Argentina v Bokke 1
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Good start!
Argentina forced to move Springboks Test
Argentina have been forced to switch the venue for Saturday's Rugby Championship clash against South Africa.
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Is this Doleman's first test?
South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Jaden Hendrikse, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff
Replacements: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 Ox Nche, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Elrigh Louw, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Faf de Klerk, 22 Andre Esterhuizen, 23 Frans SteynDate: Saturday, September 17
Venue: José Amalfitani Stadium, Buenos Aires
Kick-off: 16:10 local (20:10 BST, 19:10 GMT)
Referee: James Doleman (NZR)
Assistant Referees: Damon Murphy (RA), Craig Evans (WRU)
TMO: Chris Hart (NZR) -
@Daffy-Jaffy looks like it's not.
Ref Watch: A novice performance that favoured Australia
James Doleman is a relatively new name on the international refereeing scene having made his debut last summer at the.
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Nienaber names unchanged starting team for Pumas clash
Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber named an unchanged starting team for their must-win Castle Lager Rugby Championship match against Argentina in Buenos Aires on Saturday, with the coach making only three changes to the replacements.
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15 Juan Cruz Mallia, 14 Emiliano Boffelli, 13 Matias Orlando, 12 Jeronimo de la Fuenta, 11 Lucio Cinti; 10 Santiago Carreras, 9 Gonzalo Bertranou, 8 Pablo Matera, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Juan Martin Gonzalez, 5 Tomas Lavanini, 4 Matias Alemanno, 3 Eduardo Bello, 2 Julian Montoya (c), 1 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
Reserves: 16 Agustin Creevy, 17 Thomas Gallo, 18 Joel Sclavi, 19 Guido Petti, 20 Rodrigo Bruni, 21 Tomas Cubelli, 22 Benjamin Urdapilleta, 23 Matias Moroni
Seven changes for Argentina as Cheika reacts to Hamilton hammering
Michael Cheika has made seven changes to his Argentina side as they look to remain in the Championship title race at home to the Springboks.
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Im far from confident going into this game.
I liked what i saw against Australia in the second game. We seemed to really simplify our game and moved away from the dogmatic "five phases and then kick" and bombsquad tactics. But. South Africa have put up a couple of really weak performances this season when they have gone into games as favourites.
I don't like the selections for this game, there are four inside centres in the squad and despite going with a 5 3 split any injury at the back (other than De Allende) will see multiple players out of position.
We also have 3 opensides for some reason. Marx will again have to play close on 80 min as Fourie isnt one of the top 10 hookers in the country.
Willemse is simply not a good enough kicker and Steyn as back up isnt much better. We could well lose this game because of that alone. We are paying thr price for not bringing in a another flyhalf into the squad, with Pollards form and Jantjies form and off field issues we looking at going to the world cup in a years time without a number 10.
Happy to Louw get a shot, his physicality can make a big impact.
Also fuck Jasper Wiese.
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@SidBarret komaan Siddie , you are way to negative. Willemse lack of kicking ability forced him to play attacking rugby and Pollard can get some tips on that alone. His stepping ability (beach touchies) is eye candy.
We need to score three more tries then the Pumas, so we'll need to attack full out. The more poachers the merrier.
It's go for broke or home tonight.
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Argies look fired up.
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Ref is utter crap
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@W32 said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Ref is utter crap
Plenty coming from assistants, Pumas just lacking discipline.
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Springbok game plan is working to perfection. Cheika must have something for this! Weird
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Games entertaining, offsides killing some nice moves...
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diabolical refereeing, not favouring either team, but terrible communication between the assistants, the TMO and the ref, and far too many penalties
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@Tordah said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
diabolical refereeing, not favouring either team, but terrible communication between the assistants, the TMO and the ref, and far too many penalties
Yes this is what WR should be watching and asking is this the product we want going forward. Watching AFL and League makes Rugby look pedestrian and pedantic.
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conceded penalties: ARG 16 - 13 SA after 72 minutes. Not including numerous advantages
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Who’s reffing?
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Referee: James Doleman (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Damon Murphy (Australia), Craig Evans (Wales)
TMO: Chris Hart (New Zealand)Argies with so many unforced errors and missed opportunities.
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@W32 to be fair, he didn’t favor either side. Just not confident at this level though. The whole officiating team for the match was not convincing at all
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Fuck what’s the third thing
Shit NZ team
Shit NZ refs
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@MiketheSnow said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Fuck what’s the third thing
Shit NZ team
Shit NZ refs
???shit NZ national rugby union team head coaches
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Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
Oh nothing wrong with the ref. He allowed the game to flow.
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@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
Oh nothing wrong with the ref. He allowed the game to flow.
33 penalties is letting the game flow???
Different definition of flow than I have 😂
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@Machpants said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
Oh nothing wrong with the ref. He allowed the game to flow.
33 penalties is letting the game flow???
Different definition of flow than I have 😂
DAYYYYYYYmon Murphy would not shut the fuck up. If I was Doleman I'd have turned off his mic.
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Also that last pass from Mapimpi for the Bok BP was a couple of metres forward - should have been scrum to Argies as the last play.
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@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
In the box seat I reckon. Chances of the Boks making up 13 pts in difference even if Nz also win is pretty good.
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@Crucial said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
In the box seat I reckon. Chances of the Boks making up 13 pts in difference even if Nz also win is pretty good.
ABs will win by a lot so boks after pushing uphill.
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@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@Crucial said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
In the box seat I reckon. Chances of the Boks making up 13 pts in difference even if Nz also win is pretty good.
ABs will win by a lot so boks after pushing uphill.
You said that about the last game, lol
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@Machpants said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@Crucial said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
In the box seat I reckon. Chances of the Boks making up 13 pts in difference even if Nz also win is pretty good.
ABs will win by a lot so boks after pushing uphill.
You said that about the last game, lol
Broken clock.
Plus: Eden Park after a close game in Australia. I've seen this script before.
Plus plus: I didn't expect the ABs to be quite that shit last week.
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@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Plus plus: I didn't expect the ABs to be quite that shit last week.
Have youw atched this side for teh last couple of years? Consistently inconsistent, mid table internationally, and unstructured shit being dished up
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@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@Machpants said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@Crucial said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Great win for the Springskoppe. That bonuspoint was much needed. Now for the grand final next week.
In the box seat I reckon. Chances of the Boks making up 13 pts in difference even if Nz also win is pretty good.
ABs will win by a lot so boks after pushing uphill.
You said that about the last game, lol
Broken clock.
Plus: Eden Park after a close game in Australia. I've seen this script before.
Plus plus: I didn't expect the ABs to be quite that shit last week.
You’re right. ABs by about 50.
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@NTA oh goodness don't come with the usual Aussie crap. I thought the yellow on Kwagga was harsh. But nevertheless if you want to be critical I think the ref was good.
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@OomPB said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
@NTA oh goodness don't come with the usual Aussie crap.
Go look at the video - it was forward. Mapimpi is a winger, as well as a ball hog, so you could forgive him for not knowing how to pass even at professional level.
I thought the yellow on Kwagga was harsh.
Agreed but the framework got in the way, and the refs have to rule on high contact. Once they decided it was high contact, they had no option but to go YC and Penalty Try.
But nevertheless if you want to be critical I think the ref was good.
I thought Doleman - the ref - was solid and consistent.
The issue I have is with one of the ARs - Daymon Murphy - who was constantly in Doleman's ear. He got a couple right but a few of them were marginal and had practically no effect on the game.
Daymon Murphy is Australian, just in case you want to call me out for "the usual Aussie crap".
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Boks also have the advantage of knowing what they need to do to win the championship.
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@NTA said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
DAYYYYYYYmon Murphy would not shut the fuck up. If I was Doleman I'd have turned off his mic.
If I had a drink every time he said "Mate" I would have been drunk by the end of the game.
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@DaGrubster said in Argentina v Bokke 1:
Boks also have the advantage of knowing what they need to do to win the championship.
Given the ABs will win by at least 30, Bokke will have to win by at least 44.
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@NTA well on yesterday performance the Springboks left a lot of points on the field. Playing at home they should play two halves like the first one yesterday.
But I think the All Blacks will smash the Wallabies by 50.
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What a weird game. I guess we won and but for the third quarter looked pretty comfortable, but it still felt unsatisfying somehow.
I probably need to watch it again (watched it in pub with maybe a beer too many), but i am struggling to think of anything we did well in this game. The scrum was poor, the discipline shocking (so many dumb penalties), the backline atrocious, yet somehow the win and the bonus point felt inevitable.
Individually the whole starting pack (except Jasper Wiese) was really good. Jaden Hendrikse is now comfortably first choice.
Both centers were a bit shit on attack, but good on defence.
The backthree didnt have much to but didnt fuck up either so that.
Louw was very good when he came on, very busy on defence and got an important turnover.
I know i shouldnt be so negative about the boks right now. They have won the the last two games away from home with bonus points and looked pretty comfortable doing it, all without a recognised flyhalf and arguably their two best backline players (Am and Kolbe), but doesnt "feel" like we are making progress.
Itll be interesting to see what happens next week at ten cause it looks like Willemse picked up a head injury. At this stage it looks like they will have go with Frans Steyn (though we could select Malherbe there for all the good it would do, they are the same shape afterall)
Ps - Fuck Jasper Wiese
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@SidBarret Hendrikse may have score a nice try but his kicks was very poor and he have a bit of White in him. Faf must play but he mustn't kick this saturday. Willemse was excellent on defense especially when we had yellows.
To be honest forget about the trophy, which will be a bonus At this moment I think we are in pole position towards the next WC of TRC countries. If we play well we can beat any team on a given day specially in France.
Ps I like Upington's Jasper Wiese. It's my birth town
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