Ross Taylor retires
-
-
@tim Rossco probably timing it nicely in this innings!
-
@tim said in NZ cricket 2021:
Thank you Roscoe, you go with our best wishes.
Hope you knock up (at least) one more test ton before you go.
-
One of my all time favourite Black Caps. Stepping down after the WTC would have been pretty sweet, but retiring at home in front of family and friends make sense. One of NZs best ever, what a legend, after getting it done against the worlds best (that 290 in Aus was insane), it'd be awesome for him to bow out with a ton against the Bangles.
-
@no-quarter One of his greatest contributions (along with several others in this generation) is that when we pick a Best Ever Black Caps XI, we don't have to include a few guys who were pretty ordinary in the international scheme of things (or so old no-one has seen them play).
-
@chris-b Excuse me, I saw Glen Turner and Bruce Taylor both playing live so that in itself does not see them fall into the "or so old no-one has seen them play" category thus they are declared as eligible for selection! Similarly Gren and Jack Alabaster and to a lesser extent Geoff Howarth both also seen play live by myself, the former pair obviously well past his best by then.
-
I sincerely hope this is on his terms as he had expressed a desire to make the next CWC - but between COVID, MIQ, the WTC win and the kids growing up it is entirely possible the desire and the eye is waning.
Incredible batsman, underrated captain (he and Coney are the only skippers to win in Australia), dreadful runner between wickets. He deserves a knighthood for how he handled the 2012 captaincy issue (regardless of what side of the fence you were on)
-
@higgins said in NZ cricket 2021:
@chris-b Excuse me, I saw Glen Turner and Bruce Taylor both playing live so that in itself does not see them fall into the "or so old no-one has seen them play" category thus they are declared as eligible for selection! Similarly Gren and Jack Alabaster and to a lesser extent Geoff Howarth both also seen play live by myself, the former pair obviously well past his best by then.
I saw Glen playing live as well. Can't remember seeing Bruce Taylor, but I may have.
I was thinking of Stewie Dempster, Jack Cowie and Martin Donnelly!
-
@chris-b said in NZ cricket 2021:
@no-quarter One of his greatest contributions (along with several others in this generation) is that when we pick a Best Ever Black Caps XI, we don't have to include a few guys who were pretty ordinary in the international scheme of things (or so old no-one has seen them play).
Was a big shift from his early test career too.
-
@godder said in NZ cricket 2021:
@chris-b said in NZ cricket 2021:
@no-quarter One of his greatest contributions (along with several others in this generation) is that when we pick a Best Ever Black Caps XI, we don't have to include a few guys who were pretty ordinary in the international scheme of things (or so old no-one has seen them play).
Was a big shift from his early test career too.
Weird time to be blooded in his first 4 year cycle he had Braces, Moles, Vettori, Greatbatch and Wright as coach, we didn't know if McCullum was a test opener, top order or lower order player and no openers.
-
-
Watching him when he first hit the scene you would think T20 would be his strongest format as a slogger that just relied on talent and a good eye, but he worked insanely hard to curb his natural aggression and became an absolute run machine in the longer formats.
-
@no-quarter said in NZ cricket 2021:
Watching him when he first hit the scene you would think T20 would be his strongest format as a slogger that just relied on talent and a good eye, but he worked insanely hard to curb his natural aggression and became an absolute run machine in the longer formats.
It's interesting that, because a similar player coming through the grades currently would probably be even more firmly pegged as a limited overs player. It may be that the modern equivalent has no desire to play test cricket, but the likes of a Finn Allen could well be excellent at third drop if the time was invested in him.
Because we currently have so many good test players, the same energy might not be invested in that sort of player. Are we missing out? Probably not, because we have enough talent already in the test set-up that we aren't really looking for the next cab off the rank. It does seem less likely that we'll find a player like McCullum in the near future though - not until we have a bit more of a dearth of test talent.
-
@no-quarter said in Ross Taylor retires:
Watching him when he first hit the scene you would think T20 would be his strongest format as a slogger that just relied on talent and a good eye, but he worked insanely hard to curb his natural aggression and became an absolute run machine in the longer formats.
He said in his press conference that one of his greatest achievements was working to become a test player. Could have been a basher with an average of 30, but worked hard at test batting.
-
@delicatessen said in Ross Taylor retires:
@no-quarter said in NZ cricket 2021:
Watching him when he first hit the scene you would think T20 would be his strongest format as a slogger that just relied on talent and a good eye, but he worked insanely hard to curb his natural aggression and became an absolute run machine in the longer formats.
It's interesting that, because a similar player coming through the grades currently would probably be even more firmly pegged as a limited overs player. It may be that the modern equivalent has no desire to play test cricket, but the likes of a Finn Allen could well be excellent at third drop if the time was invested in him.
Because we currently have so many good test players, the same energy might not be invested in that sort of player. Are we missing out? Probably not, because we have enough talent already in the test set-up that we aren't really looking for the next cab off the rank. It does seem less likely that we'll find a player like McCullum in the near future though - not until we have a bit more of a dearth of test talent.
Wtf. This was about McCullum. I'm going back to my drinks.
-
Great time to go to be honest.
A Genuine New Zealand great. Thanks for your service Rossco. I hope your boots can be filled.
-
I hope he goes out caught at deep midwicket after an inauspicious swipe across the line
Having scored 150
-
@mariner4life It's only Bangladesh they are playing so had better make that run out for about 250.
-
@higgins said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mariner4life It's only Bangladesh they are playing so had better make that run out for about 250.
Why not go for the triple and better his 290 in Perth!
-
@mariner4life said in Ross Taylor retires:
I hope he goes out caught at deep midwicket after an inauspicious swipe across the line
Having scored 150
Nah ... two fitty
-
@higgins
Jack Alabaster was my maths teacher at Southland Boys, I had the privilege of being caned by him. There was no mistaking that legspin tweak in the delivery. -
@maroon 8 posts in 4 years and this is your pinnacle.
We're not worthy ...
-
Go well Ross, you legend!
-
@higgins said in Ross Taylor retires:
@chris-b Excuse me, I saw Glen Turner and Bruce Taylor both playing live so that in itself does not see them fall into the "or so old no-one has seen them play" category thus they are declared as eligible for selection! Similarly Gren and Jack Alabaster and to a lesser extent Geoff Howarth both also seen play live by myself, the former pair obviously well past his best by then.
Good point. Cricketers like Bruce Taylor & Bev Congdon played in an era when NZ cricket was almost 100% amateur, yet more than held their own against professional teams like Oz & England and were genuinely world class.
That said, t think an All Time Black Caps team would be dominated by players of the last 20 years or so like Rosco & Watling. Haven't followed cricket for a few years but for me it really has been a golden decade or so.
-
@booboo Thank you. Not that you are asking, but a) neglecting homework, b) being a smart-arse, c) three strokes.
Respect to Ross Taylor and for his fine achievements. -
After watching the presser I'm less confident it was completely his decision.
He will play these two tests to bring to an end his test career, then will travel to Australia in a team without the test players for 3 ODIs (and presumably the T20), complete MIQ, then wait a month for three more ODIs against the Netherlands. Hardly the stuff of fairytales.
If given the choice I'm not sure why he would prefer to play with a B-team in overseas and do MIQ than a home test series against South Africa (even in the press conference he said he wanted to play at the Basin again). Seems like a negotiated exit from the Test side IMO, he still will be playing for CD going forward, looking to play county and franchise cricket etc...
The only wild card is he potentially captains that side to Australia? Williamson, Latham and Southee all won't be there - no other obvious choices?
-
@rotated yeah I have my suspicions too.
-
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@higgins said in Ross Taylor retires:
@chris-b Excuse me, I saw Glen Turner and Bruce Taylor both playing live so that in itself does not see them fall into the "or so old no-one has seen them play" category thus they are declared as eligible for selection! Similarly Gren and Jack Alabaster and to a lesser extent Geoff Howarth both also seen play live by myself, the former pair obviously well past his best by then.
Good point. Cricketers like Bruce Taylor & Bev Congdon played in an era when NZ cricket was almost 100% amateur, yet more than held their own against professional teams like Oz & England and were genuinely world class.
That said, t think an All Time Black Caps team would be dominated by players of the last 20 years or so like Rosco & Watling. Haven't followed cricket for a few years but for me it really has been a golden decade or so.
No question. Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
KW, Crowe and Taylor would make ANY Black Caps all time 3-5 as an example. No one else would come close.
-
@rotated said in Ross Taylor retires:
After watching the presser I'm less confident it was completely his decision.
It was Taylor that rang Stead to set this in motion so maybe a compromise of sorts.
“That’s a big thing that’s been going through my mind the last couple of weeks. The Australian series is really close and with quarantine and coming back, it’s probably going to be one side that goes to Australia and the test side will stay behind,” Taylor said. “That’s what made the decision a lot easier. It would have been nice to play against South Africa, but Australia’s a place I’ve always enjoyed… and finishing my career playing one-day cricket which is probably my best format.”
He is also going to continue playing for CD and maybe overseas.
-
Someone has to go through quarantine to play in Australia, maybe he just thought he'd do it for the team one last time.
-
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@higgins said in Ross Taylor retires:
@chris-b Excuse me, I saw Glen Turner and Bruce Taylor both playing live so that in itself does not see them fall into the "or so old no-one has seen them play" category thus they are declared as eligible for selection! Similarly Gren and Jack Alabaster and to a lesser extent Geoff Howarth both also seen play live by myself, the former pair obviously well past his best by then.
Good point. Cricketers like Bruce Taylor & Bev Congdon played in an era when NZ cricket was almost 100% amateur, yet more than held their own against professional teams like Oz & England and were genuinely world class.
That said, t think an All Time Black Caps team would be dominated by players of the last 20 years or so like Rosco & Watling. Haven't followed cricket for a few years but for me it really has been a golden decade or so.
No question. Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
KW, Crowe and Taylor would make ANY Black Caps all time 3-5 as an example. No one else would come close.
Except Martin Donnelly who averaged 52 in tests, but, more importantly 47 compared to Rossco's 41 in first class cricket.
"...gained a reputation as the best left-hander in the world..."
"He continued to impress observers with his attacking style of play, including former champion C B Fry, who believed Donnelly to be the best left-handed batsman he had seen. "
"In 1960, Neville Cardus expressed the opinion that Donnelly was the finest left-handed foreign batsman to play in England since World War II. Donnelly's favourite shot, a legside flick off the pads, often had spectators gasping in admiration, while some commentators suggested he was the best cover-point of all time."
-
@godder said in Ross Taylor retires:
Someone has to go through quarantine to play in Australia, maybe he just thought he'd do it for the team one last time.
None of the other dual format players will.
I don't think it's nefarious at all, Stead probably let Taylor know if Kane was fit he would not be selected and things went from there.
If that is the right call with Nicholls in horrendous form, Young and Conway less than 5 tests into their careers and no other legitimate batsman knocking down the door, we shall see.
-
However the push/pull worked out I'm glad there is a plan rather than things ending abruptly. I hope he goes out on a high!
-
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
I think a fair few would be pushing had they had the opportunity to go pro like today's players. John Wright generally gets the nod to partner Turner as opener in an All Time XI, but Bert Sutcliffe had a better batting average - as an amateur.
-
KW, Crowe and Taylor would make ANY Black Caps all time 3-5 as an example. No one else would come close.
I think Bert Sutcliffe and Martin Donnelly would have compelling cases for consideration based on their contributions in times with little class around them. But Taylor is well in that conversation also.
-
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
I think a fair few would be pushing had they had the opportunity to go pro like today's players. John Wright generally gets the nod to partner Turner as opener in an All Time XI, but Bert Sutcliffe had a better batting average - as an amateur.
Maybe…..but in a way that’s like saying I’d be in the conversation if I was a much better player
But in saying that the old timers did pave the way, I’ll give them that.
-
@arhs said in Ross Taylor retires:
KW, Crowe and Taylor would make ANY Black Caps all time 3-5 as an example. No one else would come close.
I think Bert Sutcliffe and Martin Donnelly would have compelling cases for consideration based on their contributions in times with little class around them. But Taylor is well in that conversation also.
Taylor has class AND longevity though
-
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
I think a fair few would be pushing had they had the opportunity to go pro like today's players. John Wright generally gets the nod to partner Turner as opener in an All Time XI, but Bert Sutcliffe had a better batting average - as an amateur.
Maybe…..but in a way that’s like saying I’d be in the conversation if I was a much better player
Or had better opportunities than Sutcliffe etc?
I think a better comparison for the last 15-20 years for players like Rosco is between professionals like John Parker, Geoff Howarth etc - they were way, way better players.
-
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@victor-meldrew said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Very, very few old timers had great records, they were the epitome of plucky triers. Not much more.
I think a fair few would be pushing had they had the opportunity to go pro like today's players. John Wright generally gets the nod to partner Turner as opener in an All Time XI, but Bert Sutcliffe had a better batting average - as an amateur.
Maybe…..but in a way that’s like saying I’d be in the conversation if I was a much better player
Or had better opportunities than Sutcliffe etc?
I think a better comparison for the last 15-20 years for players like Rosco is between professionals like John Parker, Geoff Howarth etc - they were way, way better players.
Than Rossco? What the fuck ? Clearly you had a great NYs eve cos you’re still pissed.
-
@paekakboyz said in Ross Taylor retires:
However the push/pull worked out I'm glad there is a plan rather than things ending abruptly. I hope he goes out on a high!
The Dutch are uniquely placed to ensure that happens one way or another.
