Hurricanes v Reds
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The pick of the Melbourne round
Last year the Reds defence screwed up badly against the Highlanders and Crusaders early in SRTT. I think they’ll be more competitive this year
I agree the Canes selections have been confusing. But I don’t think their form is bad as some have claimed
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The big thing for the Canes is finishing off the chances that they create. Off the top of my head they botched about 4 fairly easy try scoring opportunities on Saturday alone and this has been a frequent issue for the Canes throughout the season. If they can get it right and execute better then they could quite easily put teams to the sword.
Selections are the other issue, Holland needs to select his best side and stick with it. Too much roatation has prevented this side from building any real momentum in their campaign.
If they can sort things out against the Australian teams then they will be a real threat come the playoffs.
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For the sake of the comp the Reds have to win this
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
For the sake of the comp the Reds have to win this
No thanks. The Canes won this one fairly comfortably last year so hoping for the same result.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
For the sake of the comp the Reds have to win this
No thanks. The Canes won this one fairly comfortably last year so hoping for the same result.
And thus the comp is proven a joke.
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@mariner4life why? It just means the Aussie teams need to up their game. Only way of doing that is playing Kiwi teams.
Personally I don't think the Aussies have enough talent for 5 teams which is probably a big reason why they never quite reach the heights of NZ teams.
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Because if the best team in Aus can't beat the 4th best team in NZ (who aren't exactly playing well)
Then this comp as a sporting contest is a joke and almost completely worthless. Viewers on both sides of the Tasman will shut off in droves if this turns out to be as one sided as last year.
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
For the sake of the comp the Reds have to win this
The Aussies need to win games. It's a bit dramatic to say this particular game needs to be won by the Reds
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
For the sake of the comp the Reds have to win this
The Aussies need to win games. It's a bit dramatic to say this particular game needs to be won by the Reds
I stand by my reasoning
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I stand by my reasoning
One win will make almost no difference. Sadly Aussie teams are just not strong enough overall
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@mariner4life it's not our problem that Aussie teams are lacking behind, that's their issue.
I won't be surprised at all if no Aussie team qualifies for the semi finals.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life it's not our problem that Aussie teams are lacking behind, that's their issue.
I won't be surprised at all if no Aussie team qualifies for the semi finals.
Sorry, just reading back to find where i said it's anyone's fault
If ypur prediction co.es true say goodbye to Super Rugby
And probably NZ rugby as we know it as well
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life it's not our problem that Aussie teams are lacking behind, that's their issue.
I won't be surprised at all if no Aussie team qualifies for the semi finals.
If there is a must win game then one Aussie team beating the Crusaders or Blues is the result they need. To show they can beat the best. Not the 4th or 5th teams. And no hidings.
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
If ypur prediction co.es true say goodbye to Super Rugby
And probably NZ rugby as we know it as wellAust has got at least 2 too many teams. Its an issue that won't be overcome by a few wins against the weaker NZ teams. I don't think there is an answer to this issue
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@mariner4life The level of NZ franchise rugby is arguably the highest globably so to suggest that it's curtains for this competition just because the Australian teams can't quite make the grade is a little dramatic.
Aussie rugby have had these issues for years and yet here we are. It's up to them to rise to the challenge and find ways of improving so they can match it with New Zealand sides on a regular basis.
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Reds:
> The pick of the Melbourne roundLast year the Reds defence screwed up badly against the Highlanders and Crusaders early in SRTT. I think they’ll be more competitive this year
I agree the Canes selections have been confusing. But I don’t think their form is bad as some have claimed
So is this a Canes home game. Or who gets the home game as I assume it should be three home and three away
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@Duluth Brumbies to beat the Highlanders? Suspect they will be favourites.
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@Winger yes, originally this was scheduled at the Cake Tin.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life The level of NZ franchise rugby is arguably the highest globably so to suggest that it's curtains for this competition just because the Australian teams can't quite make the grade is a little dramatic.
Aussie rugby have had these issues for years and yet here we are. It's up to them to rise to the challenge and find ways of improving so they can match it with New Zealand sides on a regular basis.
Exactly, it's up to the Aussie sides to work hard to improve their overall standards.
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Because if the best team in Aus can't beat the 4th best team in NZ (who aren't exactly playing well)
Then this comp as a sporting contest is a joke and almost completely worthless. Viewers on both sides of the Tasman will shut off in droves if this turns out to be as one sided as last year.
Only trouble with that argument Mariner is the 3 botom teams from Aus can't beat the top 2, so doesn't that make alternative comp a joke?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life it's not our problem that Aussie teams are lacking behind, that's their issue.
I won't be surprised at all if no Aussie team qualifies for the semi finals.
I will be real surprised if that happens, and can see an Aus team making final if things go right.
As a Cane's man I worry about us against both Reds and Brumbies and can see Tahs maybe getting a few wins. -
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@mariner4life it's not our problem that Aussie teams are lacking behind, that's their issue.
I won't be surprised at all if no Aussie team qualifies for the semi finals.
Sorry, just reading back to find where i said it's anyone's fault
If ypur prediction co.es true say goodbye to Super Rugby
And probably NZ rugby as we know it as well
I not sure why you think it will be end of NZ rugby and not Aus rugby.
I agree Aus teams need to win, and covid has made it harder again, as a diet of Aus derbies is not maybe the best prep where as a mixture of games is better. I will say it maybe also be countered a bit by kiwi teams knocking each other around so much , and more importantly, I think mentally the kiwi teams seem to switch off a little in early part of TT. -
Won’t let me post but there’s a tweet from Ollie Ritchie from Newshub saying Aumua has been given a 3 week ban for his hit on Evans.
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I'm kind of worried that we rate ourselves (NZ teams) so highly and Aus teams so low.
But I've said that before and results continue to be one sided.
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@mikey07 said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Won’t let me post but there’s a tweet from Ollie Ritchie from Newshub saying Aumua has been given a 3 week ban for his hit on Evans.
Here you go, along with details of the suspensions for Barrett and Dickson.
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@booboo said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I'm kind of worried that we rate ourselves (NZ teams) so highly and Aus teams so low.
But I've said that before and results continue to be one sided.
Me and you both boo, I not sure the Aussie teams are bad as some of us think, especially Reds and Brumbies.
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@Bovidae I guess he will miss the trip to Aus then.
The musical chairs at hooker continues. A good chance for Keruru-Symes to show what he’s made of.
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@booboo does it really matter what we think?
As long as the teams and players are preparing as they would any match, then what we think is irrelevant...or are you saying they read TSF and take on board everything we say
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@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@booboo does it really matter what we think?
As long as the teams and players are preparing as they would any match, then what we think is irrelevant...or are you saying they read TSF and take on board everything we say
Nah. Just don't the way us fans talk down others.
It may be right, but I find it unedifying.
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@Canes4life If he shines still won’t get a contract for next year.
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@booboo said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I'm kind of worried that we rate ourselves (NZ teams) so highly and Aus teams so low.
But I've said that before and results continue to be one sided.
Me and you both boo, I not sure the Aussie teams are bad as some of us think, especially Reds and Brumbies.
Tahs are also much improved on last year. Tahs scored plenty of points last year vs Kiwi teams they just couldn't defend. Their defence this year is much better.
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@KiwiMurph agree. I think 3 Aussie teams are well capable of a win or more.
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I can see the Reds taking this one
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The reds show a clinical desperation that nearly always pulls them through close contests. There is enough strike power in Brumbies and Waratahs too so any NZ team off their best could easily lose to any of those 3.
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'Looking forward to it': How Reds plan to stun Hurricanes in Super Round
The Reds have switched gears to prepare for their Super Round clash with the Hurricanes in Melbourne this weekend.
Their defence needs to be a lot better than 2021.
Average score in the SR TT for them was 25-42. They were scoring enough points to be competitive but were very leaky
Reds in SR TT last year:
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Reds paying 3.60 head to head
Tab offering an 8.5 point start
I agree Canes should be favourites but those odds seem too far in their favour
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@booboo said in Hurricanes v Reds:
I'm kind of worried that we rate ourselves (NZ teams) so highly and Aus teams so low.
I remember last season a few across the ditch were warning NZ fans to not underestimate Aussie sides before the TT comp - the standard had improved, they'd turned a page, it was going to be their year, etc.. etc.. it sounded pretty familiar to another contest (Bledisloe).
In all seriousness, I think the Reds should be better equipped to compete in the physical contest with our NZ sides after their experience last year, Thorn has been saying they've been building to attempt to try & match the physicality of the NZ sides.
The Brumbies have naturally been more successful at competing with NZ teams in recent times due to Laurie Fisher & Dan McKellar, together they are excellent forwards & breakdown coaches with understanding of how to counter our style of play and disrupt our rhythm.
The teams to make the top 8 will be: Blues, Reds, Crusaders, Brumbies, Hurricanes, Chiefs, Waratahs, Highlanders.
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Reds paying 3.60 head to head
Tab offering an 8.5 point start
I agree Canes should be favourites but those odds seem too far in their favour
As per usual, it depends what Canes team turns up / is selected.
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Reds
Harry Hoopert, Richie Asiata, Taniela Tupou, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Connor Vest, Fraser McReight, Harry Wilson, Tate McDermott (c), Lawson Creighton, Filipo Daugunu, Hamish Stewart, Hunter Paisami, Suliasi Vunivalu, Jock Campbell
Reserves: Matt Faessler, Dane Zander, Feao Fotuaika, Lopeti Faifua, Angus Scott-Young, Kalani Thomas, Josh Flook, Mac Grealy
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