Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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South Africa Test Tour to New Zealand Itinerary
Thursday, 17 to Monday, 21 February
1st Test Hagley Oval, Christchurch
Friday, 25 February to Tuesday, 01 March 2nd Test Hagley Oval, Christchurch
Full Proteas Test squad for New Zealand:
Dean Elgar (captain), Temba Bavuma (vice-captain), Sarel Erwee, Simon Harmer, Marco Jansen, Keshav Maharaj, Aiden Markram, Wiaan Mulder, Lungi Ngidi, Duanne Olivier, Keegan Petersen, Kagiso Rabada, Ryan Rickelton, Lutho Sipamla, Glenton Stuurman, Rassie van der Dussen Kyle Verreynne (wicket-keeper).
Proteas depart next wednesday
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Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
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@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
An excellent summer for Hagley Oval.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
An excellent summer for Hagley Oval.
Zero international cricket in Auckland. Zero.
FML.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
An excellent summer for Hagley Oval.
Zero international cricket in
AucklandWellington. Zero.FML.
I feel you bro
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
An excellent summer for Hagley Oval.
Zero international cricket in
AucklandWellington. Zero.FML.
I feel you bro
hah! At least you got some scheduled ... we got zilch. Really annoying.
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@nzzp Auckland needs to have a dedicated cricket ground to avoid clashing with rugby in Feb/Mar/Apr. Eden Park 2 is fine for domestic cricket, but that's it. Developing Western Springs might be the best option.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
@siam said in Black Caps vs Proteas:
Anyone think this tour won't be affected by covid?
Well all Wellington games have been moved so that’s a no. Fucks sake, was looking forward to some test action at the Basin!!
An excellent summer for Hagley Oval.
Zero international cricket in
AucklandWellington. Zero.FML.
I feel you bro
hah! At least you got some scheduled ... we got zilch. Really annoying.
Pfffft, I’d already persuaded the other half to come with me and sit on the bank ! I think she’s just as fucked off as I am !
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@mn5 that's a keeper😉
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp Auckland needs to have a dedicated cricket ground to avoid clashing with rugby in Feb/Mar/Apr. Eden Park 2 is fine for domestic cricket, but that's it. Developing Western Springs might be the best option.
Western Springs was in the mix for ages - they were going to move on Speedway. Not sure what happened, though
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@nzzp Speedway didn't want a bar of it and then Akl cricket said they still wanted to use EP#2 as first choice.
It was part of the whole rationalisation plan for Akl stadia that did a good job of utilising the best facilities but totally ignored the desires of the teams involved - moving the Warriors to Albany the best example.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp Speedway didn't want a bar of it and then Akl cricket said they still wanted to use EP#2 as first choice.
It was part of the whole rationalisation plan for Akl stadia that did a good job of utilising the best facilities but totally ignored the desires of the teams involved - moving the Warriors to Albany the best example.
'consultation' eh.
EPOO woudl be a sweet test match venue. I undrestand it's not big enough though - and the facilities aren't up to snuff.
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Eden Park will probably only be used as an ODI/T20I venue in the future as it has the capacity and population base. The key will be finding dates that don't clash with Blues matches as the cricket season now extends into March and April.
Hagley Oval has become one of the main test venues now along with the Basin, while Bay Oval is being used more at the expense of Seddon Park and the University Oval.
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Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
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@labcat i know it's wrong but my interest and spirits plummet when I hear this, all too frequent, news.
This has been a shit of an injury for so long now. -
@labcat Only a few weeks ago we were pondering how we'd fit Latham, Young, Conway, Williamson, Taylor and Nicholls into five spots. No worries now.
For SA I'd go with Latham and Young then Conway, Nicholls and Phillips
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@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
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Before the SA-India series I thought that SA would be there for the taking and NZ might finally beat them in a series. SA's batting lineup looked average on paper but they performed in the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Probably a 50/50 now. SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief? -
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Before the SA-India series I thought that SA would be there for the taking and NZ might finally beat them in a series. SA's batting lineup looked average on paper but they performed in the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Probably a 50/50 now. SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
Im going to say SA are favourites, NZ of last year definitely even money, NZ who barely scraped to level a home series against Bangladesh are not the same.
Love his contribution over many years but thankfully the Taylor farewell tour is done, I actually think that was also a distraction for the team in the end. He didnt even look near his former self with the bat, even if his bowling was better!
NZ need to pull finger to even be competitive here and that starts with our much heralded bowling unit who were well under par.. We will have issues in batting without Kane or Taylor but if we are not chasing big innings totals we will be right in this. Heres hoping it happens
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
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CdG is still around. His form wasn't great last year, but there was talk late last year that he'd recently had (or been carrying for a while?) an injury. His domestic form this side of Christmas seems to have been handy with the bat.
I'm tempted by the idea of Glenn Philips at #5, though noting some of the previous comments - @Chris-B I think? - about how chanceless his test half century was in Sydney
First time in quite a while that the top order has a few moving parts to discuss... and that they're not the openers...!
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@donsteppa I haven't seen much of Philips, but what I have seen hasn't been particularly convincing - neither that test innings nor his efforts at the T20 WC. So I'd have Mitch Jr. ahead of him for now - and I'm expecting the selectors to agree with me. Bigger question might be Philips or Ravindra?
RR hasn't made an unequivocal start to his test career - batting or bowling. And we could play the four main seamers along with Mitch Jr and Philips as part timers.
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@chris-b Yep, perhaps something like:
- Young
- Latham
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Philips/Mitchell
- Mitchell/Philips
- Blundell
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wags
- Boult
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@donsteppa That team looks so much better if Little Kane is at 4!
This looks like the ABs when Danny Boy tore his abductor!
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
That will be great. Thought Marco Jansen made a massive difference to our pace attack. Would love to have Shamsi included
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Keegan Pietersen now out after getting Covid.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
Huh ? Taylor is about THE most universally loved Black Cap I can remember. People didn’t “not want him” it was more a case of us all being upset his form appeared to have deserted him.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@donsteppa That team looks so much better if Little Kane is at 4!
This looks like the ABs when Danny Boy tore his abductor!
Does Kane automatically drop to four ?
I guess Brian Lara ( remember him, he went ok ) seemed to chop and change between those positions so it’s not unheard of.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Before the SA-India series I thought that SA would be there for the taking and NZ might finally beat them in a series. SA's batting lineup looked average on paper but they performed in the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Probably a 50/50 now. SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
Im going to say SA are favourites, NZ of last year definitely even money, NZ who barely scraped to level a home series against Bangladesh are not the same.
Love his contribution over many years but thankfully the Taylor farewell tour is done, I actually think that was also a distraction for the team in the end. He didnt even look near his former self with the bat, even if his bowling was better!
NZ need to pull finger to even be competitive here and that starts with our much heralded bowling unit who were well under par.. We will have issues in batting without Kane or Taylor but if we are not chasing big innings totals we will be right in this. Heres hoping it happens
If the Bangladesh debacle hadn’t happened I’d still say we were firm favourites at home even without KW and Rossco.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Before the SA-India series I thought that SA would be there for the taking and NZ might finally beat them in a series. SA's batting lineup looked average on paper but they performed in the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Probably a 50/50 now. SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
Im going to say SA are favourites, NZ of last year definitely even money, NZ who barely scraped to level a home series against Bangladesh are not the same.
Love his contribution over many years but thankfully the Taylor farewell tour is done, I actually think that was also a distraction for the team in the end. He didnt even look near his former self with the bat, even if his bowling was better!
NZ need to pull finger to even be competitive here and that starts with our much heralded bowling unit who were well under par.. We will have issues in batting without Kane or Taylor but if we are not chasing big innings totals we will be right in this. Heres hoping it happens
If the Bangladesh debacle hadn’t happened I’d still say we were firm favourites at home even without KW and Rossco.
yeah but it did happen and I dont think it was an anomaly either, behavioural standards drop when Kano isnt there full stop, as a group they improved for the second, but our bowling squad only partially improved on form.. they still need to improve for us to be favourites
EDIT: Also to note they are coming off a 2-1 series win against India at home versus our home series draw versus Bangladesh
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Before the SA-India series I thought that SA would be there for the taking and NZ might finally beat them in a series. SA's batting lineup looked average on paper but they performed in the 2nd and 3rd tests.
Probably a 50/50 now. SA's pace bowlers will enjoy a seaming and bouncy Hagley Oval.
Im going to say SA are favourites, NZ of last year definitely even money, NZ who barely scraped to level a home series against Bangladesh are not the same.
Love his contribution over many years but thankfully the Taylor farewell tour is done, I actually think that was also a distraction for the team in the end. He didnt even look near his former self with the bat, even if his bowling was better!
NZ need to pull finger to even be competitive here and that starts with our much heralded bowling unit who were well under par.. We will have issues in batting without Kane or Taylor but if we are not chasing big innings totals we will be right in this. Heres hoping it happens
If the Bangladesh debacle hadn’t happened I’d still say we were firm favourites at home even without KW and Rossco.
yeah but it did happen and I dont think it was an anomaly either, behavioural standards drop when Kano isnt there full stop, as a group they improved for the second, but our bowling squad only partially improved on form.. they still need to improve for us to be favourites
Yep and that’s a pretty fair call. Massive couple of tests coming up for the boys, can’t wait !
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@donsteppa That team looks so much better if Little Kane is at 4!
This looks like the ABs when Danny Boy tore his abductor!
Does Kane automatically drop to four ?
I guess Brian Lara ( remember him, he went ok ) seemed to chop and change between those positions so it’s not unheard of.
Not automatic - but, it's sort of sensible to provide your best batsman with a bit more protection from an early wicket and a seaming ball. And Conway seems comfortable at 3.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@donsteppa That team looks so much better if Little Kane is at 4!
This looks like the ABs when Danny Boy tore his abductor!
Does Kane automatically drop to four ?
I guess Brian Lara ( remember him, he went ok ) seemed to chop and change between those positions so it’s not unheard of.
Not automatic - but, it's sort of sensible to provide your best batsman with a bit more protection from an early wicket and a seaming ball. And Conway seems comfortable at 3.
Yeah interesting but not always accurate. There’s so many examples of a teams best batsman batting at three, then again India’s best Sachin Tendulkar ( fuck you bloody, best batsman ever @NTA ) pretty much always batted four from memory ?
I think a teams best batsman is virtually always three OR four……
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@mn5 depends how you define "best" - the thing about first drop is they need to be both an opener and a swashbuckler, depending how the first 2 guys performed.
That's my criteria anyway. These days you don't get many stick-in-the-mud openers so 4 would need to be as good as 3.
Sachin best batter bowler fielder keeper manager coach in history FYB!
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I think a teams best batsman is virtually always three OR four……
Our Geoffrey says, "Ee's not played much attention to cricket 'istory, tha' lad".
I think it depends on who's available to the team. It wouldn't have made sense to shift Kane to 4 when Rossco and Nicholls weren't suited to 3.
Sir Viv is probably a bit of a model - slowly drifting through 3,4,5 and a few experiments elsewhere.
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Yeah a mate has an argument that Kane is the best of the 'big 4' because he bats at 3, whereas Smith, Root and Kohli all bat 4 so have the benefit of that extra protection (although in Root's case that's debatable). I have a hunch that 3 is where he prefers to bat so won't move, but I don't think it's totally unreasonably for him to move.
My inner pessimist says that Kane at 4 means more 4/2 situations where he has less support to rebuild, whereas at 4/1 he can immediately get in and settle the innings.
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@cyclops He'll certainly get to choose.
I've got quite a lot of faith in Latham and Conway (and Young to a slightly lesser extent), so if I was ordering by logic, I'd have Kane at 4.
