX) in a similar / shorter amount of time if there was equivalent infrastructure available for bikes as there is for cars.
 
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I would think more fit people drive than don't drive each day.... nitpicking. Thinking about the building I am currently working in, I am the only overweight unfit one, yet we all drive.

Hooroo

I have no problem with environmentally freindly forms of transport but these roads were diesgned and built for fossil gobbling cars and not 15-30kph hippy movers!

MN5

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Cyclists can afford to be sanctimonious because frankly, they are in the right.
 
I wonder what percentage of car commuters could do the same commute on a bike (and thus increasing their fitness, reducing use of fossil fuels, reducing pollution levels, reducing future leniance on tax payers due to not being a fat fluffybunny) in a similar / shorter amount of time if there was equivalent infrastructure available for bikes as there is for cars.
 
Oh that's right there is - it's called THE ROAD. People get so much more infuriated by cylicsts than they do by poor/arrogant/aggressive drivers and I've never understood why. Nepia, would you have posted the above if it was done by some guy on a scooter, or in a Mini? You and I both know you wouldn't have.
 
Times they are a changing kids, either change with, or be caught in the past, permanently. Realistically, half of the roads you see are likely to be designated to non-fossil fuel modes of transports within a generation.
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I certainly don't buy the whole "if you don't cycle you're a walking heart attack fat fluffybunny" argument. There's plenty of options for people wanting to stay in shape and diet is more of an issue than sedentary lifestyles.

MajorRage

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I would think more fit people drive than don't drive each day.... nitpicking. Thinking about the building I am currently working in, I am the only overweight unfit one, yet we all drive.
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Fit because they sacrifice an hour of their time each day outside work/commuting/kids etc. Imagine what they could do with all their free time!
 
 
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I have no problem with environmentally freindly forms of transport but these roads were diesgned and built for fossil gobbling cars and not 15-30kph hippy movers!
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When commuting Rotorua to Matamata ... yes of course. But when commuting Remuera to Parnell (or Sydney city to Manly), I'm not so sure!

MajorRage

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I certainly don't buy the whole "if you don't cycle you're a walking heart attack fat fluffybunny" argument. There's plenty of options for people wanting to stay in shape and diet is more of an issue than sedentary lifestyles.
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I don't think a single cyclist or person ever said that. You can of course be fat and a cyclist, as well being skinny and not being a cyclist.
 
From a fitness perspective though, its a pretty tough argument that sitting in a car is better for you than riding on a bike.

booboo

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once WTW finds this we're going to cop an earful.</blockquote>
 
Luigi not been here for a bit either

Hooroo

I'm just being silly.
 
I hear what you are saying but just think that being sanctimonious and dead to prove a ploint isn't worth it.
 
I nearly cleaned up some cyclists on the hills to Kawerau. Their protests fell on deaf ears as I thought they were morons for being on tha bit of tight winding road in the morning. I'm not going to drive at 25kph hoping that there isn't a cyclist round the corner.

MN5

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I don't think a single cyclist or person ever said that. You can of course be fat and a cyclist, as well being skinny and not being a cyclist.
 
From a fitness perspective though, its a pretty tough argument that sitting in a car is better for you than riding on a bike.
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You said it yourself, read what you actually wrote.
 
You're right, aside from a brief period of doing stomach vacuums behind the wheel I really haven't gotten that fit during driving, flipside of that is that I do other things to stay in shape and none of them involve a bike. That's my prerogative.....
 
The point I'm making along with others is the behaviour of a huge number of cyclists that makes us strongly dislike them. For right or wrong they have no leeway when it comes to bad behaviour on the road, I was driving back from the Hutt last week and two dickhead cyclists were going side by side, the right one seriously encroaching on the lane that is designed for vehicles going 100kph. I would have yelled at them but the driver in front of me beat me to it.

MajorRage

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You said it yourself, read what you actually wrote.
 
You're right, aside from a brief period of doing stomach vacuums behind the wheel I really haven't gotten that fit during driving, flipside of that is that I do other things to stay in shape and none of them involve a bike. That's my prerogative.....
 
The point I'm making along with others is the behaviour of a huge number of cyclists that makes us strongly dislike them. For right or wrong they have no leeway when it comes to bad behaviour on the road, I was driving back from the Hutt last week and two dickhead cyclists were going side by side, the right one seriously encroaching on the lane that is designed for vehicles going 100kph. I would have yelled at them but the driver in front of me beat me to it.
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Ha, your right! I guess I did. Although I guess was going all Gus Gould and using a bit of hyperbole to make a point...
 
There are dickhead cyclists around for sure who give all a bad name. But there are also good ones. Just like everything else in life.

MN5

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Ha, your right! I guess I did. Although I guess was going all Gus Gould and using a bit of hyperbole to make a point...
 
There are dickhead cyclists around for sure who give all a bad name. But there are also good ones. Just like everything else in life.
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I hear ya but as we've all alluded to there is, rightly or wrongly, a real hatred of them so something pretty minor from a car driver pretty much starts WW3 if a cyclist does it.

antipodean

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I was driving back from the Hutt last week and two dickhead cyclists were going side by side
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That's perfectly legal over here and as a cyclist on the road, you want to dominate the lane. Otherwise fuckwits in two tonnes of metal think they can push past.
 
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I nearly cleaned up some cyclists on the hills to Kawerau. Their protests fell on deaf ears as I thought they were morons for being on tha bit of tight winding road in the morning. I'm not going to drive at 25kph hoping that there isn't a cyclist round the corner.
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True, but then riding a motorcycle between Khancoban and Thredbo is the same - you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see regardless of how much fun it should be because people towing campervans are as slow.

MN5

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That's perfectly legal over here and as a cyclist on the road, you want to dominate the lane. Otherwise fuckwits in two tonnes of metal think they can push past.
 
 
True, but then riding a motorcycle between Khancoban and Thredbo is the same - you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see regardless of how much fun it should be because people towing campervans are as slow.
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Yeah but he was over on the left lane of the road at one stage. Delayed my trip by a good few seconds......

Hooroo

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True, but then riding a motorcycle between Khancoban and Thredbo is the same - you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see regardless of how much fun it should be because people towing campervans are as slow.
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I don't get your point?

Rancid Schnitzel

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Cyclists can afford to be sanctimonious because frankly, they are in the right.
 
I wonder what percentage of car commuters could do the same commute on a bike (and thus increasing their fitness, reducing use of fossil fuels, reducing pollution levels, reducing future leniance on tax payers due to not being a fat fluffybunny) in a similar / shorter amount of time if there was equivalent infrastructure available for bikes as there is for cars.
 
Oh that's right there is - it's called THE ROAD. People get so much more infuriated by cylicsts than they do by poor/arrogant/aggressive drivers and I've never understood why. Nepia, would you have posted the above if it was done by some guy on a scooter, or in a Mini? You and I both know you wouldn't have.
 
Times they are a changing kids, either change with, or be caught in the past, permanently. Realistically, half of the roads you see are likely to be designated to non-fossil fuel modes of transports within a generation.
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Ah FFS. Did any of Nepia's examples even involve people commuting to work? As to that last paragraph. That's a pisstake surely?

NTA

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I don't get your point?
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He's saying if you're on a tight, winding road - regardless of what vehicle you're in - you need to take appropriate precautions. 
 
You may know the road like the back of your hand* but if its not a bike, it might be a truck, an animal, another accident etc around that bend, not just a cyclist.
 
 
 
 
* Who the fuck studies the back of their hand?

antipodean

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I don't get your point?
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That the speed of the road is unfortunately not dictated by what you can do.

Hooroo

OK, I get what you mean. It's kind of irrelevant though as I am only travelling along with the rest of teh traffic on the road, not tearing it up. I'm not going to beat myself up if I clean up some cyclists that are in the middle of the road going up hill and I am doing a non aggressive 50 odd + k's an hour.

NTA

Dunno about that - if they're clowning around you'd beep the shit out of them etc.
 
You wouldn't clean up some old granny in a Torana, would you? :)

Hooroo

I'd not clean up any on purpose, I mean if I cleaned them up I would be thinking they were foolish, not me

Nepia

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How come in scenario one you just didn't overtake in the third lane before the parked car?
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I don't tend to enjoy driving into other moving vehicles. ;)
 
 
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Cyclists can afford to be sanctimonious because frankly, they are in the right.
 
I wonder what percentage of car commuters could do the same commute on a bike (and thus increasing their fitness, reducing use of fossil fuels, reducing pollution levels, reducing future leniance on tax payers due to not being a fat fluffybunny) in a similar / shorter amount of time if there was equivalent infrastructure available for bikes as there is for cars.
 
Oh that's right there is - it's called THE ROAD. People get so much more infuriated by cylicsts than they do by poor/arrogant/aggressive drivers and I've never understood why. Nepia, would you have posted the above if it was done by some guy on a scooter, or in a Mini? You and I both know you wouldn't have.
 
Times they are a changing kids, either change with, or be caught in the past, permanently. Realistically, half of the roads you see are likely to be designated to non-fossil fuel modes of transports within a generation.
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Firstly, since this a rant thread then fair enough with your rant, but it didn't address any of my rant really. If drivers of a scooter or a Mini were being dicks (blocking a lane for no good reason, driving off a ferry Goodbye Pork Pie style) then of course I'd get pissed off. You're acting like no one gets pissed off with crappy driving.
 
Also, in the first occasion I mentioned they weren't commuters and in the second one the non cyclists are walking.
 
So in a generation everyone will be pricks ....

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I don't tend to enjoy driving into other moving vehicles. ;)
 
 
Firstly, since this a rant thread then fair enough with your rant, but it didn't address any of my rant really. If drivers of a scooter or a Mini were being dicks (blocking a lane for no good reason, driving off a ferry Goodbye Pork Pie style) then of course I'd get pissed off. You're acting like no one gets pissed off with crappy driving.
 
Also, in the first occasion I mentioned they weren't commuters and in the second one the non cyclists are walking.
 
So in a generation everyone will be pricks ....
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I think that generation has already started to be honest ...
 
I'm not saying you wouldn't get pissed off about it, I'm saying you wouldn't get so pissed off that you'd feel the need to do a TSF rant!

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