More from the 'Human's are Morons' Catelogue

Hooroo

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Young adult author Will Kostakis.
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A Catholic school in Australia has cancelled a speaking visit from an award-winning gay author of young adult books because his new book - which includes a gay character - has been deemed "not appropriate".
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://willkostakis.com/'>Will Kostakis, 26, came out as gay on his </a><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://willkostakis.com/' title="">blog</a> last week after an ex-boyfriend of his was diagnosed with cancer.
Just days later he received a cancellation email from a teacher at De La Salle College in Sydney, where he had done a successful speaking visit last year.
"We have a concern about promoting your new book at our school as it is a Catholic school," the email reads.
"We were reading over your blog and I think it might not be appropriate, and parents might not be happy."
The email goes on to say the teacher has "nothing personally against" Kostakis, and his new book, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.penguin.com.au/products/9780143309031/sidekicks' title="">The Sidekicks</a>, sounds like a touching story, but it wasn't "appropriate".
Kostakis says the political furore over the Safe Schools programme, including attacks by former prime minister Tony Abbott and MP Cory Bernardi, has emboldened conservative responses to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people.
"I want to add my voice, however quiet it is, at the end of a week when every idiot in parliament is making links between Safe Schools and sex shops," Kostakis said.
And repercussions are being felt elsewhere.
Michelle Telfer, the director of the centre for Child and Adolescent Health at the Royal Children's Hospital, said her young transgender patients and their families are distressed.
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"It's the first thing they want to talk about at appointments," she said. "What worries me is we have vulnerable trans and gender diverse young people that are being used as fodder in a wider debate."
In his response to the school's email on his blog, Kostakis said coming out publicly was difficult.
"I had hoped, having spoken at some Catholic schools, those schools would be comfortable with my revelation knowing what I bring to my presentations and workshops. And that my sexuality, while it informs who I am, is not the subject of my presentations."
The school had been contacted for a response.
In 2005, Kostakis won the Sydney Morning Herald Young Writer of the Year award for a collection of short stories. His second novel, The First Third, was shortlisted for the 2014 Children's Book Council of Australia awards.
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I don't know why this grates me so much, but it does
 
I kind of think 'fair enough' if it is a adult church group or something where people have these ideas and can't tolerate it but these are kids and he has spoken with them before. He would have been gay then too, I imagine.
 
It sets such a bad example.

dogmeat

nothing personal - some of my best friends are.... :idiot2:
 
Why is this even an issue in 2016

NTA

It grates on me as well.
 
Quite frankly, its un-fucking-Australian to be this up tight about anyone's sexuality in this day and age, using religious freedom as some kind of excuse.
 
We received a booklet from the local Diocese (my kids are Catholic schooled) talking about preserving marriage as it is, with simpering arrogance such as "its not fair to offer marriage to gay people when they can't really be a family" and other associated rubbish.
 
I was livid, and thankfully so were a lot of the school community.
 
The Australian Catholic hierarhy doesn't need more shit thrown at it when they've got their highest ranking member under questioning for his conduct on paedophilia. They need to cut away some dead wood.

No Quarter

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/77494073/auckland-bishop-says-madonna-highly-offensive-to-christianity'>Auckland Bishop says Madonna 'highly offensive to Christianity'</a>
 
Well I find Christianity highly offensive to Science and all of humanity.
 
Far out religion is a joke.

mariner4life

It's funny, my son goes to a Catholic school, and i can't imagine any of this stuff coming home with him. The principle is pretty good, and they are very big on being "inclusionary" where everyone gets involved. Maybe because it's a primary school though?
 
Like you guys, i really can't understand why this is a fucking issue in this day and age, and if religion wants to remain relevant in western societies (well, outside of America, but i think we've established those guys are mentally deficient), they will need to look at this shit. There are what, 7 passages in the bible that even mention homosexuality? while there are hundreds about treating people well, and loving your neighbour and shit. 
 
Seriously, fuck the religious hierarchy of this country, and fuckwit politicians like Cory Bernardi

Rancid Schnitzel

That is shocking. Was there anything in his book that might have caused offence? Perhaps it not being age-appropriate? Refusing to let him speak because he's gay is just asking for trouble.

Rancid Schnitzel

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It's funny, my son goes to a Catholic school, and i can't imagine any of this stuff coming home with him. The principle is pretty good, and they are very big on being "inclusionary" where everyone gets involved. Maybe because it's a primary school though? 
Like you guys, i really can't understand why this is a fucking issue in this day and age, and if religion wants to remain relevant in western societies (well, outside of America, but i think we've established those guys are mentally deficient), they will need to look at this shit. There are what, 7 passages in the bible that even mention homosexuality? while there are hundreds about treating people well, and loving your neighbour and shit. 
Seriously, fuck the religious hierarchy of this country, and fuckwit politicians like Cory Bernardi</blockquote>
 
Safe Schools is a shocker though. I've got no problem with anti-bullying initiatives and respect for gays etc being included and even emphasised with that. Have a look at what it involves.

mariner4life

To be honest i haven't looked at the program at all, so i am not in a position to comment. I find the rhetoric around it from both sides a little distasteful however.

Mokey

Religion has so much to answer for when it comes to the world's ills.
 
Sick to death of western bigots waving a bible in the air and indoctrinating little kids into being the next generation of homophobic, sexist, racist, haters.
 
To say family is a mother, father plus kids is fucking horseshit. A true family is unit that loves, cares and supports one another. I've met some bloody awesome kids who had two mums or two dads - confident, inclusive, compassionate and smart. Kids aren't born racist/sexist/homophobic, they are pushed that way.

jegga

Poor bastard losing his partner to cancer at 26 .

jegga

Not sure if anyone is following the investigation going on at the moment over in oz but the head of the Catholic Church said he wouldn't have been interested in hearing about one of his priests who was raping a boy in his care. Quite a contrast in attitudes there, ones in a consensual long term relationship and that's the church's business, but they arent g interested in a member of the clergy forcing himself on a young boy.

antipodean

We're talking about people who hear special voices and think that they answer to that voice, not everyone else. An institution that has enjoyed and taken advantage of privileged position in society.

jegga

Here's the cardinal I was talking about <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/77444188/top-cardinal-says-he-wasnt-interested-in-complaints-about-paedophile-priest'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/77444188/top-cardinal-says-he-wasnt-interested-in-complaints-about-paedophile-priest</a>
He also accompanied the priest to court because it was the christian thing to do but now admits it was a mistake <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/77527656/cardinal-george-pell-walking-paedophile-priest-to-court-was-a-mistake'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/77527656/cardinal-george-pell-walking-paedophile-priest-to-court-was-a-mistake</a>

NTA

Pell is an overly ambitious sociopath. He only thinks it was a mistake because it might tarnish his image. He'd let the fucking world burn if it meant he could be Pope.
 
 
Some people are defending him on twitter, and look, he's not guilty of touching kiddies himself. But the standard you walk past is the standard you accept in any organisation, and he's tied a boat anchor to both his testes.

jegga

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Pell is an overly ambitious sociopath. He only thinks it was a mistake because it might tarnish his image. He'd let the fucking world burn if it meant he could be Pope.
 
 
Some people are defending him on twitter, and look, he's not guilty of touching kiddies himself. But the standard you walk past is the standard you accept in any organisation, and he's tied a boat anchor to both his testes.
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Mokey

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Pell is an overly ambitious sociopath. He only thinks it was a mistake because it might tarnish his image. He'd let the fucking world burn if it meant he could be Pope.
 
 
Some people are defending him on twitter, and look, he's not guilty of touching kiddies himself. But the standard you walk past is the standard you accept in any organisation, and he's tied a boat anchor to both his testes.
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This. There is no excuse for turning a blind eye to criminal behaviour involving young, vulnerable kids. Especially sex abuse. The two of them should be subject to some old testament punishment.

NTA

His modus operandi in these discussion is to spout bullshit about "No-one ever came to me with evidence, because they knew that I wouldn't stand by and shift priests around different parishes to try and hide their wrongdoing"
 
He should just resign and go live in one of those monasteries on a fuck-off giant mountain.

booboo

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Not sure if anyone is following the investigation going on at the moment over in oz but the head of the Catholic Church said he wouldn't have been interested in hearing about one of his priests who was raping a boy in his care. Quite a contrast in attitudes there, ones in a consensual long term relationship and that's the church's business, but they arent g interested in a member of the clergy forcing himself on a young boy.</blockquote>
 
I recon Pell is a detestable human being whose sole purpose was to protect the church and by extension himself. 
However ... the bold bit above ... 
I'm not sure if that's exactly what he said... Without reading your link there Jeg ... I understood it was that more back in that time it had no interest for him ... which I read as he didn't get it ... which is kind of understandabl (not right ... understandable ). 
What he's done subsequdntly has been pretty fucking ordimary. 
The whole Catholic church thing is ordinary really

jegga

Booboo from the link, I guess there are other ways of interpreting what he said . I can't think of a good one though.
 
Cardinal Pell has repeatedly denied knowledge of Ridsdale's offending in the 1970s.
"I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said.
"It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."

Sapetyvi

This is the thing I just cant understand, the church has the right to collect taxes (atleast in Finland) and they have no responsibility. If a political party doesnt support mass immigration or gay rights, they loose funding from the state, why should the church be any different? 
Make them behave like normal human beings or take money off from them, fucking fluffies. 
And then there is this lad in my rugby club, nicest bugger going around, highly religious, can take a joke and is always a joy to talk to. Has absolutely nothing against gays, nor transsexual people and actually takes part in pride-things and whatnot. 
But its the old school conservative people who flip my shit over, like the leader of the Christian democratic party; She actually said in live-TV that she got gay-friends but still wont support gay marriage, what an absolute waste of oxygen. To top it all she is a doctor, an actual medical doctor and still believes on stories and bases her politics on bits and pieces of a 2000-year-old book.

gollum

Educators are the future -
 
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My favourite bit re Noahs ark & dinosaurs -
 
"Most of the dinosaur fossils which scientists have found are permanently preserved in positions of great distress as if they were trying to keep their heads above water or above the mud."

Rancid Schnitzel

I have no problem with them going after the Catholic Church and finding and charging those responsible for these crimes. But this Pell business is a bit of a pile on. I agree that it would help if he actually showed some empathy (he is a PR disaster), but he was the guy that, pretty much as soon as he became a Bishop, set up the Melbourne response to compensate and help victims. He's now appeared before the royal commission 3 times and faced questions like: 
"Are you now, or have you ever been a Catholic?" 
I really dont know about this "common knowledge that he was a paedo" stuff. I once played on a rugby team with a guy who is now a convicted peadophile. Nobody had any idea. It's not like he advertised it. Well-known journalist and former priest Paul Bongiorno shared a presbytery with that paedophile priest Ridsdale and was completely clueless. He lived in the same house as him.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying defend what occurred or the pathetic response to it. I'm simply saying that Pell actually did take action and imho doesn't deserve to be destroyed in this way.

Catogrande

By their very nature paedos don't advertise. I knew a bloke that we all thought was a bit dodgy (financially) and we were all waiting with baited breath when he was up in court for fraud. Then the case got postponed, as after the police seized his computer they found thousands of kiddy porn images downloaded. Thousands. Including some category 1 shit.
 
As I said, we all thought he was dodgy but no-one thought hmmm, pervert.

taniwharugby

Can't big business directors be held accountable for fraudulent, mismanagement type shit that goes down supposedly without thier knowledge, but like taxes and other stuff, churches seem to be held to a different set of rules. 
Surely with the churches history of paedos then he should be held to a higher standard to ensure it is kept clean.

Baron Silas Greenback

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This is the thing I just cant understand, the church has the right to collect taxes (atleast in Finland) and they have no responsibility. If a political party doesnt support mass immigration or gay rights, they loose funding from the state, why should the church be any different? 
Make them behave like normal human beings or take money off from them, fucking fluffies. 
And then there is this lad in my rugby club, nicest bugger going around, highly religious, can take a joke and is always a joy to talk to. Has absolutely nothing against gays, nor transsexual people and actually takes part in pride-things and whatnot. 
But its the old school conservative people who flip my shit over, like the leader of the Christian democratic party; She actually said in live-TV that she got gay-friends but still wont support gay marriage, what an absolute waste of oxygen. To top it all she is a doctor, an actual medical doctor and still believes on stories and bases her politics on bits and pieces of a 2000-year-old book.
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What? Can you clarify what you are talking about? Why should any political party lose funding for not supporting mass immigration or gay rights?
 
I think supporting gay rights and mass immigration in Europe are extremely conflicted. You think Catholics dont like homosexuals.. check out what the Muslim immigrants think of it...
The left parties in Europe have got an issue. How do you support homosexual rights whilst also importing hundreds of thousands of religious people who are incredibly intolerant?

Sapetyvi

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="562193" data-time="1457037120">What? Can you clarify what you are talking about? Why should any political party lose funding for not supporting mass immigration or gay rights? 
I think supporting gay rights and mass immigration in Europe are extremely conflicted. You think Catholics dont like homosexuals.. check out what the Muslim immigrants think of it... 
The left parties in Europe have got an issue. How do you support homosexual rights whilst also importing hundreds of thousands of religious people who are incredibly intolerant?</blockquote>
There is a case in Finland where a youth right wing party got less government funding than leftists becouse their agenda did not include supporting "multiculturalism" or something like that, which in Europe means mass immigration.

Baron Silas Greenback

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Really? That seems a little harsh. Do you have a source for that or more info so I can look it up for myself?

Sapetyvi

<a class="bbc_url" href="http://yle.fi/uutiset/kho_perussuomalaisten_nuoria_syrjittiin_rahanjaossa/7637692">http://yle.fi/uutiset/kho_perussuomalaisten_nuoria_syrjittiin_rahanjaossa/7637692</a> 
If you want to google translate, I think they are in still in court about it. 
The political situation in Finland is a mess alltogether. We have been living with debt for too long, our pension system is about to crash down, the new government is cutting from everyone and we took 30k r efugees last year and expect more this year.

Baron Silas Greenback

Thanks, google translate made a bit of a mess of it, but I got the general gist.

NTA

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I have no problem with them going after the Catholic Church and finding and charging those responsible for these crimes. But this Pell business is a bit of a pile on. I agree that it would help if he actually showed some empathy (he is a PR disaster), but he was the guy that, pretty much as soon as he became a Bishop, set up the Melbourne response to compensate and help 
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I think going after the church as a whole is probably a bit much, because there are a lot of them who aren't doing bad things (besides their Catholocism ;)) but I saw an article the other day on the bit in bold:
 
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He and his supporters advance this as proof that Pell was championing the cause of victims. Perhaps, but the then premier of Victoria, Jeff Kennett, had threatened him with a royal commission by if he didnâ€™t put the churchâ€™s house in order.
His response offered investigation and counselling but â€“ unlike the response soon implemented by the Catholic church in the rest of Australia â€“ set low, capped limits on payouts to victims. It would save his archdiocese many millions of dollars.
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Ever the financial doyen.

Rancid Schnitzel

Which is of course implying that if Kennett didn't "threaten" him then he would have done nothing and that he also ripped off the victims. Once again, a trifle unfair.
 
It should be noted that proof of abuse was not required. IIRC the average payout under Towards Healing (the national response) was 48k.
 
You can also compare that to redress schemes offered by state governments for abuse suffered in state care. The cap was 40k in QLD and the max was 60k in TAS. It could very well be that the Melbourne Response was totally inadequate, but I'm not aware of any organisation or company that will invite people to come forward for compensation and offer them a blank check.
 
I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.

booboo

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Booboo from the link, I guess there are other ways of interpreting what he said . I can't think of a good one though. Cardinal Pell has repeatedly denied knowledge of Ridsdale's offending in the 1970s. "I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said. "It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."</blockquote>
Yep. That's what i had seen reported. 
And I'm playing with semantics but as i say i can see how back in the day when he was Fr. George Pell parish priest elsewhere not Cardinal responsible for employees how something so out of whack with your understanding of the world and not within your control wouldn't be his concern. 
That's different to him now not being interested. 
Not for a minute excusing him for any further wrong doings. 
Re the Melbourne response. I have heard some damning criticism of that, hiw it essentially exists to protect the church from further action rather than try to assist the victims.

NTA

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I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.
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I agree with that. I suppose in terms of what the public thinks of him, the emotional range is wide.
 
I suppose, even if he threw himself on his knees and begged for mercy, it wouldn't change peoples' minds. It would almost be worse than his current emotional blockade.
 
Ultimately the Church will decide what happens I think - they're in a tricky position.

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I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.
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Except muslims eh?

jegga

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 I don't see much of a lynch mob metaility coming from the west, in fact the exact opposite is true . Europe has been over the top in trying to accommodate them which they are regretting now and will do for quite some time.
 
Getting back to the catholic church, they had systems in place to avoid publicity and protect the pedophiles in their ranks from prosecution . They deserve all the derision being heaped on them, I was raised catholic and one of the schools I went to had this arsehole teaching there, even after he was caught groping boys the rector gave him a glowing letter of recommendation. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379</a>

Rancid Schnitzel

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That's truly pathetic Siam.

Rancid Schnitzel

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I don't see much of a lynch mob metaility coming from the west, in fact the exact opposite is true . Europe has been over the top in trying to accommodate them which they are regretting now and will do for quite some time. 
Getting back to the catholic church, they had systems in place to avoid publicity and protect the pedophiles in their ranks from prosecution . They deserve all the derision being heaped on them, I was raised catholic and one of the schools I went to had this arsehole teaching there, even after he was caught groping boys the rector gave him a glowing letter of recommendation. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379</a></blockquote>
 
Totally agree Jegga. Go after the paedos and guys like this rector. Destroying Pell and labelling him a paedo isn't fair.

Siam

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Yeah, it was Ranc, my bad

NTA

I think there will be a desire to see him brought down. His detractors see his failure to act as making him unworthy of high office.

taniwharugby

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A court has heard of the various natural remedies a Canadian couple allegedly tried to treat their sick toddler, who eventually died, including maple syrup, whey protein and frozen berries. 
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David and Collet Stephan are currently on trial for failing to provide the essentials of life for their 19-month-old son Ezekiel after he died from meningitis in March 2012.
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The pair only sought professional medical help when Ezekiel stopped breathing, and had been suffering from the disease for two weeks prior. 
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Ezekiel Stephan, 19 months, died from meningitis after his parents allegedly failed to seek professional medical help in time.
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He died five days after being taken to a children's hospital in Calgary, reports Sydney Morning Herald. Mr and Ms Stephan have pleaded not guilty at the trial, which began in Alberta this week. 
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The couple run a nutritional supplements company and told police they preferred naturopathic remedies to traditional medicine.
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When they noticed Ezekiel first become unwell, they gave him water with maple syrup and juice with frozen berries, before moving on to apple cider vinegar and horse radish root when his condition deteriorated. 
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