Would-be hardmen thread
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Players who try to look hard, or talk a big game, but fall short. Bonus points for cheap shots and picking on halfbacks.
Some nominations:
Ali Williams
Dominic Bird
Michael Brial
Nathan Grey
Bakkies Botha
Ellis Genge
Kyle Sinckler
James Haskell
Shannon Frizzell -
Jarrad Hoeata
sio tomkinson -
Justin Harrison
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@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
Shannon Frizzell
Shannon's response:
"Fuck you bitch tell your friend to hide I’m gonna fuck everyone’s up fuck with the wrong guy" -
Zac Guildford
Akira Ioane
Rieko Ioane -
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Andy Haden
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@dogmeat Was sure you were going to post Dick Fromont, but you are getting on.
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If Frizell counts so does Jamie Joseph. He did stomp on Bracken's ankle. Squire with his high shots. Plenty of Highlanders' 6s.
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Every Halfback
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@hooroo Joost van der Westhuizen was a big fan of throwing punches when he was behind a ruck.
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@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
picking on halfbacks.
I don't understand this bonus points system, surely this is a good thing? Wouldn't they lose points for it?
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@nepia said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
picking on halfbacks.
I don't understand this bonus points system, surely this is a good thing? Wouldn't they lose points for it?
Im with you, those mouthy failed jockeys deserve belting
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Robin Brooke
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Liam Squire
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@bayimports He was definitely a bully, but he could foot it with the best of them, and consistently delivered on the field. Late career fades don't count.
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@tim I saw him as a spectacular athelete with grid iron like passes his repertoire, but not really as hardman unless sexual harrassment in fiji counts
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Phil Waugh
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@bayimports said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim I saw him as a spectacular athelete with grid iron like passes his repertoire, but not really as hardman unless sexual harrassment in fiji counts
I think we need to define hardman for the purpose of this thread, but, in the early 90s he definitely brought a hard edge to the pack, plus you wouldn't want to get in a scrap with the three Brooke bros back in the day.
Brendon Cannon (I think) must be in the frame for his wuss punch on Kev.
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@tim same era - Blair Larsen
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@nepia said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@bayimports said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim I saw him as a spectacular athelete with grid iron like passes his repertoire, but not really as hardman unless sexual harrassment in fiji counts
I think we need to define hardman for the purpose of this thread, but, in the early 90s he definitely brought a hard edge to the pack, plus you wouldn't want to get in a scrap with the three Brooke bros back in the day.
Brendon Cannon (I think) must be in the frame for his wuss punch on Kev.
agree hard edge - but Tim wants people that pciked on half backs etc, which like most locks he did in spades and I respected that, his brothers were what I would call hard (and you wouldnt take them on as a group) , at any rate it is all subjective at best
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@nepia said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@bayimports said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim I saw him as a spectacular athelete with grid iron like passes his repertoire, but not really as hardman unless sexual harrassment in fiji counts
I think we need to define hardman for the purpose of this thread, but, in the early 90s he definitely brought a hard edge to the pack, plus you wouldn't want to get in a scrap with the three Brooke bros back in the day.
Brendon Cannon (I think) must be in the frame for his wuss punch on Kev.
Wasn’t really a wuss punch, it just didn’t drop him that was all.
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@dogmeat said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim same era - Blair Larsen
Wasn't he cop? He probably did bash a few heads in the job back in the day.
Ian Jones been mentioned yet?
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@nepia Yeah Larsen was a beat cop in Takapuna.
I can't remember Kamo ever being involved in anything?
Back in the mists of time Grant Batty was an angry little man. Would run halfway across the field to get involved in a bit of biff. Even though he would have need a step ladder in order to connect. Definitely compensating...
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@dogmeat said in Would-be hardmen thread:
I can't remember Kamo ever being involved in anything?
Yeah, never saw Jones try it on. Bad call from @Nepia
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@dogmeat said in Would-be hardmen thread:
I can't remember Kamo ever being involved in anything?
I thought it was common knowledge he was a dirty fucker in mauls and scrums? I've been told by two ABs, one who was a teammate of his.
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Sir Richie would probably suggest Quade for this thread
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@bayimports said in Would-be hardmen thread:
Sir Richie would probably suggest Quade for this thread
Yeah but anyone who steps in a boxing ring deserves respect
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@nepia said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@bayimports said in Would-be hardmen thread:
Brendon Cannon (I think) must be in the frame for his wuss punch on Kev.
Keven never even felt it, didn't notice it, kept on doing whatever he was doing uninterrupted - likely first knew about it when he saw the replay a week later!
The reality is Cannon hit him flush with a good right hook, shoulder behind it, that rocked Keven. He reckoned it sent him cross-eyed and he kept his feet only through the grappling that followed. As they were walking off to the sin bin Keven amused himself with the thought that he'd been yellow carded for copping a punch in the head!
Mealamu confirmed they were lying on adjoining benches getting treated, talking about family. He played on. He had given Cannon a closed eye and some bloody cuts, and Brendan could not continue.
His later advice to others was:
"Don't go near his head'. I've proved that's ineffective. I haven't tested Kevvy's ribs yet so give them a go,"
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@frank Constant off the ball cheap shots on smaller players. Head butts on the ground.
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@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@frank Constant off the ball cheap shots on smaller players. Head butts on the ground.
Oh yeah...I guess.
But he was hard as nails. Fearsome player. -
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@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@dogmeat said in Would-be hardmen thread:
I can't remember Kamo ever being involved in anything?
Yeah, never saw Jones try it on. Bad call from @Nepia
Wasn't Jones involved in a punch up with Norm Hewitt at training? Norm came off second best iirc. Jones also had a scrap with John Eales and soundly beat the shit out of him. He may have looked like a weird gangly mofo but he was not one to be fůcked with.
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Wallaby prop Dan Crowley was a dirty cnut and cheapshot merchant. But he was a legit undercover cop and probably no coward. There were times he didn't have his picture in the match programs because they didn't want to reveal his identity.
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@rancid-schnitzel It appears Jones definitely did have a bit of mongrel
also found an article that confirms Norm and Jones exchanged punches at a training session in Brisbane in 96
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@tim said in Would-be hardmen thread:
@dogmeat said in Would-be hardmen thread:
I can't remember Kamo ever being involved in anything?
Yeah, never saw Jones try it on. Bad call from @Nepia
Wasn't Jones involved in a punch up with Norm Hewitt at training? Norm came off second best iirc. Jones also had a scrap with John Eales and soundly beat the shit out of him. He may have looked like a weird gangly mofo but he was not one to be fůcked with.
When did he beat up Eales ?
I’d put money on Norm vs Jones, perhaps he was feeling a bit like a midweeker and didn’t want to get in trouble for bashing a test player ? In fact I’m sure I remember that was the case, the book is in storage and not available til next month so I’ll have a look then.
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Eben Etzabitch loves to fight an outside back
All beach muscles no ticker.
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Martin Johnson punched Justin Marshall from behind ( to be fair possibly knew what kind of commentator he would become ) and stood on Marty Leslies throat. Dirty, dirty fucker
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