Cheating
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Not sure we have a general topic for various general acts of skulduggery (my search revealed there's specific threads for cycling/doping - but I repeat myself, and for Russian doping). So I'll start one based on @Gibbit retweeting this...
Surprised the good ol' boys didn't beat them to a pulp.
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@booboo was just watching some of this today! Filthy fuckers aye. Lead weights and extra fillets stuffed in the fish. Apparently that guy (and his team?) won over 300k of stuff last year, with some folks saying they could have won waaaay more over the last few years.
Either their earlier cheating was more subtle or they got lucky, as I saw some posts where people were incredulous with the size of the fish and the weights claimed.The guys face aye, he knew he was fucked. Lucky he ain't sleeping with the fishes!
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Even Chess isn’t immune…..
Chess organization will investigate cheating allegations made by world champion Magnus Carlsen | CNN
An investigation is set to be launched in the wake of cheating allegations made by world chess champion Magnus Carlsen, FIDE -- the sport's global governing body -- announced on Thursday.
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@Paekakboyz said in Cheating:
@booboo was just watching some of this today! Filthy fuckers aye. Lead weights and extra fillets stuffed in the fish. Apparently that guy (and his team?) won over 300k of stuff last year, with some folks saying they could have won waaaay more over the last few years.
Either their earlier cheating was more subtle or they got lucky, as I saw some posts where people were incredulous with the size of the fish and the weights claimed.The guys face aye, he knew he was fucked. Lucky he ain't sleeping with the fishes!
I like what you did there
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Even Chess isn’t immune…..
An investigation is set to be launched in the wake of cheating allegations made by world chess champion Magnus Carlsen, FIDE -- the sport's global governing body -- announced on Thursday.
How are they cheating? Getting some sort of external messages?
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@booboo I've been on the case on this one to. Everything from phones in shoes to anal beads or cockrings with pulse technology! Pretty fucking wild for chess ha ha. AMS or DMS lol
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Even Chess isn’t immune…..
An investigation is set to be launched in the wake of cheating allegations made by world chess champion Magnus Carlsen, FIDE -- the sport's global governing body -- announced on Thursday.
How are they cheating? Getting some sort of external messages?
yep, engines are better than people - so any signals are good. The thing is though that cheating can just be 'important move pay attention' -- and you could signal that 2-3 times in a match by someone putting on a hat for instance.
Chess has a major cheating risk, this is just daylighting it.
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@Paekakboyz said in Cheating:
@booboo I've been on the case on this one to. Everything from phones in shoes to anal beads or cockrings with pulse technology! Pretty fucking wild for chess ha ha. AMS or DMS lol
This is all funny and true.
Chess is a fluffybunny of a game for a guy like me who has reached a ( low ) level and stayed there !
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I remember someone using a frozen snapper years ago to try and win some big fishing prize in NZ? It really is an interesting social science question as I believe the majority of humans will cheat if they think they will get away with it. From memory I listened to a podcast on this and in most studies it shows a clear tendency to cheat.
I suspect it comes down to a risk/reward question and if the reward is greater than the risk many people will take the risk.
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I remember someone using a frozen snapper years ago to try and win some big fishing prize in NZ? It really is an interesting social science question as I believe the majority of humans will cheat if they think they will get away with it. From memory I listened to a podcast on this and in most studies it shows a clear tendency to cheat.
I suspect it comes down to a risk/reward question and if the reward is greater than the risk many people will take the risk.
Dan Ariely has some fantastic experiments on this, basically explaining that it can become cultural to organizations. The best one is when they have the obvious cheater from your university or another (your university, cheating goes up), or another school (cheating goes down).
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I’ll just leave this here then…
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@Crucial and even after the replay Bill Lawry still said it was a “tumbling catch by Dyer”. Wasn’t a catch
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Are a lot of people liars generally?
Guys at my work talk about using their sick days.
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Not really cheating, but controversial enough I think, what are people's thoughts on the mankad? I'm generally pro, and definitely if the bowler has given a warning or two.
I see Mitchell Starc is suggesting calling it one short if the non striker leaves their crease before the ball leaves the bowlers hand so if the run a single they don't get it, if they run two it's only one etc. I quite like that solution. I think some of the backing up at the death is just taking the piss now so it's either that or mankad everyone.
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@Cyclops I think it's perfectly fine to mankad a batsman trying to gain advantage by leaving his crease. It's in the rules for a reason. What's next, you have to be caught one handed?
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Not really cheating, but controversial enough I think, what are people's thoughts on the mankad? I'm generally pro, and definitely if the bowler has given a warning or two.
I see Mitchell Starc is suggesting calling it one short if the non striker leaves their crease before the ball leaves the bowlers hand so if the run a single they don't get it, if they run two it's only one etc. I quite like that solution. I think some of the backing up at the death is just taking the piss now so it's either that or mankad everyone.
We mankaded the fuck out of opposition teams when I played indoor cricket. Perfectly acceptable and within the rule book. If you abolish them you may as well abolish run outs too.
A fluffybunny of a way to get out sure, but easily avoidable.
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Not really cheating, but controversial enough I think, what are people's thoughts on the mankad? I'm generally pro, and definitely if the bowler has given a warning or two.
I see Mitchell Starc is suggesting calling it one short if the non striker leaves their crease before the ball leaves the bowlers hand so if the run a single they don't get it, if they run two it's only one etc. I quite like that solution. I think some of the backing up at the death is just taking the piss now so it's either that or mankad everyone.
Don't give the umps more to look at and place run calling in their hands.
I don't see the issue with a Mankad. It is quite clear that if you leave the crease you are open to being run out. No different to a stumping IMO.
If bowlers want to give the runner and ump a warning that they will do it that is ttally up to them but in the days of challenging calls and not walking, I don't see that Mankad-ing should be a problem at all.
The only thing I wouldn't like to see is bowlers trying it on to disrupt the flow of a game and the batters concentration. Maybe you only get one attempt at it per batter? -
There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.
This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken
England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.
I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride
from 6:02
MCC Issued a statement:
MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT. This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022. This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball. -
Mrs M son and his partner are both elite runners (10k+).
When watching events on TV they will talk quite casually about which runner is cheating and how they are doing it. Going to training camps for close medical supervision is the favourite apparently, along with periods of injury and recovery.
According to them, a certain well-known British Marathon champion is well known in athletics circles to be as bent as a dog's hind leg, but is protected by money and lawyers.
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There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.
This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken
England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.
I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride
from 6:02
MCC Issued a statement:
MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT. This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022. This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball.Fuck England and their fans.
What next ? Do you bowl someone out but then call them back to the crease and fix up their shattered stumps because “that was just a warning?”
Something like this is different though, quite interesting if anyone can be bothered reading.
I think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA
Tony Greig infamously runs out Alvin Kallicharran at Port of Spain in 1974
Tony Greig s run-out of Alvin Kallicharran almost resulted in a riot at Port of Spain.
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think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA
FYB!
if anyone needs to trigger @MN5 just call him a Brad Haddin fan
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@NTA I wonder how Virgil is doing these days
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I think the English team were right to withdraw their appeal, Australia sure wouldn’t aye @NTA
TBF to England, they have always struck me as a bit more moral and sporting than most on the cricket field than most. Apart from the "Dirt in my pocket" Atherton era
I recall Atherton refusing to allow an opposition player to return to bat (injury or replacement or something) when it was considered good sportsmanship to do so. He was absolutely pilloried by the English press for his actions.
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There was a bit of a hoo-hah when India beat England at Lords last month to win the ODI Series on a Mankad.
This was the distance the non striker was out of her crease when the stumps were broken
England fans and pundits got all hot under the collar because it was 'against the spirit of the game' as no warning had been given.
I tend to agree that this Mankad was a bit beyond the pale as the non-striker wasn't really out of her crease until the bowler was in her delivery stride
from 6:02
MCC Issued a statement:
MCC THIS YEAR ANNOUNCED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAWS OF CRICKET TO MOVE BEING RUN OUT AT THE NON-STRIKER'S END, FROM LAW 41 UNFAIR PLAY, TO LAW 38 RUN OUT. This change will formally come into effect from 1 October 2022. This was done to clarify this matter and to place an onus on batters to ensure that they do not leave the crease at the non-striker’s end, prior to a bowler releasing the ball.There's also this still image of the build up to the dismissal too...
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I like the warning and then out with run not counting.
Takes away whatever advantage you got and then can be no room for complaint.
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I just can’t believe it is as big an issue as it is. If you’re out of your crease you’re out.
Even at the shitty level I played at we were warned to back up but have the bat down right until the ball leaves the bowlers hand.
I also imparted this wisdom when I coached my boys team a couple of years back. It shouldn’t be hard.
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Former world number one Halep provisionally suspended for doping
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Two-times major winner Simona Halep of Romania has been provisionally suspended after testing positive for the banned blood-booster roxadustat, the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) said on Friday.
