Ukraine
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@muddyriver said in Ukraine:
@victor-meldrew is Russia a basket case on the home front?
I had thought they held their own economically. Their at home purchasing power per capita was quite high up in the world lists.
its fascinating, i was listening to a podcast yesterday, its american and probably left leaning (although they claim and seem to try and get both sides of discussion), they had a reporter who had done an exchange student thing back in the 90's in russia, he reached back out to his old russian family...they love Putin, wouldn't hear a bad word said about him, life is so much better now that it was in the 2000's and the 2000's were so much better than the 90's, hes a hero that's liberating these areas of Ukraine, and these are the 80's where the populous might only hear what state run media have to say, they're on the info web and see whats being said around the world
i think they said that there are two state run and one "independent" polling organisations and all of them get similar figures of mid 80% approval, what i found fascinating was apparently even when foreign organisations do anonymous polling he still has 50-60% approval...so its not all fear of repercussion
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@majorrage said in Ukraine:
@mariner4life said in Ukraine:
I guess where we differ is
I would define an effective leader is one who does good things for the people he leads
None of this is good for them. They couldn't give a fuck about running the Ukraine. They (probably) weren't afraid they were about to cop missiles from the west.
Instead they get fucked by sanctions
Their economy is tanked.
Their ability to do business in the world is severely hampered at best
They can't even log in to porn hubAnd for what??
I think what you are saying is you define effective as good. That's where we differ. I would also define Hitler as a very effective leader.
No wrong or right here, but we are on the same page for the most part Disappointingly, feel like a good stoush.
yeah, damn it. want me to make up something outlandish so we can just go at it?
I agree my naive sheltered views may contribute to my opinion. I just expect, like most people these days, that countries do "the right thing" and that shit like this is for less enlightened times
And then i realise that's because i fall in to the trap of obviously not caring about places where people don't look like me. Which is a shuddering realisation.
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@stockcar86 Russia lost the war? Here I was thinking it was still going.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@stockcar86 Russia lost the war? Here I was thinking it was still going.
I chuckled reading that as well.
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@stockcar86 folks keen to get their predictions in asap so they can go into 'told you so' mode, or bury them and alter their predictions if they turn out wrong. But who knows, maybe Putin reads Twitter and will go, we've lost?? shit, time to bring the lads home.
Yeah right.
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Fuck A-10s are rad
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Good twitter thread about how Russia is sending a message demolishing the city of Karkhov.
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A10 vs modern AA
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@kid-chocolate said in Ukraine:
Good twitter thread about how Russia is sending a message demolishing the city of Karkhov.
It's not a moral quandary at all. It's actually pretty offensive to suggest that "we" even have a say about whether they fight or surrender. It's their country and their lives, and they get to decide what to do. They aren't fighting because Clint Ehrlich or anyone else "encourages" them. He doesn't get to decide who lives or how. Who does he think he is, Pontius Pilate? And that goes for all the other pointy heads for whom this is a discussion point for a talk show too.
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@kid-chocolate said in Ukraine:
Good twitter thread about how Russia is sending a message demolishing the city of Karkhov.
It's not a moral quandary at all. It's actually pretty offensive to suggest that "we" even have a say about whether they fight or surrender. It's their country and their lives, and they get to decide what to do. They aren't fighting because Clint Ehrlich or anyone else "encourages" them. He doesn't get to decide who lives or how. Who does he think he is, Pontius Pilate? And that goes for all the other pointy heads for whom this is a discussion point for a talk show too.
I don't know about this fresh take of yours. What you fail to account for is Ukrainians are simple, impressionable folk. Without us encouraging them, they probably wouldn't defend their country.
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You're not going to see a "Chernobyl" from it, they're totally different designs.
That's categorically not excusing the idiocy of engaging in a fight in its vicinity.