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    • mariner4life
      mariner4life last edited by Duluth

      And so Origin week arrives.

      First lets get all your bullshit out of the way casuals who don't care but cant stay out of the thread anyway
      Bogans
      Phil Gould
      blah blah

      Buildup has been strangely quiet, but now that the weekend's NRL is over perhaps ramp up a bit?
      Teams look pretty even actually this year, and i expect a much closer contest

      The coaches are interesting. Fittler is in his 5th series, and has a good record, winning 3 of 4 series. That said, last year was a fucking gimme, and he has lost a series to a terrible Qld side.
      Slater has no coaching experience at all. Qld are basing his appointment on a long and incredible Origin playing career, and the hope he learnt heaps off Bellamy.

      I think the biggest news is, if you get cited for foul play in Origin, you now get a fine not a suspension. This has been officially excused as being so the clubs aren't inconvenienced by rep suspensions. But i reckon it's basically the NRL trying to get the biff back in to Origin. Punch on lads!

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        bayimports @mariner4life last edited by

        @mariner4life absolutely I agree its all about bringing back the an edgier game. Although I suspect it will be only for low level infringements.

        I agree I think its really even this year, a lot of the Queensland players are coming from teams that are doing well, so even rookies will have confidence.

        Personally I think Freddy isn't a good coach, but a reasonable motivator for a one off match, hence why I have no problem if he goes to the dogs to join Gus post Origin.

        Sure NSW favorites still, but only just, should be a great match

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        • mariner4life
          mariner4life @bayimports last edited by

          @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

          @mariner4life absolutely I agree its all about bringing back the an edgier game. Although I suspect it will be only for low level infringements.

          I agree I think its really even this year, a lot of the Queensland players are coming from teams that are doing well, so even rookies will have confidence.

          Personally I think Freddy isn't a good coach, but a reasonable motivator for a one off match, hence why I have no problem if he goes to the dogs to join Gus post Origin.

          Sure NSW favorites still, but only just, should be a great match

          agree with everything here. I hope it's a good game again, last year was all a bit shit

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          • mariner4life
            mariner4life last edited by

            is this the quietest Origin build up ever?

            No Gallen talking it up like he's trying to sell a fight
            Slater refusing to take the underdog tag and run with it
            Which has the run-on effect of no late mail about injury/illness in the camp
            No baiting across the border.
            It's almost, well, boring?

            Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

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            • ACT Crusader
              ACT Crusader last edited by ACT Crusader

              ‘WE NEED TO GET THE TAMENESS OUT OF ORIGIN’

              While there’s plenty of excitement about the 2022 series opener, there are also growing concerns about the relatively timid build-up to Origin in recent years.

              This shapes as an intriguing series because of the talent on both sides but there has been few, if any, shots fired between camps in the build-up to Game 1 — a stark contrast to the ‘wild days’ where the hatred across the border seemed to be genuine.

              NRL 360 co-host Paul Kent said a “gradual decline” in interest in the Origin product was becoming a serious problem — one the NRL has privately acknowledged — and called on the players to take responsibility for selling the occasion.

              “We need to get the tameness out of Origin. The players are so disciplined and so desperate not to cause any motivation to the opposition that was get the most boring lead-ups,” Kent said on NRL 360.

              “It’s time for the game to get out there and start selling itself again.

              “... Rugby league has got to stop assuming that people are always going to be there and that Origin is always going to be that game. It was built on the back of these wildcats from Queensland coming in with a pure hatred for NSW where whatever they said about NSW they didn’t give a rat’s arse whether the Blues cared about it or not.

              “They went after NSW and they set up the whole Origin mystique on the back of that.

              “Now you get the impression if they ran into each other in a restaurant they’d all walk over and say g’day and sit down and share a meal together.”

              It has become a bit like a 4th quarter of the NBA all-star game. Guys want to win and play harder, but they’re all mates and have a laugh afterwards on the field.

              Back in the day when it was easy to ‘hate the Broncos’ because 90% of the Qld Origin side played for them. It created this rivalry/animosity during the season amongst players and fans, that went up about 10 notches during Origin.

              Now a lot of them are team mates and it’s about their brand and what they post on the socials before and after the game….

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              • Rancid Schnitzel
                Rancid Schnitzel @ACT Crusader last edited by

                @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                ‘WE NEED TO GET THE TAMENESS OUT OF ORIGIN’

                While there’s plenty of excitement about the 2022 series opener, there are also growing concerns about the relatively timid build-up to Origin in recent years.

                This shapes as an intriguing series because of the talent on both sides but there has been few, if any, shots fired between camps in the build-up to Game 1 — a stark contrast to the ‘wild days’ where the hatred across the border seemed to be genuine.

                NRL 360 co-host Paul Kent said a “gradual decline” in interest in the Origin product was becoming a serious problem — one the NRL has privately acknowledged — and called on the players to take responsibility for selling the occasion.

                “We need to get the tameness out of Origin. The players are so disciplined and so desperate not to cause any motivation to the opposition that was get the most boring lead-ups,” Kent said on NRL 360.

                “It’s time for the game to get out there and start selling itself again.

                “... Rugby league has got to stop assuming that people are always going to be there and that Origin is always going to be that game. It was built on the back of these wildcats from Queensland coming in with a pure hatred for NSW where whatever they said about NSW they didn’t give a rat’s arse whether the Blues cared about it or not.

                “They went after NSW and they set up the whole Origin mystique on the back of that.

                “Now you get the impression if they ran into each other in a restaurant they’d all walk over and say g’day and sit down and share a meal together.”

                It has become a bit like a 4th quarter of the NBA all-star game. Guys want to win and play harder, but they’re all mates and have a laugh afterwards on the field.

                Back in the day when it was easy to ‘hate the Broncos’ because 90% of the Qld Origin side played for them. It created this rivalry/animosity during the season amongst players and fans, that went up about 10 notches during Origin.

                Now a lot of them are team mates and it’s about their brand and what they post on the socials before and after the game….

                I think social media, higher salaries, and other factors are probably more the reason for the declining interest than Broncos players in the Qld team. The hate and passion were there long before the Broncos came into being. The first SOO I watched in full was 1988. Not many Broncos in that team:
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                The players are different and society is different maybe? I legit had no clue this was even on today until this morning.

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                • Nepia
                  Nepia @mariner4life last edited by

                  @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                  Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

                  Here's hoping. Nah, I think it's fine for you blokes who want to watch, I just wish that it would get reevaluated and viewed below test footy.

                  Origin's footprint has been vanishing though even just since I've been living here. There's no marketing for it in Sydney at a time when the place is full with people due to Vivid. There used to be banners and I'd see promotions with Hindy and Fletch out and about. I haven't even seen an advertisement about it this year.

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                  • ACT Crusader
                    ACT Crusader @Nepia last edited by

                    @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                    Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

                    Here's hoping. Nah, I think it's fine for you blokes who want to watch, I just wish that it would get reevaluated and viewed below test footy.

                    Origin's footprint has been vanishing though even just since I've been living here. There's no marketing for it in Sydney at a time when the place is full with people due to Vivid. There used to be banners and I'd see promotions with Hindy and Fletch out and about. I haven't even seen an advertisement about it this year.

                    Origin likely gets more viewers around the world than some test match so would be challenging to place it below it or elevate tests.

                    Other than World Cups (and again they are a bit of a laugh), league tests don’t really mean much given it has been a club based focused sport for generations.

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                    • Nepia
                      Nepia @ACT Crusader last edited by

                      @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                      @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                      @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                      Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

                      Here's hoping. Nah, I think it's fine for you blokes who want to watch, I just wish that it would get reevaluated and viewed below test footy.

                      Origin's footprint has been vanishing though even just since I've been living here. There's no marketing for it in Sydney at a time when the place is full with people due to Vivid. There used to be banners and I'd see promotions with Hindy and Fletch out and about. I haven't even seen an advertisement about it this year.

                      Origin likely gets more viewers around the world than some test match so would be challenging to place it below it or elevate tests.

                      Other than World Cups (and again they are a bit of a laugh), league tests don’t really mean much given it has been a club based focused sport for generations.

                      That has coincided with the rise of origin and the NRL being all powerful. Test league used to be hugely popular.

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                      • Bovidae
                        Bovidae last edited by

                        I haven't watched a full origin game in the 2000s. Back in the late 1980s and 1990s it was must-see sport because of the characters involved and the biff. Now, I have little interest.

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                        • mariner4life
                          mariner4life @Nepia last edited by

                          @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                          @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                          @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                          Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

                          Here's hoping. Nah, I think it's fine for you blokes who want to watch, I just wish that it would get reevaluated and viewed below test footy.

                          Origin's footprint has been vanishing though even just since I've been living here. There's no marketing for it in Sydney at a time when the place is full with people due to Vivid. There used to be banners and I'd see promotions with Hindy and Fletch out and about. I haven't even seen an advertisement about it this year.

                          Origin likely gets more viewers around the world than some test match so would be challenging to place it below it or elevate tests.

                          Other than World Cups (and again they are a bit of a laugh), league tests don’t really mean much given it has been a club based focused sport for generations.

                          That has coincided with the rise of origin and the NRL being all powerful. Test league used to be hugely popular.

                          maybe the much vaunted "kangaroo tour" but all of my memories are the very few stirring NZ victories in between getting fucking pumped by Aus.

                          Now test league is an absolute joke, with every single team bar the poms being made up of Aussies who can find a link to the other nation somehow. And NZ losing guys who would once play for the kiwis, so we're shit too.

                          Origin started a decline with the rise of the QLd team that won every year, coinciding with the crackdown on the biff

                          At it's best, Origin was brutal football played with real passion. it was big hits, the softening up period, and the ever present chance of a stink
                          Now? it's basically like the Grand Final. Far more sanitised, far more corporate. Far more analytical. And the players probably didn't even grow up in the "hate" era. And look, it's lost some appeal.

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                          • NTA
                            NTA @mariner4life last edited by

                            @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                            And look, it's lost some appeal.

                            That's ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJN!!!! appeal you're talking about there.

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                            • mariner4life
                              mariner4life @NTA last edited by

                              @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                              @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                              And look, it's lost some appeal.

                              That's ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJN!!!! appeal you're talking about there.

                              now that you've got that out of your system

                              kindly fuck off.

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                              • NTA
                                NTA @mariner4life last edited by

                                @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                                @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                And look, it's lost some appeal.

                                That's ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJN!!!! appeal you're talking about there.

                                now that you've got that out of your system

                                kindly fuck off.

                                Yep. I'm spent.

                                You're right about the buildup tho. Tame.

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                                • mariner4life
                                  mariner4life @NTA last edited by

                                  @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                                  @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                  @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                                  @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                  And look, it's lost some appeal.

                                  That's ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJN!!!! appeal you're talking about there.

                                  now that you've got that out of your system

                                  kindly fuck off.

                                  Yep. I'm spent.

                                  You're right about the buildup tho. Tame.

                                  still, even without a build up, they've sold out Sydney which might be a first.

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                                  • NTA
                                    NTA @mariner4life last edited by

                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                    @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                    @NTA said in Origin 2022:

                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                    And look, it's lost some appeal.

                                    That's ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJN!!!! appeal you're talking about there.

                                    now that you've got that out of your system

                                    kindly fuck off.

                                    Yep. I'm spent.

                                    You're right about the buildup tho. Tame.

                                    still, even without a build up, they've sold out Sydney which might be a first.

                                    Long weekend coming up. More than a few would have taken Thursday-Friday off to get on the tins tonight.

                                    Gotta say it is a fairly cracking day for it.

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                                    • canefan
                                      canefan @Bovidae last edited by

                                      @Bovidae said in Origin 2022:

                                      I haven't watched a full origin game in the 2000s. Back in the late 1980s and 1990s it was must-see sport because of the characters involved and the biff. Now, I have little interest.

                                      Yup. Give me Geyer and Wally, broken staple guns, high shots and fisticuffs anyday. I don't sit down to watch Origin anymore, just check in from time to time while I'm watching something more interesting

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                                      • mariner4life
                                        mariner4life last edited by

                                        it is the ultimate excuse for midweek beers. And even without the biff, the standard of league is pretty amazing. Even in a one-sided affair, the shit that Latrell and Tommy Turbo served up last year was incredible to watch.

                                        And it can so often turn up a shock performance or result.

                                        I an see why it's hard to watch in NZ, with how late it always kicks off i would be asleep by then!

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                                        • ACT Crusader
                                          ACT Crusader @mariner4life last edited by

                                          @mariner4life some footy on a Wednesday night, I’ll take that any week! Will finish playing bball at about 8:30 come home, turn on the recording and fast forward all the breaks and eventually catch up to the live footage.

                                          It may have declined in terms of what the actual game brings and it’s not really as hyped by media types and the rivalry is largely sanitised, but I always look forward to it because I follow league.

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                                          • mariner4life
                                            mariner4life @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                            @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                                            @mariner4life some footy on a Wednesday night, I’ll take that any week! Will finish playing bball at about 8:30 come home, turn on the recording and fast forward all the breaks and eventually catch up to the live footage.

                                            It may have declined in terms of what the actual game brings and it’s not really as hyped by media types and the rivalry is largely sanitised, but I always look forward to it because I follow league.

                                            yep, i heartily agree

                                            but i have openly said what a Neanderthal i am. i miss the biff.

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                                            • MN5
                                              MN5 last edited by MN5

                                              It’s depressing when you switch on the radio and hear that a guy seven years your junior ( Billy Slater ) is a coach.

                                              Carn the Blues !!!!

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                                                bayimports last edited by

                                                These games still have great intensity, even if we don't have any biff. Although I suspect if Latrell was playing he would be doing a couple of dirty things.

                                                Still looking forward to this one, hopefully I have finished work by kick off

                                                and quality code (any code) midweek is always appreciated

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                                                • mariner4life
                                                  mariner4life @bayimports last edited by

                                                  @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

                                                  Latrell was playing he would be doing a couple of dirty things

                                                  class A grub.

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                                                  • Nepia
                                                    Nepia @mariner4life last edited by

                                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                    @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                                                    @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                                                    @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                    Origin fucking needs an edge or it will die.

                                                    Here's hoping. Nah, I think it's fine for you blokes who want to watch, I just wish that it would get reevaluated and viewed below test footy.

                                                    Origin's footprint has been vanishing though even just since I've been living here. There's no marketing for it in Sydney at a time when the place is full with people due to Vivid. There used to be banners and I'd see promotions with Hindy and Fletch out and about. I haven't even seen an advertisement about it this year.

                                                    Origin likely gets more viewers around the world than some test match so would be challenging to place it below it or elevate tests.

                                                    Other than World Cups (and again they are a bit of a laugh), league tests don’t really mean much given it has been a club based focused sport for generations.

                                                    That has coincided with the rise of origin and the NRL being all powerful. Test league used to be hugely popular.

                                                    maybe the much vaunted "kangaroo tour" but all of my memories are the very few stirring NZ victories in between getting fucking pumped by Aus.

                                                    Now test league is an absolute joke, with every single team bar the poms being made up of Aussies who can find a link to the other nation somehow. And NZ losing guys who would once play for the kiwis, so we're shit too.

                                                    Origin started a decline with the rise of the QLd team that won every year, coinciding with the crackdown on the biff

                                                    At it's best, Origin was brutal football played with real passion. it was big hits, the softening up period, and the ever present chance of a stink
                                                    Now? it's basically like the Grand Final. Far more sanitised, far more corporate. Far more analytical. And the players probably didn't even grow up in the "hate" era. And look, it's lost some appeal.

                                                    I loved those Kangaroo tour games and still loved seeing the Kiwis play (yeah probably more enjoyable against Great Britain than Oz as we were in with a shot in those games).

                                                    What's most annoying is that we're in an era when we can compete with the Kangaroos regularly and we barely get to play them.

                                                    Like I said, all good for you guys who enjoy watching it - but is the biff a bit exaggerated or is my memory faulty? Even from my days of intensely watching it I only really remember Geyer and Lewis. But I remember most of the big stuff from that era as it had a bunch of my favourite players - essentially all from NSW (Daley, Clyde, Lyons etc) and Steve Renouf.

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                                                    • mariner4life
                                                      mariner4life @Nepia last edited by

                                                      @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                                                      What's most annoying is that we're in an era when we can compete with the Kangaroos regularly and we barely get to play them

                                                      we really are not. We are not even close.

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                                                        bayimports @mariner4life last edited by bayimports

                                                        @mariner4life maybe we were before the emergence of Tonga as a league team but not since

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                                                        • mariner4life
                                                          mariner4life @bayimports last edited by

                                                          @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

                                                          @mariner4life maybe we were before our the emergence of Tonga as a league team but not since

                                                          most especially once Tonga and even Samoa became viable options, all those "kiwis" have chosen elsewhere.

                                                          There are still a couple of top draw kiwis, but there aren't a lot, especially in the main positions.

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                                                          • Nepia
                                                            Nepia @mariner4life last edited by

                                                            @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                            @Nepia said in Origin 2022:

                                                            What's most annoying is that we're in an era when we can compete with the Kangaroos regularly and we barely get to play them

                                                            we really are not. We are not even close.

                                                            I said compete, not win. You're from a bay team that doesn't win all the time like me so shouldn't need constant wins to maintain your support.

                                                            Also, isn't the Tongan thing is a bit over done. Outside of JT, Taukeiaho, and Fonua-Blake (who was basically a fairweather Kiwi anyway) who else would the Kiwis want to select this year that will run out for Tonga?

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                                                            • mariner4life
                                                              mariner4life last edited by

                                                              right now if we got within 30 i would be impressed

                                                              James Fisher Harris is almost the best prop in the game.
                                                              Joey Manu arguably the best centre (also the best looking)

                                                              She gets a bit bare after that. Hughes nailed on to one half spot.

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                                                              • ACT Crusader
                                                                ACT Crusader @mariner4life last edited by ACT Crusader

                                                                @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                                @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

                                                                @mariner4life maybe we were before our the emergence of Tonga as a league team but not since

                                                                most especially once Tonga and even Samoa became viable options, all those "kiwis" have chosen elsewhere.

                                                                There are still a couple of top draw kiwis, but there aren't a lot, especially in the main positions.

                                                                The Kiwis have barely an NRL level quality spine let alone one that can compete with the best of the best from OZ.

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                                                                  bayimports @ACT Crusader last edited by bayimports

                                                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Origin 2022:

                                                                  @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                                  @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

                                                                  @mariner4life maybe we were before our the emergence of Tonga as a league team but not since

                                                                  most especially once Tonga and even Samoa became viable options, all those "kiwis" have chosen elsewhere.

                                                                  There are still a couple of top draw kiwis, but there aren't a lot, especially in the main positions.

                                                                  The Kiwis have barely an NRL level quality spine let alone one that can compete with the best of the best from OZ.

                                                                  although we do have a good hooker who can play prop ha ha.... and I am not talking about Jazz

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                                                                  • Dice
                                                                    Dice @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    @mariner4life said in Origin 2022:

                                                                    @bayimports said in Origin 2022:

                                                                    @mariner4life maybe we were before our the emergence of Tonga as a league team but not since

                                                                    most especially once Tonga and even Samoa became viable options, all those "kiwis" have chosen elsewhere.

                                                                    And with so many Tongans and Samoans being brought up in Australia, those two teams are only going to get stronger.

                                                                    The pool of islander players in Australia is pretty impressive - even if the Kangaroos nab a few of them, there's still so much talent left over for the islands.

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                                                                    • Nepia
                                                                      Nepia last edited by

                                                                      Ya bloody pessimists. I'm always confident ... for the first 5 minutes at least.

                                                                      Ah well, enjoy your Aussie lovefest tonight - I might watch the highlights over breakfast on that dud Kayo app so I can rejoin the thread tomorrow and pretend to have a clue what I'm talking about.

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                                                                      • mariner4life
                                                                        mariner4life last edited by

                                                                        8.12

                                                                        Still no kick off

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                                                                        • Tim
                                                                          Tim @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                          @mariner4life Australia needs to have a national conversation about starting footy games on time.

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                                                                          • Tim
                                                                            Tim last edited by

                                                                            The ball is in play so much more in League.

                                                                            How good would Sotutu be in the NRL.

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                                                                            • Tim
                                                                              Tim last edited by

                                                                              No time to post from your phone.

                                                                              Game needs some proper biff though.

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                                                                              • Tim
                                                                                Tim last edited by

                                                                                Well taken try, but goal line defence is weak by union standards. Not surprising given how much quicker this game is - players must be quite a bit smaller.

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                                                                                • Tim
                                                                                  Tim last edited by

                                                                                  Game is way faster, but quite a lot less physical. Hits on defence aren't impressive. Kicking game is relatively poor too.

                                                                                  Overall, very repetitive and becomes boring pretty quickly.

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                                                                                  • Tim
                                                                                    Tim last edited by Tim

                                                                                    Handling was very good, very few offloads though.

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