Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022
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As expected...
Black Caps squad: Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, Daryl Mitchell, Tom Blundell, Rachin Ravindra, Kyle Jamieson, Matt Henry, Tim Southee, Neil Wagner, Trent Boult.
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I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...
Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.
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@mn5 Can they go outside the squad if there is an injury? Or are they restricted to the initial selection to make it a level playing field?
If the squad is the squad then it sort of makes sense. Otherwise....
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...
Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.
I feel like Henry really shows how far the black caps have come. He's a genuine spearhead at first class level, tearing it up. But for whatever reason in hasn't clicked at test level. 10 years ago he'd still be starting tests and we'd be talking ourselves into believing that he can make it as a test bowler. Now he's a depth piece who is probably adding value by showing up and comers the level they need to beat and keeping pressure on the starters.
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
I would have kept Ajaz in the squad ahead of Matt Henry on sheer principle after that 10 wicket haul, while acknowledging it would make him no more likely to play on a green seamer...
Henry is a waste of a selection. He’ll only play if one of the other seamers is injured. A really ordinary record reminiscent of some of our seamers in the 90s too.
Isn't that literally why he is selected in the squad?
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Cricket: Devon Conway to return as part of New Zealand XI to face Bangladesh | Newshub
The 30-year-old hasn't played since breaking his hand in the T20 World Cup semi-final.
Conway and Wagner are slated to play in a two-day warm up against Bangladesh - assuming the conditions are favourable to Wagner's style of bowling, otherwise he may be carrying the drinks.
Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.
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Ma'ara Ave one of the few players of Pacifika heritage in first class cricket. Full name Mea Tangi Me Ma'ara Joshua Ave. Cook Islands Heritage through his Paternal Grandfather.
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@rotated. Keen to see how young Tim Pringle goes. Have watched him a bit in juniors.
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Cricket: Devon Conway to return as part of New Zealand XI to face Bangladesh | Newshub
The 30-year-old hasn't played since breaking his hand in the T20 World Cup semi-final.
Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.
Are these guys any good? Anyone seen them play? I see Cumming is only 18 so he must be handy to.be getting a run at that age.
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@crazy-horse said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Cricket: Devon Conway to return as part of New Zealand XI to face Bangladesh | Newshub
The 30-year-old hasn't played since breaking his hand in the T20 World Cup semi-final.
Pringle Jr and Cumming Jr are also in the squad.
Are these guys any good? Anyone seen them play? I see Cumming is only 18 so he must be handy to.be getting a run at that age.
Lets’s hope they’re more Tom Latham than Hamish Rutherford….
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Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.
Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.
Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.
Probably needed to take all 20 wickets in the match to get a shot
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
Looks like spinners had a field day in that game.
Same venue as first test, for the squad Ajaz didnt even make the 13. Hmmm.
Yes- it was real food for thought. They may have erred badly in omitting Patel from the squad. Mind you, it was probably the worst of the 8 or so strips on the oval.
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Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?
This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
from 2019, bur relevant. Our pitches don't favour spinners. It's a four pronged pace attack for mine
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?
This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
Probably the most sensible cricket post I’ve ever read and nice analogy.
Ajaz will be forgotten when the four seamers are tearing through the bangies.
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@nzzp said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
from 2019, bur relevant. Our pitches don't favour spinners. It's a four pronged pace attack for mine
They don’t favour them but some have been extremely poor too
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@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?
This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
I think you've made a strawman for yourself.
It's a 13, not an 11.
I wouldn't pick Patel in a home 11 with the current resources we have and the type of pitches we produce.
But a 13 should give some options for unexpected pitch conditions or last minute injury.
Patel would actually cover for all 4 bowlers in the squad (as Jamieson and Wagner can slide up one spot if an opener pulls out). Where as Henry only covers the 2 opening bowlers. His record as 3rd seamer or lower is appalling.
So, IMO, Patel would be a better squad inclusion.
But. I do actually hope Southee gets rested for 1 match and Henry gets a game this series, as opening bowler.
Patel will be OK getting some actual games for CD after his Auckland lockdown spring.
The 4 seamers plus Ravindra balance is heading towards the on-paper holy grail balance. So, they'll play Mitchell ....
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Beccause Mt Maunganui , and Hamilton, is one of the few modern venues in NZ where picking a spinner can be worth while.
But, they have groundsmen in their pockets these days. So no dramas.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?
This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
I think you've made a strawman for yourself.
It's a 13, not an 11.
I wouldn't pick Patel in a home 11 with the current resources we have and the type of pitches we produce.
But a 13 should give some options for unexpected pitch conditions or last minute injury.
Patel would actually cover for all 4 bowlers in the squad (as Jamieson and Wagner can slide up one spot if an opener pulls out). Where as Henry only covers the 2 opening bowlers. His record as 3rd seamer or lower is appalling.
So, IMO, Patel would be a better squad inclusion.
The issue is more they want to pick Ravindra regardless because of balance and potential. So if Patel were to replace one of the seamers you all of a sudden have a 3 pace / 2 spin attack. If he replaces Ravindra we have too long a tail.
If Patel is required to seriously contribute on NZ pitches against the Bangles as a fourth bowler we are well on our way to losing the test.
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@rotated said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rotated said in NZ cricket 2021:
Those with the violins out which of Southee, Wagner, Boult or Jamieson are we dropping here? Wouldn't it be just as unfair to drop one of those after the WTC and ascension to the Number 1 ranking?
This Ajaz Patel thing kind of needs to go the way of 2MP making dual tons in his final test. A memorable moment for NZ cricket but let's use our brains here.
If we need Ajaz to take 10 wickets in 47 overs against the Bangles at home then we are in serious trouble.
I think you've made a strawman for yourself.
It's a 13, not an 11.
I wouldn't pick Patel in a home 11 with the current resources we have and the type of pitches we produce.
But a 13 should give some options for unexpected pitch conditions or last minute injury.
Patel would actually cover for all 4 bowlers in the squad (as Jamieson and Wagner can slide up one spot if an opener pulls out). Where as Henry only covers the 2 opening bowlers. His record as 3rd seamer or lower is appalling.
So, IMO, Patel would be a better squad inclusion.
The issue is more they want to pick Ravindra regardless because of balance and potential. So if Patel were to replace one of the seamers you all of a sudden have a 3 pace / 2 spin attack. If he replaces Ravindra we have too long a tail.
If Patel is required to seriously contribute on NZ pitches against the Bangles as a fourth bowler we are well on our way to losing the test.
Bangladesh have some good players but they shouldn’t come close to troubling us at home even with the great KW not playing. Big interest to me is how Conway and Young continue to develop at this level, also how Rossco goes as he counts the days to retirement and if Nicholls proves he’s more than a flat track bully ( although he’s on a hiding to nothing here ). Whatever happens the four seamers should plow through them reasonably comfortably.
Bored of seeing them tour here YET AGAIN though, they’re here every fucken summer !
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World champions New Zealand look for big start to home summer against brittle Bangladesh
The visitors don't have Shakib and Tamim; the hosts are missing Williamson, but have been boosted by the return of Boult and Conway
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Bangladesh win the toss and will bowl
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Looking at the pitch report I couldn't tell which was the pitch being used and which are on the block.
Normally the greenness of NZ pitches are an illusion.
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Young to open and Conway to bat at 3.
That's very interesting - the way of the future?
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Live I thought out.
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@damo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Live I thought out.
Live I thought hit outside the line.
Lucky I was righter than you.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@damo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Live I thought out.
Live I thought hit outside the line.
Lucky I was righter than you.
Actually I think it was a draw.
You'd be grumpy to be given out with 2 umpires calls though.
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Yay runs.
6 off 9 overs.
Bangles bowl well so far
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Did the black caps get on the piss last night? Very sluggish start
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Young went at hard at that delivery. Lucky to survive
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@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Did the black caps get on the piss last night? Very sluggish start
Maybe they don't want to win inside 3 days? 😉
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@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Did the black caps get on the piss last night? Very sluggish start
Not too bad. First 10 overs was tough. 8-1 off 10 overs. Now 56-1 off 22 overs. Last 12 overs have been 4 an over.
Bangles over rate is pretty bad.
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66 for 1 at lunch.
Would suggest we slightly ahead given they won the toss.
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After watching the Ashes seeing Conway and Young dig in like that for the first ten overs against some quality bowling was enjoyable.
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@rotated
Technique will always trump so called glamour -
Young having a lucky day 2 lives already.
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There is something magnificent about Conway isn't there? He looks in so much control when he's batting.
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Young lost concentration there. Very slow to turn around.
