Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2
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I like that back line. If TJP can dish out some quick ball it could be a fun night.
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Anyone else going? I grabbed a ticket last night and judging by the site it looks like a good crowd planning to go.
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The matchday 23 is as follows (Province/Super Rugby Club, and Iwi in brackets, debutants in bold).
1 Ollie Norris (Waikato/Chiefs/Ngāpuhi)
2 Kurt Eklund (Bay of Plenty/Blues/Ngāti Kahu)
3 Tyrel Lomax (Tasman/Hurricanes/Muaupoko/Ngāi Tūhoe)
4 Manaaki Selby-Rickit (Bay of Plenty/Highlanders /Ngāti Raukawa/Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
5 Isaia Walker-Leawere (Hawkes Bay/ Hurricanes/Ngāti Porou)
6 Reed Prinsep (Canterbury/Hurricanes/Te Rārawa)
7 Billy Harmon (Canterbury/ Highlanders/Ngāi Tahu)
8 Cullen Grace (Canterbury/Crusaders/Ngāti Whakaue/Ngāti Raukawa)
9 TJ Perenara© - Kāpene Paheko (Wellington/Hurricanes/Ngāti Rangitihi)
10 Josh Ioane (Otago/Chiefs/Te Rārawa)
11 Connor Garden-Bachop (Wellington/Highlanders/Ngāti Awa)
12 Alex Nankivell (Tasman/Chiefs/Ngāti Pikiao)
13 Bailyn Sullivan (Waikato/Hurricanes/Ngāti Kahungunu)
14 Shaun Stevenson (North Harbour/Chiefs/Ngāpuhi)
15 Josh Moorby (Northland/Hurricanes/Ngāti Maniapoto)16 Leni Apisai (Auckland/Ngāti Awa)
17 Tamaiti Williams (Canterbury/Crusaders/Ngāpuhi)
18 Marcel Renata (Auckland/Blues/Ngāti Whānaunga/Ngāi Takoto)
19 Max Hicks (Tasman/Highlanders/Ngāti Ranginui/Ngāi te Rangi)
20 Caleb Delany (Wellington/Hurricanes/Ngāti Tūwharetoa)
21 Brad Weber© - Kāpene Paheko (Hawkes Bay/Chiefs/Ngāti Porou)
22 Ruben Love (Wellington/Hurricanes/Te Atiawa)
23 Billy Proctor (Wellington/Hurricanes/Ngāi te Rangi/Ngāpuhi)Media release:
Māori All Blacks team named to face Ireland for second match in Wellington
The Māori All Blacks team has been named to play Ireland at Sky Stadium in Te Whanganui-a-Tara (Wellington) on Tuesday 12 July. Kick-off: 7.05PM NZST, live and exclusive on Sky Sport NZ.
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Gutted to see Apisai getting the bench spot. Thompson didn't get near enough minutes in the first game. Apisai is so average. Also disagree with Zarn Sullivan missing out. They should have dropped Ruben Love, who had a forgettable appearance in the first match.
After Weber started the first game, TJP was always going to get the start in this one.
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@Stargazer perhaps zarn is on all black watch strange he not in 23 unless he's picked up injury?
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@george33 which AB will he replace, didnt look like any injuries sustained to anyone he'd be in line to replace, have to assume its just good old fashioned rotation, more likely to be an injury.
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@taniwharugby not sure but why has he suddenly gone as most of other starting 23 included again and zarn was 1 of our best in first game can't remember him getting injured?
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@george33 Even if there was an injury in the ABs squad to a first-five, I doubt Zarn would get a call-up, considering he's not playing at 10 for the Blues. I think in case of emergency, they'd - rightly or wrongly - go for Josh Ioane. We've plenty of ABs who can play at fullback, so if the injury was to a fullback, I don't think they would bring someone new in for just one match.
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@Stargazer yeah true perofeta in squad also but just found it interesting why zarn missed out this week such a talent 15/10 best boot in nz to in my opinion
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@george33 I think @taniwharugby is right and this is just a stupid case of rotation. They just rotated the wrong player, because coaches fail to see he's a 10 who plays fullback (not the other way around).
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This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
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@KiwiMurph said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
I don't think this team is run like that. It's essentially a Baabass style team with all players being given a go.
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@Crucial Josh Moorby 1st Try scorer at the cake tin might just be too good to refuse, then again I've felt like a right idiot when the Irish have pounced first the last two Saturdays😭
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@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
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@Tim said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible. (Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just saying this is how I think the teams are directed).
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@Nepia said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible.
The idea of seeing as many players as possible I could get on board with if they didn't select no hopers like Prinsep and Apisai. Why not try Howden at 6? Another one who isn't even in the 23.
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There was always going to be some rotation. Who misses out across the 2 games? Nock might be the only player.
Interesting that Dickson isn't in the 23, so must still be with the ABs and/or baby-watch.
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@Bovidae Nocks partner had a baby last week, so will have been unavailble for part of the build up anyway...and with TJ & Webber, you wonder why they went to him knowing he'd possibly be unavailable (especially if she was overdue)
Was funny he re-posted a picture of himself training prior to the 1st Maori match, and his comment was 'foodbill'
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@taniwharugby Nock did lead the haka, so they put him to some use.
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Importantly:
Referee: Karl Dickson (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Jordan Way (RA)
TMO: James Leckie (RA) -
@KiwiMurph said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible.
The idea of seeing as many players as possible I could get on board with if they didn't select no hopers like Prinsep and Apisai. Why not try Howden at 6? Another one who isn't even in the 23.
Can't argue with that.
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@Tim said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
Well Baabaas play tier 1 teams, and do similar. I understand more or less as Nepia says that's how Maoris has always been picked whether we like it or not.
I can understand the angst of leaving out some of those bloody good performers from 1st game, but I think the Maoris should stick to how they normally do things really. Though I agree like to see Howden etc play, but I think also would depend on how things go in camp? -
Looking forward to this, there is no way a chucked together team which has social player selecting policies, and fucking Princep could be as much of a rabble as a team coached by foster. Few beers with the boys will help, too
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My assumption based on this team is that they've probably promised everyone selected in the Maori squad initially will get game time at some point, but I could be wrong.
That's why even though for example Zarn was superb in the first game, Josh Moorby has been handed the 15 jersey.
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@Canes4life said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
My assumption based on this team is that they've probably promised everyone selected in the Maori squad initially will get game time at some point, but I could be wrong.
McMillan says that:
“The first match was really special, with nine debutants up against Ireland and this week the remaining three debutant players get that same opportunity to represent not only the team but their whānau and their iwi.”
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Not looking great on the weather front.
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@Crucial it's one of the worst days we've had in a long time in Wellington today. Very windy and stormy out there at the moment, hopefully it dies down by kick off.
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@Canes4life said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Crucial it's one of the worst days we've had in a long time in Wellington today. Very windy and stormy out there at the moment, hopefully it dies down by kick off.
Yeah, I have come into work prepared to stay for the game with fingers crossed but if it stays like this I don't think I will be the only one to head home.
The weather will curtail the play so I don't expect to see the same entertainment as last game.
If there looks to be a few Irish supporters around there's always the option of joining any fun at a pub or the stadium concourse -
The worst of the rain should be over by kickoff, but you never know with Wellington. Shitty weather all around the country today.
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Shame that Zarn doesn't get another start. Would like to see how he goes again. Although moorby is a promising canes man so will still watch the FB performance with interest
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The Irish midfielder McCloskey goes alright.
Might not get to see tonight though, this weather is shite.
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@Bovidae said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
The worst of the rain should be over by kickoff, but you never know with Wellington. Shitty weather all around the country today.
Suppose to move form rain to light rain. It will likely still have an impact though
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Rain radar currently looking like the game may be played in a window between rain fronts. Ground will be very wet though.
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Looks to be barely 7500 spectators in tonight with big chunks of the ground not open,
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Good haka
Who's the dude in the front with the big hair?
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Bent into the 23 🤣
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@Higgins I wouldn't go if a got a ticket for free. The weather is horrendous.
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@nzzp Leni Apisai. I bet they put him in front because he looks the scariest haha.
Ireland Team Announced For Second Māori All Blacks Match
