Italy v England
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England team to face Italy: Steward; Malins, Marchant, Slade, Nowell; Smith, Randall; Genge, George, Stuart, Ewels, Isiekwe, Itoje, Curry (capt), Dombrandt.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Sinckler, Chessum, Simmonds, Youngs, Ford, Daly.
Not too many complaints but are Ewels and Isiekwe really the two best locks we have available and why put Itoje at 6. Weakens our engine room and our back row.
The backline has a raw but exciting look about it now though. Cue Youngs coming on to close
our attackthe game down around the 45 minute mark... -
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
England team to face Italy: Steward; Malins, Marchant, Slade, Nowell; Smith, Randall; Genge, George, Stuart, Ewels, Isiekwe, Itoje, Curry (capt), Dombrandt.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Sinckler, Chessum, Simmonds, Youngs, Ford, Daly.
Not too many complaints but are Ewels and Isiekwe really the two best locks we have available and why put Itoje at 6. Weakens our engine room and our back row.
The backline has a raw but exciting look about it now though. Cue Youngs coming on to close
our attackthe game down around the 45 minute mark...Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Randall goes, Young's performance last game was the worst I've seen by a tier 1 nine. He killed so much stone dead by panic kicking it away.
But the answer to all the other questions is, 'it's only Italy and Eddie is checking shit out'
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Yeah I think we will learn little from this game and when I say we I probably mean Eddie. We’re not going to learn anything about Ewels, or about Itoje at 6. We also won’t learn anything if he reverts to either Youngs or Ford.
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15 Edoardo Padovani, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Monty Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Toa Halafihi, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Braam Steyn, 5 Federico Ruzza, 4 Niccolo Cannone, 3 Pietro Ceccarelli, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Reserves: 16 Epalahame Faiva, 17 Cherif Traore’, 18 Tiziano Pasquali, 19 David Sisi, 20 Sebastian Blacks, 21 Giovanni Pettinelli, 22 Alessandro Fusco, 23 Leonardo Marin
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@duluth said in Italy v England:
Toa Halafihi
Jeez, I can vaguely recall this guy started out at Poverty Bay about ten or twelve years ago and even spent a short time at the Hurricanes around 2015/16. Must be pushing 30 odd by now?
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@higgins said in Italy v England:
@duluth said in Italy v England:
Toa Halafihi
Jeez, I can vaguely recall this guy started out at Poverty Bay about ten or twelve years ago and even spent a short time at the Hurricanes around 2015/16. Must be pushing 30 odd by now?
28 apparently
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Just picked up the Eyeties did England six nil in the Under 20s division but still trying to find out how many players the Poms must have had red carded for a result like that to happen (Ireland under 20s rolled France 17 - 16 away from home in a good start to the weekend for the Paddies)
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@higgins said in Italy v England:
Just picked up the Eyeties did England six nil in the Under 20s division but still trying to find out how many players the Poms must have had red carded for a result like that to happen (Ireland under 20s rolled France 17 - 16 away from home in a good start to the weekend for the Paddies)
Saw this just now.
Skim read a report, which I can't c&P for some reason.
Can't see mention of any cards.
Eyetie kicker missed another 2 easy kicks as well, versus England having try disallowed for midfield obstruction in first half.
Looks like a deserved win.
Some distant hope of improvement?
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That’s one of the most genuinely Italian sounding teams for some time.
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@duluth said in Italy v England:
15 Edoardo Padovani, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Monty Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Toa Halafihi, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Braam Steyn, 5 Federico Ruzza, 4 Niccolo Cannone, 3 Pietro Ceccarelli, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Reserves: 16 Epalahame Faiva, 17 Cherif Traore’, 18 Tiziano Pasquali, 19 David Sisi, 20 Sebastian Blacks, 21 Giovanni Pettinelli, 22 Alessandro Fusco, 23 Leonardo Marin
@Catogrande 5/15 and 7/23 sound non Italian. (Not sure which way Traore' swings, giving him the benefit ...)
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@catogrande wasn't disputing that
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@booboo There are a couple of guys called Traore that play in the A League and they look decidedly African so it would not surprise me if this one is not from there as well, In addition the number 19 played for England Under 20s and my London Irish team years ago so he could be another invitation player.
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@booboo said in Italy v England:
@duluth said in Italy v England:
15 Edoardo Padovani, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Monty Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Toa Halafihi, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Braam Steyn, 5 Federico Ruzza, 4 Niccolo Cannone, 3 Pietro Ceccarelli, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Reserves: 16 Epalahame Faiva, 17 Cherif Traore’, 18 Tiziano Pasquali, 19 David Sisi, 20 Sebastian Blacks, 21 Giovanni Pettinelli, 22 Alessandro Fusco, 23 Leonardo Marin
@Catogrande 5/15 and 7/23 sound non Italian. (Not sure which way Traore' swings, giving him the benefit ...)
Lol at 20 Sebastien 'blacks'! Traore is from Guinea, but came over as a kid.
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Lol at 20 Sebastien 'blacks'! Traore is from Guinea, but came over as a kid.
Surely it is Negri - who ruffled a lot of feathers in the same match last year with foul play. But, I don't imagine he changed his name by deed poll. Makes you wonder if the writer or sub-editor did it as a 'black' joke after the Willis incident... not expecting it would go public??
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@arhs said in Italy v England:
Lol at 20 Sebastien 'blacks'! Traore is from Guinea, but came over as a kid.
Surely it is Negri - who ruffled a lot of feathers in the same match last year with foul play. But, I don't imagine he changed his name by deed poll. Makes you wonder if the writer or sub-editor did it as a 'black' joke after the Willis incident... not expecting it would go public??
It's totally Negri, just so funny how it's been translated
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Eddie Jones talking some shit about Ali and Liston before the game. So obviously an attempt to wind up Colt and the Italians. Eddie's losing his subtlety in his old age. He needs to try harder.
Jones picks greatest showmen for Rome
England head coach Eddie Jones trusts his "emotionally connected" younger players to "light up" Rome on Sunday when they face Italy in the Six Nations.
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@sparky said in Italy v England:
Eddie Jones talking some shit about Ali and Liston before the game. So obviously an attempt to wind up Colt and the Italians. Eddie's losing his subtlety in his old age. He needs to try harder.
Jones picks greatest showmen for Rome
England head coach Eddie Jones trusts his "emotionally connected" younger players to "light up" Rome on Sunday when they face Italy in the Six Nations.
So the Italians are going to throw the fight cos of their affiliation to the mob then ?
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How was that not a penalty against Smith? Tackles Mori, then doesn't release and while still on the ground wrestles his leg into touch. Bizarre refereeing.
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Not too sure that Ital are really up to 6N standards, but they have played well in the last 2 games. Much more disciplined and their defence at times is top notch.
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Half time. Italy 0 England 21.
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@victor-meldrew said in Italy v England:
Not too sure that Ital are really up to 6N standards, but they have played well in the last 2 games. Much more disciplined and their defence at times is top notch.
Based on the first 1.5 matches, Italy are streets ahead of the chasing pack
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Fuck. Just fuck.
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Italy look the fitter team going into the last 20.
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@victor-meldrew said in Italy v England:
Italy look the fitter team going into the last 20.
If either Wales or Scotland take significant injuries in the next rounds then the Italy match could be nightmare
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@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@victor-meldrew said in Italy v England:
Italy look the fitter team going into the last 20.
If either Wales or Scotland take significant injuries in the next rounds then the Italy match could be nightmare
Hope the Italians get a win soon.
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@pakman said in Italy v England:
@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@victor-meldrew said in Italy v England:
Italy look the fitter team going into the last 20.
If either Wales or Scotland take significant injuries in the next rounds then the Italy match could be nightmare
Hope the Italians get a win soon.
They seem to be where Scotland were a few seasons back - competitive but buggering up opportunity after opportunity from set pieces near the tryline.
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Finished 33-0. I like the look of Dombrandt at 8 and Marcus Smith at 10 for England. Jamie George, Kyle Sinkler, Maro Itoje and Henry Slade all quality players too.
Solid win today, but they look like a side who need more power up front and more pace outwide and to make far fewer mistakes if they are to match the achievements of England's 2003 team.
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Manu Tuilagi got through 52 minutes yesterday for Sale Sahrks. Clearly if fit, he should play in the midfield for England.
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Malins is shaping up to be a real handful
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@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Fuck. Just fuck.
Is that for Youngs coming on?
Yes. I know the bench is supposed to change the game and all but it would be nice if it were for the better.
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@catogrande said in Italy v England:
@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Fuck. Just fuck.
Is that for Youngs coming on?
Yes. I know the bench is supposed to change the game and all but it would be nice if it were for the better.
I really hope Eddie plays Youngs, Manu and Daly against us
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Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
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@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
Big favourites I’d say
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@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
Big favourites I’d say
England by 20+ I reckon.
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@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
Big favourites I’d say
We ought to be but we seem to find ways of buggering things up all by ourselves. Some of Eddie's selections and substitutions are becoming baffling. What did we learn that we didn't't already know about Itoje at 6 and Ewels as anything but a back up? What did we learn bout Youngs coming on with 30 odd minutes to go that we didn't already know? Fuck all that's what and you can't even use the "building for the future" excuse with any of those selections. Looking at the back five options within the match day squad we had two speedy players in Curry and Simmonds and still he stuffed us full of the big heavy boys when the back line is crying out for pace.
If we can throw it away against the Scots having had the degree of possession that we did and fail to put Italy to the sword, again with a shed load of possession, then we can quite easily lose to your boys at Twickenham.
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@catogrande said in Italy v England:
@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
Big favourites I’d say
We ought to be but we seem to find ways of buggering things up all by ourselves. Some of Eddie's selections and substitutions are becoming baffling. What did we learn that we didn't't already know about Itoje at 6 and Ewels as anything but a back up? What did we learn bout Youngs coming on with 30 odd minutes to go that we didn't already know? Fuck all that's what and you can't even use the "building for the future" excuse with any of those selections. Looking at the back five options within the match day squad we had two speedy players in Curry and Simmonds and still he stuffed us full of the big heavy boys when the back line is crying out for pace.
If we can throw it away against the Scots having had the degree of possession that we did and fail to put Italy to the sword, again with a shed load of possession, then we can quite easily lose to your boys at Twickenham.
What can you possibly learn by beating Italy by 30 points for the 455th time in a row?
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@majorrage said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
@mikethesnow said in Italy v England:
@catogrande said in Italy v England:
Youngs is likely. Manu less so I feel. Daly will be dependent on alternatives. Nowell if fit I’d guess.
But it’s Youngs that is killing us atm. Too much kicking. Kicking at the wrong time/circumstances and of course kicking poorly.
It’s going to be an interesting game that’s for sure. I make us slight favourites due to being at home but it’s close.
Big favourites I’d say
We ought to be but we seem to find ways of buggering things up all by ourselves. Some of Eddie's selections and substitutions are becoming baffling. What did we learn that we didn't't already know about Itoje at 6 and Ewels as anything but a back up? What did we learn bout Youngs coming on with 30 odd minutes to go that we didn't already know? Fuck all that's what and you can't even use the "building for the future" excuse with any of those selections. Looking at the back five options within the match day squad we had two speedy players in Curry and Simmonds and still he stuffed us full of the big heavy boys when the back line is crying out for pace.
If we can throw it away against the Scots having had the degree of possession that we did and fail to put Italy to the sword, again with a shed load of possession, then we can quite easily lose to your boys at Twickenham.
What can you possibly learn by beating Italy by 30 points for the 455th time in a row?
Exactly. This was a game for trying to cement new combinations and/or looking at different options. We know about Ewels. We know about Itoje in the back row. We know about Youngs. We know we have a plethora of big heavy mounters that can play at lock/6 and "do a job". Why keep asking the questions that we already know the slightly unsatisfactory answers for in a game we were always likely to win?
