Ireland tour to NZ 2022
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Five matches in store, with uncapped players, experienced pros and ageing stars lined up for both sides.
Andy Farrell has just announced his enlarged travelling squad of 40 players with a few expected players missing out through injury. The club season is finished for the Irish provinces with both Leinster and Ulster being defeated by the Stormers and Bulls last weekend.
Farrell's final squad selection now has a bit more time for recovery as they plan to leave Ireland next week in prep for their first match against NZ Maori on 29 June.
Backs (18) Bundee Aki, Harry Byrne, Joey Carbery, Craig Casey, Keith Earls, Ciaran Frawley, Jamison Gibson Park, Mack Hansen, Robbie Henshaw, James Hume, Hugo Keenan, Jordan Larmour, James Lowe, Michael Lowry, Conor Murray, Jimmy O’Brien, Garry Ringrose, Johnny Sexton (capt)
Forwards (22) Ryan Baird, Finlay Bealham, Tadhg Beirne, Jack Conan, Gavin Coombes, Caelan Doris, Tadhg Furlong, Cian Healy, Dave Heffernan, Iain Henderson, Rob Herring, Jeremy Loughman, Joe McCarthy, Peter O’Mahony, Tom O’Toole, Andrew Porter, Cian Prendergast, James Ryan, Dan Sheehan, Nick Timoney, Kieran Treadwell, Josh van der Flier.
Robert Balacounne, Andrew Conway, Jack Carty, Dave Kilcoyne, Chris Farrell and Ronán Kelleher have been ruled out of the Tour through injury.
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Hey dude, great post and thank you for that.
Could you please seperate the squad list by position, and highlight the ones who dominated us last year?
Bonus points for who you think will be the XV or XXIII for the first test.
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I had grave fears for this tour, but I'm somewhat more confident now.
A few key players have really stood up recent in the NZ squads and Leinster then looked completely wiped out vs the Bulls in their semi-final. I think they may struggle a bit.
Worryingly though, I think this puts us back on more of an even keel than Ireland being favourites!
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So full complement to pick from
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@Tim said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Hey dude, great post and thank you for that.
Could you please seperate the squad list by position, and highlight the ones who dominated us last year?
Bonus points for who you think will be the XV or XXIII for the first test.
Thanks Tim. I’ll do the separation when I’m sat at a laptop in a little while. And I’ll indicate who played last test. Kelleher was one of them and scored a try IIRC but is out through injury. Conway is another also out through injury.
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@MiketheSnow said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
So full complement to pick from
Nearly. Kelleher and Conway will be missed.
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@MajorRage said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
I had grave fears for this tour, but I'm somewhat more confident now.
A few key players have really stood up recent in the NZ squads and Leinster then looked completely wiped out vs the Bulls in their semi-final. I think they may struggle a bit.
Worryingly though, I think this puts us back on more of an even keel than Ireland being favourites!
Ireland favourites on a NZ tour????
I’ve heard everything now.
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@Derm-McCrum said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MajorRage said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
I had grave fears for this tour, but I'm somewhat more confident now.
A few key players have really stood up recent in the NZ squads and Leinster then looked completely wiped out vs the Bulls in their semi-final. I think they may struggle a bit.
Worryingly though, I think this puts us back on more of an even keel than Ireland being favourites!
Ireland favourites on a NZ tour????
I’ve heard everything now.
I’m still getting over the 60-0 whimpering.Isn't it 3 from the last 5? Last match was green domination.
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@MajorRage said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Derm-McCrum said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MajorRage said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
I had grave fears for this tour, but I'm somewhat more confident now.
A few key players have really stood up recent in the NZ squads and Leinster then looked completely wiped out vs the Bulls in their semi-final. I think they may struggle a bit.
Worryingly though, I think this puts us back on more of an even keel than Ireland being favourites!
Ireland favourites on a NZ tour????
I’ve heard everything now.
I’m still getting over the 60-0 whimpering.Isn't it 3 from the last 5? Last match was green domination.
Well yes, and 3 from the last 6, 7, 10, 20.....
Except wins at home or in neutral territory.
On NZ's home patch is a different kettle of fish.
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Ireland NZ Tour squad by position:
*=played in last NZ test; ^=uncappedCentres - Bundee Aki*, Ciaran Frawley^, Robbie Henshaw, James Hume, Garry Ringrose*
Out-halves - Johnny Sexton* (capt), Harry Byrne, Joey Carbery*
Scrum-halves - Craig Casey, Jamison Gibson Park, Conor Murray*
Wingers - Keith Earls*, Mack Hansen, Jordan Larmour, James Lowe*, Jimmy O’Brien^
Full-backs - Hugo Keenan*, Michael LowryProps TH - Finlay Bealham*, Tadhg Furlong*, Tom O’Toole^
Props LH - Cian Healy*, Jeremy Loughman^, Andrew Porter*,
Hookers - Dave Heffernan, Dan Sheehan, Rob Herring*
Locks - Ryan Baird, Tadhg Beirne*, Iain Henderson*, Joe McCarthy^, James Ryan* Kieran Treadwell
Backrows - Peter O’Mahony*, Cian Prendergast^, Nick Timoney,, Josh van der Flier*, Jack Conan*, Gavin Coombes, Caelan Doris* -
2 July First test guess:
15-1:
Keenan, Lowe, Ringrose, Henshaw, Hansen, Sexton, Gibson-Park
Conan, vdF, Doris, Henderson, Beirne, Furlong, Sheehan, PorterReps: Herring, Healy, O'Toole, Ryan, O'Mahony, Murray, Carbery, O'Brien
29 Jun - First match vs Maori guess:
Lowry, Earls, Hume, Aki, Larmour, Frawley, Casey
Coombes, Prendergast, Timoney, Baird, McCarthy, Bealham, Heffernan, Loughman
Reps: Herring, Healy, O'Toole, Treadwell, O'Mahony, Murray, H Byrne, Larmour -
@Derm-McCrum Thanks Derm, fantastic to have your knowledge, feel free to invite other Irish supporters, I look forward to your insight and thoughts pre and post games.
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@chimoaus said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Derm-McCrum Thanks Derm, fantastic to have your knowledge, feel free to invite other Irish supporters, I look forward to your insight and thoughts pre and post games.
Second that. Great to get an Irish perspective from a knowledgeable Irish rugby supporter like @Derm-McCrum
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@chimoaus said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Derm-McCrum Thanks Derm, fantastic to have your knowledge, feel free to invite other Irish supporters, I look forward to your insight and thoughts pre and post games.
Second that. Great to get an Irish perspective from a knowledgeable Irish rugby supporter like @Derm-McCrum
+1 @Derm-McCrum it is great to have Irish perspective , and one of great joys of rugby to me is always to hear how others see what's happening etc. And we all tend to look at games from the point of view of our team, so Irish view will be most interesting as I may not find any to have a beer with before games (which I normally do on way to game), I going to first Maori game and Wellington test and will be watching for Irish jerseys in pubs then too.
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Cheers for the greetings, all. Haven't been back here in a while.
Was just checking my historic posts on here on the last time Ireland played NZ at home. Thankfully, the Fern data only goes back to Nov 2012 - my memories and commentary on the 3 test series has been wiped from memory.
Not sure if other Irish fans will turn up here, but I'll try nudge a few from other fora.
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@Derm-McCrum what happened to that big midfielder Stuart McClosky ?
He looked to have the goods but seems to be out of favour.
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@Derm-McCrum said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Cheers for the greetings, all. Haven't been back here in a while.
Was just checking my historic posts on here on the last time Ireland played NZ at home. Thankfully, the Fern data only goes back to Nov 2012 - my memories and commentary on the 3 test series has been wiped from memory.
Not sure if other Irish fans will turn up here, but I'll try nudge a few from other fora.
Welcome back Mr Hale!
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Welsh perspective
The Irish boys look knackered
If they can recharge prior to the first test they could nick it
Otherwise 3-0 to NZ
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@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
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@MN5 said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Derm-McCrum what happened to that big midfielder Stuart McClosky ?
He looked to have the goods but seems to be out of favour.
McCloskey just seems to never have grabbed head coaches' interest. He's been playing really well alongside newbie, James Hume, this season, but still not enough. I think only an injury to one of the selected midfielders would get him into the frame.
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@Chris-B said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
Think Mike could be right though. Leinster look like they are exhausted. They've come up short in both club comps, and the La Rochelle defeat really looks like it's taken the wind out of the their sails. Ulster lost by a 6 minutes into the red conversion in their semifinal. Munster got derailed somewhat with the news of van Graan's departure and seemed to lose their way after that with some harsh defeats. Connacht started season well and then got overwhelmed once again.
Farrell & Co are going to need to work some magic to get them to gel again. His decision to use a lot of the Leinster players in the Ireland team may come back to haunt him on this tour if their cohesion and spirit is damaged.
The first test is probably their best chance to nick a win, but I don't see it happening.
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@Chris-B said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
Part of it was playing at the end of a long year, but we were very poor in the forwards anyway, Ireland were much better there so controlled the match... the key area for the ABs is the breakdown area where most of the possession is contested, in the first test we've got to be very aggressive at the breakdown from the start, have solid set pieces & hopefully our playmakers at halfback & 1st-five make good decisions.
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@NZbloke said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Chris-B said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
Part of it was playing at the end of a long year, but we were very poor in the forwards anyway, Ireland were much better there so controlled the match... the key area for the ABs is the breakdown area where most of the possession is contested, in the first test we've got to be very aggressive at the breakdown from the start, have solid set pieces & hopefully our playmakers at halfback & 1st-five make good decisions.
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If Ireland win one test it will be massive for them. They won't win playing Leinster gameplan. They need to play physical, dominate 1st phase and defense like demons for 80 mins.
This ain't a home series with 60,000 Irish supporters behind them.
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Beauden Barrett, Man of the Series
You heard it here first
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@MiketheSnow said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Beauden Barrett, Man of the Series
You heard it here first
And only
Aoane, Sotutu or Taukieaho.
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@MiketheSnow said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Beauden Barrett, Man of the Series
You heard it here first
Will Jordan
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Beauden Barrett, Man of the Series
You heard it here first
Will Jordan
He'll be the recipient of others skill
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@Machpants said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Derm-McCrum said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
Cheers for the greetings, all. Haven't been back here in a while.
Was just checking my historic posts on here on the last time Ireland played NZ at home. Thankfully, the Fern data only goes back to Nov 2012 - my memories and commentary on the 3 test series has been wiped from memory.
Not sure if other Irish fans will turn up here, but I'll try nudge a few from other fora.
Welcome back Mr Hale!
Pot Hale?
But yes Enjoy the return of @Derm-McCrum . I like as many Johnny foreigner we can get joined in, so we can all call each other names when we feel hard done by.
As an example the Crew from the 2005 Lions was awesome.
Stick around Derm, and drag in your compatriots. Look forward to the debate
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@Crucial said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@NZbloke said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Chris-B said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
Part of it was playing at the end of a long year, but we were very poor in the forwards anyway, Ireland were much better there so controlled the match... the key area for the ABs is the breakdown area where most of the possession is contested, in the first test we've got to be very aggressive at the breakdown from the start, have solid set pieces & hopefully our playmakers at halfback & 1st-five make good decisions.
You're teasing an experimental AI.
5 months of cliched comments, regurgitated drunken-pub-rugby/cricket-commentary, and bland... nothingness... just ... let it go. There there, yes... win the breakdown, earn the right to send it out wide, yes, yes... discipline at the crease, leave the good balls, hit the bad balls, yes, yes, ... well done everybody.
(And... to be fair... it's great. It's kinda cool having those blank spaces when reading a thread... it's kinda like a rest in the conversation when somebody's bint girlfriend insists on reading the horoscopes... before smiling, patting her on the head, and then continuing.) -
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Another Irish fan here. Can't wait for this tour to get underway.
Main worries for Ireland are lack of depth at loosehead, half back and out half. We have lots of good 9's in the Irish provinces to back up Gibson Park but Farrell insists on sticking with Conor Murray. Then there's Casey who can be too impulsive and resorts to box kicking too often like Murray. If Sexton gets Injured we're gone.
A few Irish names for kiwis to look out for during the series that you might not be familiar with:
Dan Sheehan - hooker. 23 year old who has been starting for Leinster since Kellehers injury. Massive unit, very physical and accurate with his throws. Himself and Kelleher (who is out injured) are two of the most promising young lads in Irish rugby.
Gavin Coombes - 8. At 24 he's been in and around the squad for a while but yet to crack the first XV due to injuries. Another big lad at 6'6" and a very dynamic ball carrier.
James Hume - centre. Arguably most in form centre in Ireland. He's been Ulster's best player for much of the season.
Jordan Larmour - wing/fullback. Very elusive runner, his change of pace and footwork send a lot of would be tacklers to the floor - well worth a quick YouTube.
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of course i want us to win, win well, and show serious improvement in a number of areas
But by fuck it will be good for the World Cup if the Irish go real well here. Take one test, and the other two are a shitfight. And that oges equally for France and England on their tours.
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@Ludraman excited to see the newer lads, especially some outside backs with promise. My view from afar was the Irish team lacked the talent out wide to capitalise on their dominance in close, and that's why they don't pump more teams. They get a couple of really dangerous players in the wide channels and they could be anything.
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@Ludraman welcome aboard bro.
Interested by your comments about Coombes. Certainly looks an imposing player from what I’ve seen of him at Munster. Will they play him at no8 or lock?
Ireland loose forward play has been excellent over the last 3 years so will watching closely any of the new fellas and whether they go hard to the ball when it hits the deck like we have come accustomed to
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@Kruse said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Crucial said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@NZbloke said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@Chris-B said in Ireland tour to NZ 2022:
@MiketheSnow Hope they can (recharge)!
We need to know whether the boot was on the other foot last year when - despite the scoreboard - they inflicted one of the most comprehensive defeats I can remember.
We may have been running on fumes - but, also we may not have been.
Part of it was playing at the end of a long year, but we were very poor in the forwards anyway, Ireland were much better there so controlled the match... the key area for the ABs is the breakdown area where most of the possession is contested, in the first test we've got to be very aggressive at the breakdown from the start, have solid set pieces & hopefully our playmakers at halfback & 1st-five make good decisions.
You're teasing an experimental AI.
5 months of cliched comments, regurgitated drunken-pub-rugby/cricket-commentary, and bland... nothingness... just ... let it go. There there, yes... win the breakdown, earn the right to send it out wide, yes, yes... discipline at the crease, leave the good balls, hit the bad balls, yes, yes, ... well done everybody.
(And... to be fair... it's great. It's kinda cool having those blank spaces when reading a thread... it's kinda like a rest in the conversation when somebody's bint girlfriend insists on reading the horoscopes... before smiling, patting her on the head, and then continuing.)Shit - I only just saw the pile-on in the All Blacks 2022 thread. Now I kinda feel bad.
