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    It's here! ... Team of the Year

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    • booboo
      booboo last edited by booboo

      Watch this space.

      It's back!

      Again!

      After @Duluth 's successful resurrection of the TSF TOTY last year, and now I've paid my penance for messing up the polls a few years ago (looks like it was 2016), we're about to launch the 2021 TSF TOTY! The authoritative, prestigious and only truly correct judgement of the best XV rugby players on the planet this calendar year.

      Nomination threads are being built as I type (well not really, will actually start sometime after I've finished typing this). The collective wisdom of the TSF community will be called upon to propose who they believe was the best player in each position, or at least who was worthy of consideration, with reasons why.

      Debate is encouraged at this stage as we will take the pros and cons and present them in the poll threads which should be up sometime around New Year. But please be clear if you are nominating, and please be specific as to why.

      Am expecting a diverse XV in a year where the All Blacks were less than dominant.

      The rules as they currently stand:

      1. Nominee must have played at least one Test Match.
      2. Form in all levels of rugby is admissible as evidence, but please refer 1.
      3. Nominees must be backed with some decent reasoning.
      4. I will make up all other rules as we go along.
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      • Victor Meldrew
        Victor Meldrew last edited by

        Whatever you do, just don't make the coaching staff part of the team.

        Another bout of Foster v Jesus Crobinson would finish me off..

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        • booboo
          booboo @Victor Meldrew last edited by

          @victor-meldrew said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

          Whatever you do, just don't make the coaching staff part of the team.

          Another bout of Foster v Jesus Crobinson would finish me off..

          Robinson not eligible. 🙂

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          • Duluth
            Duluth @booboo last edited by

            @booboo said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

            After @Duluth 's successful resurrection of the TSF TOTY last year

            I think that was someone else

            I assume players will only be eligible for one position? How is that position deiced? Executive decision from Booboo, Test mins played, some other method?

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            • Victor Meldrew
              Victor Meldrew last edited by Victor Meldrew

              For me there's only three nailed-on selections from NZ

              15 Jordie Barrett - playing in his right position at last, he's been a revelation. World class
              13 ALB - has he ever had a bad game in Black? Conrad-like consistency
              9. Nugget - Up there with Carter and McCaw for me

              Too pissed tonight to think of other countries

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              • booboo
                booboo @Duluth last edited by

                @duluth said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                @booboo said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                After @Duluth 's successful resurrection of the TSF TOTY last year

                I think that was someone else

                I assume players will only be eligible for one position? How is that position deiced? Executive decision from Booboo, Test mins played, some other method?

                Actually I did think of that and forgot to post it, and I'm comfortable accepting nominations for multiple positions.

                Probably only affects loosies and mid-field, and shouldn't any overall position winners (unless the Hurricanes fans spam the polls).

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                • booboo
                  booboo @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                  @victor-meldrew said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                  For me there's only three nailed-on selections from NZ

                  15 Jordie Barrett - playing in his right position at last, he's been a revelation. World class
                  13 ALB - has he ever had a bad game in Black? Conrad-like consistency
                  9. Nugget - Up there with Carter and McCaw for me

                  Too pissed tonight to think of other countries

                  Remember them for the nomination threads.

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                    delicatessen last edited by

                    So coaches have to have played a test match?

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                    • booboo
                      booboo @delicatessen last edited by

                      @delicatessen said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                      So coaches have to have played a test match?

                      Coached a test match team. See rule 4.

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                      • No Quarter
                        No Quarter last edited by

                        I would struggle with nominations as I only really watched the ABs this year and only a couple of them deserve nominations, and that's being generous.

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                        • mariner4life
                          mariner4life @No Quarter last edited by

                          @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                          I would struggle with nominations as I only really watched the ABs this year and only a couple of them deserve nominations, and that's being generous.

                          dude this whole thing is just going to be guys who played well against us, and maybe a couple of token aussies and saffers if people watched the rest of the RC. Expect a bunch of French and Irish players.

                          Does anyone even remember the 6N?

                          And before anyone kicks off, i am including myself in that. I mean, i watched the England v Aus game and it was dogshit so i couldn't tell you who played well.

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                          • voodoo
                            voodoo @mariner4life last edited by

                            @mariner4life conversely, I watched all of France v Australia series, and enjoyed it immensely - but still can't really remember who played well cos I have a memory like a sieve

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                            • No Quarter
                              No Quarter last edited by

                              I know some of the Frenchies played well but fuck knows what their names are

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                              • mariner4life
                                mariner4life @No Quarter last edited by

                                @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                I know some of the Frenchies played well but fuck knows what their names are

                                yeah, the 7 was really good, so was the 8, and i am pretty sure one of the midfield. couldn't tell you anything else about them, or if i even saw them again.

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                                • No Quarter
                                  No Quarter @mariner4life last edited by

                                  @mariner4life said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                  @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                  I would struggle with nominations as I only really watched the ABs this year and only a couple of them deserve nominations, and that's being generous.

                                  dude this whole thing is just going to be guys who played well against us, and maybe a couple of token aussies and saffers if people watched the rest of the RC. Expect a bunch of French and Irish players.

                                  Does anyone even remember the 6N?

                                  And before anyone kicks off, i am including myself in that. I mean, i watched the England v Aus game and it was dogshit so i couldn't tell you who played well.

                                  True, the problem is we normally dominate all and sundry, so just watching the ABs and no-one else isn't a problem as it's clear we are the best team so deserve at least 14 out of 15 players in the team of the year. Outside of Aaron Smith and maybe Jordie I just can't make a strong argument for any of our players based on this years form.

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                                  • Duluth
                                    Duluth @mariner4life last edited by Duluth

                                    @mariner4life said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                    dude this whole thing is just going to be guys who played well against us, and maybe a couple of token aussies and saffers if people watched the rest of the RC. Expect a bunch of French and Irish players.
                                    Does anyone even remember the 6N?
                                    And before anyone kicks off, i am including myself in that. I mean, i watched the England v Aus game and it was dogshit so i couldn't tell you who played well.

                                    I don't think we did a team last year. Apparently I ran the polls in 2019. Here's a link to the results https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3662/tsf-team-of-the-year


                                    Remember the old M4L before he got beaten down by covid?

                                    @mariner4life said in TSF Team of the Year 2019:

                                    i think we got it pretty right!!

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                                    • mariner4life
                                      mariner4life @Duluth last edited by

                                      @duluth said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                      @mariner4life said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                      dude this whole thing is just going to be guys who played well against us, and maybe a couple of token aussies and saffers if people watched the rest of the RC. Expect a bunch of French and Irish players.
                                      Does anyone even remember the 6N?
                                      And before anyone kicks off, i am including myself in that. I mean, i watched the England v Aus game and it was dogshit so i couldn't tell you who played well.

                                      I don't think we did a team last year. Apparently I ran the polls in 2019. Here's a link to the results https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3662/tsf-team-of-the-year


                                      Remember the old M4L before he got beaten down by covid?

                                      @mariner4life said in TSF Team of the Year 2019:

                                      i think we got it pretty right!!

                                      i miss that guy

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                                      • Chris B.
                                        Chris B. @No Quarter last edited by

                                        @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                        @mariner4life said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                        @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                        I would struggle with nominations as I only really watched the ABs this year and only a couple of them deserve nominations, and that's being generous.

                                        dude this whole thing is just going to be guys who played well against us, and maybe a couple of token aussies and saffers if people watched the rest of the RC. Expect a bunch of French and Irish players.

                                        Does anyone even remember the 6N?

                                        And before anyone kicks off, i am including myself in that. I mean, i watched the England v Aus game and it was dogshit so i couldn't tell you who played well.

                                        True, the problem is we normally dominate all and sundry, so just watching the ABs and no-one else isn't a problem as it's clear we are the best team so deserve at least 14 out of 15 players in the team of the year. Outside of Aaron Smith and maybe Jordie I just can't make a strong argument for any of our players based on this years form.

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                                        • No Quarter
                                          No Quarter last edited by

                                          @Chris-B oh yeah I forgot that tinny bastard

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                                          • Chris B.
                                            Chris B. @No Quarter last edited by Chris B.

                                            @no-quarter To be honest, the only people who still think Jordan is tinny are people who haven't been paying attention.

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                                            • voodoo
                                              voodoo last edited by

                                              Great work @booboo

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                                              • No Quarter
                                                No Quarter last edited by

                                                @Chris-B Beauden is also a tinny bastard. Shit just seems to happen for him. I'm actually a big fan of Jordan so happy to see him getting regular game time, he's the kind of guy that can break open a tight test.

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                                                • booboo
                                                  booboo @No Quarter last edited by

                                                  @no-quarter said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                                  @Chris-B Beauden is also a tinny bastard. Shit just seems to happen for him. I'm actually a big fan of Jordan so happy to see him getting regular game time, he's the kind of guy that can break open a tight test.

                                                  Not a nomination but Reece similarly seems to get more than his share of lucky bounces. Some players make stuff happen. It's not (just) luck.

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                                                  • Chris B.
                                                    Chris B. @No Quarter last edited by Chris B.

                                                    @no-quarter Yeah - but, these things don't happen by chance - for Will or Beaudy - I'd add Reiko to that list.

                                                    Extreme pace, decent size, skills - putting yourself in the right position.

                                                    Jordan's had "tinny" applied to him far too much - this year and last.

                                                    Already one of the best attacking wings we've had - ever.

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                                                      delicatessen @Chris B. last edited by

                                                      @chris-b a lot of the time when Jordan gets his 'tinny' bounces, he's odds on to make something happen even with a bad bounce. Just really good a spotting and using space.

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                                                      • Chris B.
                                                        Chris B. @delicatessen last edited by

                                                        @delicatessen Yeah - he puts himself in position to make things happen and when they do, he's got the speed and skills to capitalize. No surprise he's close to the top of most recent try-scoring charts.

                                                        I looked at a couple of highlights reels of Loius Rees-Zammitt when they were nominated for breakthrough player - and they're basically the same player.

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                                                        • No Quarter
                                                          No Quarter last edited by

                                                          @Chris-B yeah, my comment was mostly tounge in cheek, the same comments get directed at Beauden hence the comparison. People talk alot about Beauden not being a traditional 10, but not many acknowledge how many tests that were actually closely contested in the forwards have been blown apart by him creating something out of nothing.

                                                          Jordan is the closest thing we've had to Cully, the tries he scores are freakish in nature, he'll be an absolute asset to us over the next 5 - 10 years.

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                                                          • Chris
                                                            Chris @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                            @victor-meldrew said in It's coming! ... Team of the Year:

                                                            Whatever you do, just don't make the coaching staff part of the team.

                                                            Another bout of Foster v Jesus Crobinson would finish me off..

                                                            Buddha not Foster same shape.And Buddha knows how to coach Rugby just as well.

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                                                            • booboo
                                                              booboo last edited by

                                                              A reminder that nominations and arguments are still open.

                                                              Go here:
                                                              https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/category/51/team-of-the-year
                                                              for the nomination threads.

                                                              Will remain open for a week or so.

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                                                              • MiketheSnow
                                                                MiketheSnow last edited by MiketheSnow

                                                                L’Equipe 2021 rugby team of the year:

                                                                1. Jordie Barrett (New Zealand), 14. Will Jordan (New Zealand), 13. Rieko Ioane (New Zealand), 12. Lukhanyo Am (South Africa), 11. Louis Rees-Zammit (Wales), 10. Romain Ntamack (France), 9. Antoine Dupont (France)

                                                                1 Cyril Baille (France), 2. Julien Marchand (France), 3. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), 4. Maro Itoje (England), 5. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 6. Siya Kolisi (South Africa), 7. Michael Hooper (Australia), 8. Ardie Savea (New Zealand).

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                                                                • booboo
                                                                  booboo @MiketheSnow last edited by booboo

                                                                  @mikethesnow said in It's here! ... Team of the Year:

                                                                  L’Equipe 2021 rugby team of the year:

                                                                  1. Jordie Barrett (New Zealand), 14. Will Jordan (New Zealand), 13. Rieko Ioane (New Zealand), 12. Lukhanyo Am (South Africa), 11. Louis Rees-Zammit (Wales), 10. Romain Ntamack (France), 9. Antoine Dupont (France)

                                                                  1 Cyril Baille (France), 2. Julien Marchand (France), 3. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), 4. Maro Itoje (England), 5. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 6. Siya Kolisi (South Africa), 7. Michael Hooper (Australia), 8. Ardie Savea (New Zealand).

                                                                  Firstly, they can't name a team in order, so they're full of shit. Then they name a 13 at 12. Dickheads.

                                                                  And I'll admit my ignorance about their nominated 2.

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                                                                  • Machpants
                                                                    Machpants last edited by

                                                                    Replace Hog with Jordie (hog was nowhere near as good when put under pressure, jordie thrived this year), and not sure about Lawes - I'd go Siya in 6, loopy hooper in 7.

                                                                    Best attempt I've seen in the press

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                                                                    • booboo
                                                                      booboo last edited by booboo

                                                                      One last reminder for nominations.

                                                                      Polls to be set up in a day or so.

                                                                      https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/category/51/team-of-the-year

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                                                                      • booboo
                                                                        booboo last edited by

                                                                        Hi Folks - you'll see the polls appearing shortly. Have a couple up (LHP & Hooker) remaining ones hopefully today.

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                                                                        • No Quarter
                                                                          No Quarter last edited by

                                                                          Thanks @booboo, appreciate the effort you put in to make this happen

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                                                                          • booboo
                                                                            booboo last edited by Duluth

                                                                            FYI. Polls are live here:
                                                                            https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/category/51/team-of-the-year

                                                                            Except for 11 Karl Marx (because I skipped from 1st 5/8 to 2nd 5/8 and forgot 11 is quite out of order), and 16 Coach (coz I have to edit some stuff). Will fix them up and add in the a.m. Straya time.

                                                                            So as they say in the best democracies: Vote early, vote often.

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                                                                            • booboo
                                                                              booboo last edited by booboo

                                                                              Oh, BTW. Polls are open until 12:00 on 16 January 2022. Not sure what timezone that is but no doubt we'll find out.

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                                                                              • booboo
                                                                                booboo last edited by

                                                                                Hi again folks. Sorted out the Coach and Karl Marx so all is in readiness. Please vote. Polls close tomorrow week. At 12:00 ... somewhere in the world...

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                                                                                • Machpants
                                                                                  Machpants last edited by

                                                                                  Squidge back 3

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                                                                                  • voodoo
                                                                                    voodoo last edited by

                                                                                    @booboo awesome effort putting that together mate, looked a lot of work

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