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    O Captain! My Captain!

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    • MiketheSnow
      MiketheSnow last edited by Duluth

      In my experience as a player and a watcher, the best captains are either

      The hardest fluffybunny in the team
      The best player in the team, and the higher you go at least the best player in their position

      Every once in while, the stars align and the fella you follow is both

      Unfortunately, Cane is neither

      Discuss

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      • Paekakboyz
        Paekakboyz @MiketheSnow last edited by

        @MiketheSnow pre neck injury Cane was tough as nails. He's made an amazing comeback, and I know you can't go half-ass into contact at any level, let alone international rugby. But I wonder if he's just lost that tiny bit of confidence and that's 'all' it took to drop him back into the pack (pun intended).

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        • antipodean
          antipodean last edited by

          No one made more tackles in the last test. He also covered a lot of ground in attempting to clean up breaks.

          Is he in career best form? No, but he's setting the scene for effort and hence a talisman for the team.

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          • taniwharugby
            taniwharugby @antipodean last edited by taniwharugby

            @antipodean kinda agree, but let's says he isn't captain, he will unlikely be picked, do they move Savea to 7 or slot DP at 7?

            I think both those are likely to be better all round than how things are currently.

            Also I have started being less convinced of jis leadership.

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            • canefan
              canefan @antipodean last edited by

              @antipodean said in O Captain! My Captain!:

              No one made more tackles in the last test. He also covered a lot of ground in attempting to clean up breaks.

              Is he in career best form? No, but he's setting the scene for effort and hence a talisman for the team.

              He did have a good game. Missed the odd tackle, but might be a reflection of how hard he was pushing. Seemed to be first man to the breakdown many times. I can't help but wonder if him being there is holding back the potential for our back row to be more than it is right now

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                junior @Paekakboyz last edited by

                @Paekakboyz said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                @MiketheSnow pre neck injury Cane was tough as nails. He's made an amazing comeback, and I know you can't go half-ass into contact at any level, let alone international rugby. But I wonder if he's just lost that tiny bit of confidence and that's 'all' it took to drop him back into the pack (pun intended).

                IMO he’s simply lost that extra bit of power that made him that hard as nails guy we sorely lacked in crucial games (eg England in 2019).

                The endeavour is still there and he still gets about but his power in the contact has gone

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                • mariner4life
                  mariner4life last edited by

                  AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                  Discuss

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                  • Bovidae
                    Bovidae @antipodean last edited by

                    @antipodean said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                    No one made more tackles in the last test. He also covered a lot of ground in attempting to clean up breaks.

                    Is he in career best form? No, but he's setting the scene for effort and hence a talisman for the team.

                    Pretty much what Mils was saying on The Breakdown.

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                    • sparky
                      sparky @MiketheSnow last edited by sparky

                      @MiketheSnow It shows a certain fortitide to come back from a broken neck and still be able to play Test footy. Nothing wrong with his toughness.

                      My issue with Sam Cane is that he is no longer New Zealand's best 7. Dalton Papali'i is.

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                      • MiketheSnow
                        MiketheSnow @mariner4life last edited by

                        @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                        AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                        Discuss

                        Comedy Gold

                        But I'll play

                        Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                        What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

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                        • Toddy
                          Toddy last edited by

                          Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.

                          Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.

                          If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.

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                            African Monkey last edited by

                            I'm one of the very few fans of his and loves what he brings to the side. He does all the dirty work which frees up guys like Ardie to be used on attack. It sure is a thankless task the role he plays in the team. Put it this way, Ardie would not be as effective around the field without Cane there, and people suggesting that Ardie should just start at 7 are saying it with little thought as he would have to roll the sleeves up a lot more and play a much tighter role as he is virtually ineffective as a first contact defender and doesn't clean out rucks.

                            Never thought I'd say this, but I feel like Ardie and Cane together is slowly starting to work. A lot of turnovers that Ardie makes are off the back of Cane and Ioane/Frizell making first contact.

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                              Darth Sader @Toddy last edited by

                              I have a lot of respect for Same Cane, but Peter O’Mahoney wasn’t wrong.

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                                stodders @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                Discuss

                                Comedy Gold

                                But I'll play

                                Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

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                                • antipodean
                                  antipodean @stodders last edited by

                                  @stodders what do the other camera angles show?

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                                    gibbon rib @antipodean last edited by

                                    @antipodean said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                    @stodders what do the other camera angles show?

                                    Either they'll show his forearm magically elongating 50 cm and not in line with his upper arm like this one, or they'll show that some cheeky Saffa fan has been mucking around with the video editing software again

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                                    • MiketheSnow
                                      MiketheSnow @stodders last edited by

                                      @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                      @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                      @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                      AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                      Discuss

                                      Comedy Gold

                                      But I'll play

                                      Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                      What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                      Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                      Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                      We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

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                                        stodders last edited by

                                        @antipodean

                                        Not a great deal.

                                        Screenshot_20220814-120847.png

                                        AWJ wouldn't have had to grow an extra arm though. Can't see through Liam William's leg 🙂

                                        I'd like to know if AWJ frequents grassy knolls 🤣

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                                          stodders @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                          @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                          @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                          @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                          @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                          AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                          Discuss

                                          Comedy Gold

                                          But I'll play

                                          Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                          What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                          Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                          Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                          We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

                                          On that you would have a point. As has been discussed, the Boks like to flop.

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                                            junior @Darth Sader last edited by

                                            @Darth-Sader said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                            I have a lot of respect for Same Cane, but Peter O’Mahoney wasn’t wrong.

                                            Peter O’Mahony’s dig was not specific to Cane though was it ? We are all just shit compared to Richie McCaw

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                                            • Nepia
                                              Nepia @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                              @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                              The hardest fluffybunny in the team

                                              What do you mean by hardest fluffybunny? There wouldn't be many, if any, in the team harder than Cane.

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                                              • Bones
                                                Bones @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                                Discuss

                                                Comedy Gold

                                                But I'll play

                                                Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                                What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                                Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                                Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                                We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

                                                Oh the persecution!

                                                But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?

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                                                • MiketheSnow
                                                  MiketheSnow @Bones last edited by

                                                  @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                  @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                  @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                  @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                  @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                  AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                                  Discuss

                                                  Comedy Gold

                                                  But I'll play

                                                  Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                                  What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                                  Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                                  Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                                  We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

                                                  Oh the persecution!

                                                  But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?

                                                  It’s fact

                                                  The ref was wrong

                                                  End of

                                                  Move on

                                                  That doesn’t diminish the possible tactical advantage of finishing with AWJ rather than starting with him

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                                                  • MiketheSnow
                                                    MiketheSnow @Nepia last edited by

                                                    @Nepia said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                    @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                    The hardest fluffybunny in the team

                                                    What do you mean by hardest fluffybunny? There wouldn't be many, if any, in the team harder than Cane.

                                                    The act first, ask questions later type of hard fluffybunny

                                                    The Judge Dredd of the team

                                                    There’s no doubting Cane’s ‘tough as teak’ physical play & dogged commitment, but as I commented in the match thread different characters with different captaincy skills would have reigned RM in on punishment of a good hiding

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                                                    • Bones
                                                      Bones @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                      @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

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                                                      • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                        Rancid Schnitzel @Bones last edited by

                                                        @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                        @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

                                                        And who handed the ball to an opposition player....

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                                                        • MiketheSnow
                                                          MiketheSnow @Bones last edited by

                                                          @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                          @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

                                                          Your forwards did that, through continued hard graft.

                                                          And there’s nothing forwards hate more than their hard graft being wasted.

                                                          RM did some great things yesterday

                                                          But he also kept the game close when NZ should have been pulling away, either by running up his own arse or shipping shit ball to DH

                                                          DH with even less time & space unsurprisingly made massive errors

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                                                          • Bones
                                                            Bones @Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                            @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                            @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

                                                            And who handed the ball to an opposition player....

                                                            Yeah at least Beauden doesn't do that eh. Repeatedly. Behind the advantage line.

                                                            I hope we go with RM so that we can carry on losing, it really sucks seeing a functioning backline and players given space.

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                                                            • Bones
                                                              Bones @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                              @MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?

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                                                              • MiketheSnow
                                                                MiketheSnow @Bones last edited by

                                                                @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                @MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?

                                                                Exactly the same

                                                                And it was

                                                                He was dropped

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                                                                  pakman last edited by pakman

                                                                  Cane was bloody good in first half, even if he faded a bit in second. Fully justified selection.

                                                                  He combined well with Frizell, as I've previously noted.

                                                                  My hunch is that the most physical teams require a while to break down. Cane and Frizell were hard hitting and no frills in first half, with great back up from locks. That allowed Ardie to seagull, from which he can provide his flair.

                                                                  Cane covered lots of ground, in particular to be in position to score his try.

                                                                  That said, the way the game is going, forwards need to be swapped out by 55, including one loosie. With this team selection, Cane needs to be substituted at that point, engine drained. At that stage Ardie to 7 and Akira to 8.

                                                                  In theory, Ardie can take over arm band at that point, but certainly not the way ABs have traditionally worked with captaincy.

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                                                                  • Bones
                                                                    Bones @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                    @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                    @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                    @MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?

                                                                    Exactly the same

                                                                    And it was

                                                                    He was dropped

                                                                    After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉

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                                                                      junior @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                      @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                      AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                                                      Discuss

                                                                      Comedy Gold

                                                                      But I'll play

                                                                      Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                                                      What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                                                      Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                                                      Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                                                      We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

                                                                      Oh the persecution!

                                                                      But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?

                                                                      It’s fact

                                                                      The ref was wrong

                                                                      End of

                                                                      Move on

                                                                      That doesn’t diminish the possible tactical advantage of finishing with AWJ rather than starting with him

                                                                      England 2007 called and want their game plan back

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                                                                        junior @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                                        @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                        @Nepia said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                        @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                        The hardest fluffybunny in the team

                                                                        What do you mean by hardest fluffybunny? There wouldn't be many, if any, in the team harder than Cane.

                                                                        The act first, ask questions later type of hard fluffybunny

                                                                        The Judge Dredd of the team

                                                                        There’s no doubting Cane’s ‘tough as teak’ physical play & dogged commitment, but as I commented in the match thread different characters with different captaincy skills would have reigned RM in on punishment of a good hiding

                                                                        We just don’t have those characters in the team anymore - they all like each other too much and want to be liked as well. The only one who could come close to the guy who gives everyone a spray would be Whitelock, but even then he’s probably not free enough from sin to be dishing out steely eyed glances to his teammates when they fuck up

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                                                                          junior @Bones last edited by

                                                                          @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                          @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

                                                                          Both of these things can be true

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                                                                          • Bones
                                                                            Bones @junior last edited by

                                                                            @junior I was happy for him to be left to settle. First start in how long? Up against our age old foe and certainly achieving oodles more good than bad.

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                                                                            • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                                              Rancid Schnitzel @Bones last edited by

                                                                              @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                              @Rancid-Schnitzel said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                              @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                              @MiketheSnow be a really good idea to admonish your ten who has completely changed the effectiveness of your backline in one week and is helping provide the targets and go forward the team has been yearning for.

                                                                              And who handed the ball to an opposition player....

                                                                              Yeah at least Beauden doesn't do that eh. Repeatedly. Behind the advantage line.

                                                                              I hope we go with RM so that we can carry on losing, it really sucks seeing a functioning backline and players given space.

                                                                              Repeatedly might be a stretch eh.

                                                                              What I hope is that the forwards play like that again to actually get some go forward and lay a platform. It really sucks seeing that too.

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                                                                              • Crucial
                                                                                Crucial @Toddy last edited by

                                                                                @Toddy said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                Did our openside flanker really make the most amount of tackles on the team. Shit, that's a turnup for the books. I think I saw somewhere that Smith made the most passes. Cane also missed was it four or five? A few of those weren't attempts through desperation either just flat out bad misses. Can't fault his heart though or workrate.

                                                                                Cane has always seemed to me a great lieutenant, but not a captain. Though the only other player I can think of to captain the team would be Whitelock.

                                                                                If Cane can somehow recover his 2020 form I'd have him first down on the team sheet every day of the week.

                                                                                That is just so funny and so unobservant. Savea is quite obviously the heir apparent with full support from those around him. The players talk of him, Cane and Whitelock as their leaders and Whitelock seems quite happy to not take the on field arm-band.
                                                                                If there's one guy who is going to scream follow me and jump over the trenches guns blazing it is Ardie. Has that ability to increase the energy even after playing his guts out for 60 minutes.

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                                                                                • MiketheSnow
                                                                                  MiketheSnow @junior last edited by

                                                                                  @junior said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @stodders said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  @mariner4life said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                  AWJ has been an ordinary lock for probably 6 years but a good captain

                                                                                  Discuss

                                                                                  Comedy Gold

                                                                                  But I'll play

                                                                                  Better than ordinary lock, exceptional captain

                                                                                  What's interesting (to me at least) and which is working for Wales (except when shit referees YC him for nothing whatsoever) is starting with fitter and now better locks and bringing AWJ on at the business end of the match when clear heads and game management is needed.

                                                                                  Are you referring to this when you say "nothing whatsoever"?

                                                                                  Either Sir AWJ has the Force running through his body and can move the ball without touching it, or he got caught being a cheating fluffybunny 😉

                                                                                  We’ll just ignore the two prone Boks sealing off shall we?

                                                                                  Oh the persecution!

                                                                                  But yeah why not, if ABs are supposed to, then surely others can follow suit?

                                                                                  It’s fact

                                                                                  The ref was wrong

                                                                                  End of

                                                                                  Move on

                                                                                  That doesn’t diminish the possible tactical advantage of finishing with AWJ rather than starting with him

                                                                                  England 2007 called and want their game plan back

                                                                                  They got to a final (for the second time), which is more than we’ve achieved to date

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                                                                                  • MiketheSnow
                                                                                    MiketheSnow @Bones last edited by MajorRage

                                                                                    @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                    @MiketheSnow said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                    @Bones said in O Captain! My Captain!:

                                                                                    @MiketheSnow ok Mike, what do you think should have been said to Barrett the last 4 matches?

                                                                                    Exactly the same

                                                                                    And it was

                                                                                    He was dropped

                                                                                    After 3 losses....I spy something different 😉

                                                                                    If he can back this performance up with the same but without the brain farts and showboating I’ll be the first to laud him

                                                                                    And if he doesn’t learn and costs you a match you’ll hear me loud and clear

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