Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022
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Unsure how many they'll take for three ODIs, perhaps 14. Test squad members are excluded from this tour due to an overlap between the required MIQ period and start of the SA series.
So in the batting this leaves us with options including Guppy, Rosco, Phillips, Seifert, Chapman, Worker, Allen and who knows, maybe a debut for Troy McClure. Neesham and maybe CDG could be allround options. In the spin department we're unhindered as Sodhi and Santner should both be available, while in the pace department Ferguson and Milne will hopefully be included plus, umm, who else we got here who's not in the test squad (and I include Henry in that as he'll be the spare seamer kept back I'm sure).
My initial reaction upon learning the test squad wouldn't be involved, wasn't good. But when I look at who should still be available (and Taylor's decision to go out in this format is a Godsend) I'm actually reasonably happy. I think it takes the pressure off us so who knows what might happen. Certainly can't be worse than our meek last effort, at full strength no less, at an empty SCG almost two years ago.
Thoughts?
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A quick crack at an XI for the first game:
Guptill
Allen
Worker
Taylor
Phillips
Neesham
Seifert
Santner
Milne
Sodhi
FergusonBit light on pace and maybe a bit heavy on spin for a game in Perth but possibly the best 11 players available. Could play Chapman who bowls part time spin, in lieu of Sodhi, and extend the order but it's another pace option we really need here I think.
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@shark said in Black Caps Squad for Australia ODI Tour:
Unsure how many they'll take for three ODIs, perhaps 14. Test squad members are excluded from this tour due to an overlap between the required MIQ period and start of the SA series.
So in the batting this leaves us with options including Guppy, Rosco, Phillips, Seifert, Chapman, Worker, Allen and who knows, maybe a debut for Troy McClure. Neesham and maybe CDG could be allround options. In the spin department we're unhindered as Sodhi and Santner should both be available, while in the pace department Ferguson and Milne will hopefully be included plus, umm, who else we got here who's not in the test squad (and I include Henry in that as he'll be the spare seamer kept back I'm sure).
My initial reaction upon learning the test squad wouldn't be involved, wasn't good. But when I look at who should still be available (and Taylor's decision to go out in this format is a Godsend) I'm actually reasonably happy. I think it takes the pressure off us so who knows what might happen. Certainly can't be worse than our meek last effort, at full strength no less, at an empty SCG almost two years ago.
Thoughts?
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Just looking at the 'B' team we sent to Bangladesh for the T20 series last year, we had Duffy, Kuggeleijn, Bennett, Tickner, Bracewell and Ben Sears all used rather sparingly as the pace attack, so we could expect to see a couple of them taken to Australia. I'd guess Kuggeleijn as he has experience and offers a lower order slugger option as well, plus maybe Sears given his extra pace. But then Bracewell's skillset probably mirrors Kuggeleijns' and he's a mere 11 years advanced from his greatest ever performance, in Hobart.
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Havent seen this posted yet, cant blame Stead on this one, good opportunity for others to get some experience though
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I reckon both Michael Bracewell and Nathan Smith will go very close. Bracewell was meant to tour Bangladesh or Pakistan last year, but pulled out due to the birth of his first child.
Smith is the likely next long-term pace bowling allrounder after Neesham and CDG. Worth taking for experience alone.
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@bayimports
The use of the word star is somewhat overdone by the writer of the article when he uses it to describe all of the squad that lined up at Bay Oval.Black Caps test squad to face Bangladesh
Tom Latham (c), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Devon Conway, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Rachin Ravindra, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, Will Young. -
@higgins I wouldnt get too upset, it was on news.com.au so hyperbole is expected, however I imagine most Australian news outlets will run with a similar tagline lol
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Assuming things go ahead...Of the two names not mentioned I would hope management has at least given some consideration to mending a bridge with Colin Munro and giving him another crack. We have a white ball World Cup in Australia in 9 months and he has played more white ball cricket than anyone in Australia and is in good form in the BBL. I was calling for him to be dropped all through the 2019 WC and am not a huge fan, but I'm also not a huge fan of wasting resources.
Dane Cleaver I think is worth a punt, as keeper cover is needed for Seifert (Conway, Latham, Blundell are all in the test squad). In decent form and on a tour not captained by his cousin.
I would also send Daryl Mitchell unless Stead is absolutely wedded to the idea of him playing all three tests. I think he would get more out of this white ball series than one (possible) test match.
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@rotated Mitchell will be in or around the test squad so forget that idea. And the only game I'd consider Munro for is the T20 at the end of the tour. He's proven over and over its his only decent format.
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@shark said in Black Caps Squad for Australia ODI Tour:
@rotated Mitchell will be in or around the test squad so forget that idea. And the only game I'd consider Munro for is the T20 at the end of the tour. He's proven over and over its his only decent format.
Agree on both points, just my selections.
Aside from Rosco I would pick the side entirely based around giving experience to players who will be part of the T20 WC in October or who are the frame for the ODI CWC next March. Picking the "best" team for these games wouldn't be a huge concern.
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Tour postponed due to MIQ uncertainty...... https://www.facebook.com/blackcapsfan/posts/10160513964797994
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@donsteppa ah bollocks
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Last night they were saying that the T20Is scheduled to be played in NZ, would likely be played in Aust. That would still be dependent on getting later MIQ spots, which is obviously still an issue.
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I think it's also that the government can't guarantee that self-isolation will be an option yet, otherwise they just would have returned in early March instead.
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Follows on ( pun!) From the Under 19s withdrawing from the current world cup also due MIQ concerns.
Except, that decision was made on November 18 2021.
Just makes you proud to be a tough, pragmatic kiwi with that "can do" attitude" we used to be famous forš
"Some of these guys in the under-19 setups can be as young as 16,ā Boock said.
"We didnāt think it was appropriate to force young people to undergo MIQ.āPlayers would have undergone MIQ in a room by themselves, without support from family and with only digital commination between teammates.
Players were not involved in the decision but have been briefed on it.
Wowš
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Weird excuse. NZ cricket probably just didn't want to shell out the money to MIQ all the players, coaches and support staff. Probably talking north of $100K?
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Very disappointing.
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@frye said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
Weird excuse. NZ cricket probably just didn't want to shell out the money to MIQ all the players, coaches and support staff. Probably talking north of $100K?
If I read it right, one adult per room = $1,610 (Charges by Room), so $32,200 even if they send a group of 20. I gather it's more room availability/ability to book.
Someone mentioned that the bright side may be that we don't send a potentially second string team to Oz...
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
If I read it right, one adult per room = $1,610 (Charges by Room), so $32,200 even if they send a group of 20. I gather it's more room availability/ability to book.
I understood there are real responsibility issues with putting a 15/16 year old into an isolated room for 2 weeks. It isn't normal for those kids, and with no parents/responsible adults is high risk. Who is responsible if the kids mental health deteriorates? What can you reasonably do? I think those were more the issue to be fair
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
If I read it right, one adult per room = $1,610 (Charges by Room), so $32,200 even if they send a group of 20. I gather it's more room availability/ability to book.
I understood there are real responsibility issues with putting a 15/16 year old into an isolated room for 2 weeks. It isn't normal for those kids, and with no parents/responsible adults is high risk. Who is responsible if the kids mental health deteriorates? What can you reasonably do? I think those were more the issue to be fair
Ah, my bad, I was thinking mainly of the Black Caps, not the U19's. Though the cynic in me wonders if the average 18-19 year old (depending on the tournament age qualifying date) might have enjoyed a ten day Play Station stint
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
If I read it right, one adult per room = $1,610 (Charges by Room), so $32,200 even if they send a group of 20. I gather it's more room availability/ability to book.
I understood there are real responsibility issues with putting a 15/16 year old into an isolated room for 2 weeks. It isn't normal for those kids, and with no parents/responsible adults is high risk. Who is responsible if the kids mental health deteriorates? What can you reasonably do? I think those were more the issue to be fair
Ah, my bad, I was thinking mainly of the Black Caps, not the U19's. Though the cynic in me wonders if the average 18-19 year old (depending on the tournament age qualifying date) might have enjoyed a ten day Play Station stint
some will no doubt! The issue is those that don't, and how that plays out if they struggle (particuarly if they had a bad tournament/got injured/have other life issues).
But I am surprised the Black Cap's can't get slots. Maybe they need to DJ?
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White and NZC weren't proactive and were banking on free trans-Tasman movement, or at least home quarantine. They got MIQ slots for the 3 visiting teams.
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One of the problems now is that MIQ is fully allocated other than emergency rooms and the rooms being paired with Australian flights to rescue stuck Kiwis, and meanwhile is filling up with Covid at a rapid pace, so configurations are changing almost on a daily basis, which hampers rooms as well.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
If I read it right, one adult per room = $1,610 (Charges by Room), so $32,200 even if they send a group of 20. I gather it's more room availability/ability to book.
I understood there are real responsibility issues with putting a 15/16 year old into an isolated room for 2 weeks. It isn't normal for those kids, and with no parents/responsible adults is high risk. Who is responsible if the kids mental health deteriorates? What can you reasonably do? I think those were more the issue to be fair
Ah, my bad, I was thinking mainly of the Black Caps, not the U19's. Though the cynic in me wonders if the average 18-19 year old (depending on the tournament age qualifying date) might have enjoyed a ten day Play Station stint
some will no doubt! The issue is those that don't, and how that plays out if they struggle (particuarly if they had a bad tournament/got injured/have other life issues).
But I am surprised the Black Cap's can't get slots. Maybe they need to DJ?
I understand the concerns, but jeez that's a lot of ifs for a group of well resourced young men partaking in a procedure done all over the world everyday.
I'd like to hear from the (army age) lads if they're are prepared to MIQ in exchange for the tournament of a lifetime - Caribbean!
Oh well, the authorities know best, bad luck kids. No chance to meet up with your mates from PNG and Uganda. Next time.
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@godder said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
One of the problems now is that MIQ is fully allocated other than emergency rooms and the rooms being paired with Australian flights to rescue stuck Kiwis, and meanwhile is filling up with Covid at a rapid pace, so configurations are changing almost on a daily basis, which hampers rooms as well.
Absolutely, but mental health was the reason for forfeiting NZ's place in the ICC U19s World Cup 2022
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Gotta say, 10 days in iso sounds a bit fucked.
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@siam said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
Oh well, the authorities know best, bad luck kids. No chance to meet up with your mates from PNG and Uganda. Next time.
It's risk averse. It may not be appropriate for all, but it's ensuring that some don't get mentally scarred.
Note I'm not agreeing with it necessarily - just pointing out that I can understand the decision. If you're in charge of a young person, locking them up by themselves for 10 days is ... difficult. If something bad happens, you'd be straight in the line of fire and probably on the front page of the Herald.
question: did some Olympians say the isolation was incredibly difficult coming home after a poor event? I think I read that, but last year is very very foggy
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
@siam said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
Oh well, the authorities know best, bad luck kids. No chance to meet up with your mates from PNG and Uganda. Next time.
It's risk averse. It may not be appropriate for all, but it's ensuring that some don't get mentally scarred.
Note I'm not agreeing with it necessarily - just pointing out that I can understand the decision. If you're in charge of a young person, locking them up by themselves for 10 days is ... difficult. If something bad happens, you'd be straight in the line of fire and probably on the front page of the Herald.
question: did some Olympians say the isolation was incredibly difficult coming home after a poor event? I think I read that, but last year is very very foggy
I hear you mate and it is a tricky situation. I'm in MIQ right now so I have some idea, but these guys have done a fine job of making it as comfortable as possible without compromising the "no contact" variable. 1 hour everyday (after neg test) of outdoor exercise and even gym use after 2nd test. Balconey for every room. $1200 for 7 days, 3 meals a day and all tests etc. Excellent use of Line or whatsapp to communicate with resident nurse (twice daily temp recordings) and hotel staff instantly.
Contrast with the wife's MIQ in Melbourne with fully sealed room (aircon only is horrendous) and total of 3, 15 minutes sessions outside over 14 days was simply cruel and a recipe for the issues we're discussing.
I get it but the lost opportunity to NZC and the boys due to largely logistical constraints rankles.
One thing for sure though, sharing with a teammate (like most cricket tours do) would be massively better, but I have to concede to the situation in NZ
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Back in the day we wouldāve seen a rebel tourā¦
Iām not buying the MIQ availability (or unavailability). How long have they known about this tour, where was the forward planning/thinking? Seems a bit messy to me.
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@act-crusader said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
Back in the day we wouldāve seen a rebel tourā¦
Iām not buying the MIQ availability (or unavailability). How long have they known about this tour, where was the forward planning/thinking? Seems a bit messy to me.
oooh, good!
they've watched the Aus bowling depth, had a quick squiz at who were sending over, and found a way out.
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Santner was to captain the side, not Taylor.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia ODI Tour 2022:
Santner was to captain the side, not Taylor.
Source?
Dumb decision but par for the course with the current selectors.
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@rotated Santner himself on Newshub last night.
Story and interview below.
Blackcaps v Australia: One-day specialists focus on domestic 'Super Smash' rivalries, after tour postponement | Newshub
The limited-overs tour of Australia has been delayed by ongoing COVID-19 border restrictions.
