Sportswashing
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what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
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@mariner4life said in Sportswashing:
what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
I think you've started and finished the thread in a single post. What else is there to say?
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I’d love it if SBW was available to comment
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@mariner4life the netball one is laughable given they are financially on their knees and Gina has a massive reputation of getting in behind struggling sport (see OZ swimming where she has pumped in millions).
It's selective too because let's not forget that there were plenty lauding the Commonwealth Bank for getting behind the Matildas and womens soccer here. Was there collective amnesia from the banking royal commission...
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I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
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@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@mariner4life said in Sportswashing:
what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
I think you've started and finished the thread in a single post. What else is there to say?
fair point
i meant to make this thread a couple of months back where i kept reading article after arcticle on how we shouldn't let the fact that City are good at football distract us from teh fact the middle east hates the gays and shit
and i kept thinking "does anyone actually do that?" it just seemed a weird argument to make
but then this week we get the netballers (who should be grateful for every cent they can get) and the crickets stand up against...
energy and mining companies? the fuck?
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@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
you know what, and if they come out against Sportsbet i would have a modicum of sympathy for their stance. An energy makes this just a little harder to get behind.
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@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
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Sporting folks are good at sport.
Everything else they say is irrelevant.
Laughable to take a stand at energy companies given the travel schedule of your average pro sportsperson.
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@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in australia
well it was a criminal colony
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@mariner4life said in Sportswashing:
what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
Top post Mariner.
Would love to add but seems you have covered it all nicely.
I know we on The Fern lean somewhat toward GOM opinions about these social justice issues, but I'd love to have the alternative viewpoint put forward for discussion.
Chances are we'd pile in to that person when they put forward said opinion, but I'd like to understand their position.
You kind of have to admire a Twenty-something's passion for a cause they haven't thought through.
BTW the kick ball cup shouldn't have gone to tyrannical police states that murder their own citizens. Or Qatar.
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@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
Climate crusader Pat Cummins drives polluting SUV & flies first class
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
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@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Ha fucking ha
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@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
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Is it still sportswashing when the said energy company sponsor sticks with the team during the period when the captain, vice-captain and opening batsman are all suspended and the coach and CEO are forced to walk?
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@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
Private jet
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@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
I had the same reaction, then thought maybe you could fit 3-4 economy seats into that space?
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@MiketheSnow said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
Private jet
Private jet I get from an emissions per passenger / per kg moved perspective - does that logic apply to first class?
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@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
It’s what’s happening in first class, all the extras (seating, food service, slippers, PJs etc), the “carbon footprint” all adds up.
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@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
I had the same reaction, then thought maybe you could fit 3-4 economy seats into that space?
Depends which airline I guess
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@junior said in Sportswashing:
@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
I had the same reaction, then thought maybe you could fit 3-4 economy seats into that space?
Depends which airline I guess
You must have been in some really shitty 1st class mate!!!
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@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
I had the same reaction, then thought maybe you could fit 3-4 economy seats into that space?
At the very least this
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@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@voodoo said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
I had the same reaction, then thought maybe you could fit 3-4 economy seats into that space?
Depends which airline I guess
You must have been in some really shitty 1st class mate!!!
I'd like to fly even shitty first class once ...
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@ACT-Crusader said in Sportswashing:
@junior said in Sportswashing:
@MajorRage said in Sportswashing:
@Catogrande said in Sportswashing:
@bayimports said in Sportswashing:
I guess it also comes down to where people draw their own moral line in Australia.. you used to see a lot of Tobacco, Oil and Alcohol in sport... not so much now
yet it is still ok to be sponsored by gambling companies
Some people do legitimately care, however others would take the money even if the main sponsor was the "all star genocide company"
For me it’s all about that line. I’m perfectly ok with individuals or companies owning sports clubs and/or offering sponsorship but the line for me is stuff like having the soccer WC in Qatar. That is a country with serious human rights issues using their dosh to gain respectability. In particular I despise the hypocrisy of millionaire socialists spouting their self righteous drivel and then making a huge wedge sucking up to these people.
Ye. I’m looking at you Gary Neville.
The Australian Test captain has been picturing flying in first class, regularly jets around the world to play matches and has been photographed driving a Land Rover.
Honest question, why does flying first class make it more hypocritical? I would have thought any flight would be a bad look for a climate crusader...?
It’s what’s happening in first class, all the extras (seating, food service, slippers, PJs etc), the “carbon footprint” all adds up.
Add in entitlement envy
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@booboo Newcastle Utd is the one that has really kicked this off.
I think the argument would be that Mohammed bin Salman is complicit in all sorts of nefarious deeds, most visibly ordering (allegedly but pretty conclusively) the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi who was a vocal critic of the Saudi regime.
IMO in order to promote the sports washing argument you have to have a fair degree of contempt for the average football supporter's intelligence coupled with a self-satisfied smugness about your own intellect and moral righteousness in order to believe that the Magpie supporters on the terraces of St James Park doesn't see this as clearly as you do.
bin Salman has been getting a torrid time in the press and his investment is a pittance, given his wealth so as a marketing strategy it's not too bad but I think the reality is he wanted a football club simply to compete with his peers.
From their reaction, the aforementioned Magpie fans couldn't give a shit if bin Salman had personally beheaded Khashoggi as part of the pore-match entertainment if it meant his squillions could bring back the glory days.
The EPL does have a fit and proper person clause that potential owners have to pass. You can argue they shouldn't and also point out the failings of a host of other club owners but if they had followed their own ruling the Newcastle sale should not have gone through.
I think the intent is to avoid implicitly condoning the (pretty heinous) actions of bin Salman, sort of like should the Berlin games in 36 gone ahead....
The whole sports washing debate reeks of hypocrisy though. The holier than thou cherry-picking of causes is sickening. Looking at you Lewis Hamilton.
Did I convince anyone?
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Yes
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Statement from Craig Carracher, President Volleyball Australia, relating to Hancock Prospecting partnership.
Hancock Prospecting has worked closely for almost 10 years with Volleyball Australia and our athletes. From humble years to medals at the Olympics, Commonwealth Games and World Championships, Mrs Rinehart’s sole focus has been on the welfare of athletes and the integrity of our sport, Australia’s most gender equal Olympic team sport.
Recent media comments attributing remarks from athletes in leadership positions from another sport raises frustrations and concerns for all Australian sports enthusiasts and especially within our sport. Mrs Rinehart’s selfless commitment to women’s sport deserves the accolades of our great sporting nation. For players and commentators to publicly criticise the business interest of the person who has stepped forward in wanting to genuinely help a sport through its challenges, is surprising..
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@ACT-Crusader Women's Refuge in Wellington turned down a donation from a strip club back in the day.
I dunno, money's money right. If it goes to a good place, who cares. Critics usually won't put their hand in their pocket to replace the thing they complain about.
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@nzzp said in Sportswashing:
Crusader Women's Refuge in Wellington turned down a donation from a strip club back in the day.
I get that. That's quite legit in terms of "we don't want your filthy money".
Pretty much the least hypocritical anecdote I've seen on this thread.
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@mariner4life said in Sportswashing:
what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
Nothing to do with ethnicity of owners. That was lobbed recently by an anonymous source from City to shut down any chatter (what exactly did Klopp say that was wrong) about where City get their purchasing power/funds from. Both PSG and City have allegedly taken money from suspicious sources close to their state owners, e.g. PSG got an investment from Qatar tourism and it just so happened to be enough to help them finance the Neymar transfer. What a coincidence.
I think there is a question as to where you draw the line. Is it ok for someone like Abramovich to buy Chelsea to funnel his ill gotten gains from Russia through, but not ok for Qatar or Saudis or Abu Dhabi to do the same? Sure, the Gulf states have more money overall, but at that level, we are splitting hairs. Illicit funding is illicit funding.
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@booboo said in Sportswashing:
I get that. That's quite legit in terms of "we don't want your filthy money".
Guess that depends on your viewpoint eh. It's legal isn't it? What if the strip club is owned and staffed 100% by women? Is it still filthy? I'm assuming it was women stripping in there...
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@stodders said in Sportswashing:
@mariner4life said in Sportswashing:
what is everyone's thoughts on this term?
I first heard it from English football, where it's used as a term to bash City and Newcastle (easiest to do when the owners are brown i guess?). From what i understand, the word is used to describe a situation where an entity (normally a country) uses sports to boost its public profile and hide the bad shit it does.
So the Saudis buy Newcastle to so people will like them, or City win a lot so no one cares about what Abu Dhabi do. Seems like a crock of shit to me, but then I'm not on Twitter.
But this week it's a little closer to home, and, from where i sit, a lot stupider. First there was the Aussie netball team who don't want Gina Reinhart to pay for their sporting careers. Because mining i think? Also her dad may have said some pretty reprehensible shit, but that seems the token, tacked-on reason. Now the Australian cricket captain won't endorse the major sponsor of CA for the same reasons.
Apparently putting money in to sports is sportswashing, and it's bad if it doesn't align with the "values" of the players.You selfish, entitled fucks!! That money doesn't just pay for your very hefty salaries, and your ability to jet around the world playing a sport you love. It pays for all the grass roots stuff these sports do, all the community programs they run. The lot. And you giant fuckwits want to end said sponsorships because reasons? get the fuck out.
Hey Pat, you take a massive pay cut to get rid of that sponsor? Really? You stop playing IPL because India is a heavy, heavy emitter of carbon pollution? the fuck you will.
The entitlement here is off the fucking charts.
Nothing to do with ethnicity of owners. That was lobbed recently by an anonymous source from City to shut down any chatter (what exactly did Klopp say that was wrong) about where City get their purchasing power/funds from. Both PSG and City have allegedly taken money from suspicious sources close to their state owners, e.g. PSG got an investment from Qatar tourism and it just so happened to be enough to help them finance the Neymar transfer. What a coincidence.
I think there is a question as to where you draw the line. Is it ok for someone like Abramovich to buy Chelsea to funnel his ill gotten gains from Russia through, but not ok for Qatar or Saudis or Abu Dhabi to do the same? Sure, the Gulf states have more money overall, but at that level, we are splitting hairs. Illicit funding is illicit funding.
The furore over Klopp's quite innocuous statements was baffling, but not surprising. All he really said was that there's 3 clubs in world football for whom money is no issue and Liverpool ain't one of them. He didn't say anything about where that money was coming from, what kind of a project it may or may not have been, etc.
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@Bones said in Sportswashing:
@booboo said in Sportswashing:
I get that. That's quite legit in terms of "we don't want your filthy money".
Guess that depends on your viewpoint eh. It's legal isn't it? What if the strip club is owned and staffed 100% by women? Is it still filthy? I'm assuming it was women stripping in there...
I assumed they were taking a stand against the blatant exploitation of men desperate for a view of the female body.
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@Bones said in Sportswashing:
@booboo said in Sportswashing:
I get that. That's quite legit in terms of "we don't want your filthy money".
Guess that depends on your viewpoint eh. It's legal isn't it? What if the strip club is owned and staffed 100% by women? Is it still filthy? I'm assuming it was women stripping in there...
You and your optimism.
I see @Crazy-Horse has covered it.
I don’t see any hypocrisy in that case.
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@booboo said in Sportswashing:
I don’t see any hypocrisy in that case.
Not hypocrisy, jsut short sightedness in my opinion. Take the money, state you don't endorse stripping but welcome the gift.
It's kind of the reverse of sportswashing, but it does introduce the issue of what is 'clean' money and what is 'dirty'. I understand the refuge position, but it's putting taking moral high ground over actually helping women who need it. A classic tension of pragmatism against purity.
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Netball loses $15mill
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@booboo something to be proud of for those ladies to see what they're doing to grass roots.
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@Bones said in Sportswashing:
@booboo something to be proud of for those ladies to see what they're doing to grass roots.
think of the purity though!
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Loooool
I shouldn't laugh because the only losers are kids.
But seriously
You fucking idiots
STATEMENT FROM VOLLEYBALL AUSTRALIA ON HANCOCK PROSPECTING PARTNERSHIP
Netball in turmoil as Gina Rinehart tears up ‘ground-breaking’ $15m sponsorship
