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    All Blacks XV v Barbarians

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      Frye last edited by Duluth

      Players announced so far:

      Forwards:
      Zach Mercer
      Camille Chat
      Aaron Wainwright
      John Ryan
      Joe Marler

      Backs:
      Tawera Kerr Barlow
      Rhys Webb
      Brice Dulin
      Teddy Thomas
      George Bridge
      Josua Tuisova
      Joe Marchant

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      • Crazy Horse
        Crazy Horse last edited by

        From memory Zach Mercer is Gary's son.

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          ARHS last edited by

          This seems so Micky Mouse. Half the team not even announced a week out. Usually Baabaas teams are trumpeted a long way out to encourage spectators and viewers. Is it a full house already?

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          • Machpants
            Machpants @ARHS last edited by

            @ARHS said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

            This seems so Micky Mouse. Half the team not even announced a week out. Usually Baabaas teams are trumpeted a long way out to encourage spectators and viewers. Is it a full house already?

            Because the calendar is so congested nowadays they struggle to get players, baa baas is a dying concept

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              Stargazer @Machpants last edited by Stargazer

              @Machpants Not a dying concept at all. Just planned in the wrong week. These games used to be played outside the November window, often in the first week of December. That's why they could field a lot of great players, particularly from the Southern Hemisphere. This game is in the November window, and therefore the best players are unvavailble.

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              • Bovidae
                Bovidae last edited by

                I am assuming that NZR didn't release any SR players to play for the Baabass, as should be the case.

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                  nostrildamus last edited by

                  If Camille means perfect I am disappointed Camille Chat is not halfback but no doubt the scrums will be lively.

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                    Stargazer @Bovidae last edited by Stargazer

                    @Bovidae In the past, they used to be released. Not sure why they would change that and deny players the opportunity to play for a team with a great history and earn some extra dollars at the same time?

                    Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?

                    Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaas.

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                    • Bovidae
                      Bovidae last edited by

                      I would think that as part of the Collective Employment Agreement the players would need to get permission from their employer. And given the circumstances I wouldn't want to help the Barbarians.

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                      • Stargazer
                        Stargazer @Bovidae last edited by Stargazer

                        @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

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                        • Machpants
                          Machpants @Stargazer last edited by Machpants

                          @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                          @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                          There are still premiership games on, is on its way out. Baa Baas used to be a who's who, with one non capped player. Now they're mostly random barrel scrapings, or almost a trial team for an international side, like France B last year

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                            Stargazer @Machpants last edited by Stargazer

                            @Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

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                              Machpants @Stargazer last edited by Machpants

                              @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                              @Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

                              There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.

                              Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?

                              Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass

                              Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.

                              So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

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                                Stargazer @Machpants last edited by

                                @Machpants This was what my question was about:

                                And given the circumstances I wouldn't want to help the Barbarians.

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                                  Stargazer @Machpants last edited by Stargazer

                                  @Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                  So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

                                  Baabaas players never missed a rest week. They arrived a week later for preseason and that was never a problem.

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                                  • Bovidae
                                    Bovidae @Stargazer last edited by

                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                    @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                    Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

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                                      Stargazer @Bovidae last edited by

                                      @Bovidae Not sure he was offered the XV job; wasn't that just speculation?

                                      Even if it was, I don't see why NZR wouldn't allow NZ players to play for the Baabaas and deny them the opportunity. Would be pretty pathetic. You'd think that NZR would welcome the opportunity for players to earn some extra income as that's what keeps them in NZ (longer).

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                                      • Crazy Horse
                                        Crazy Horse @Bovidae last edited by

                                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                        @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                        Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                        I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

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                                        • Bovidae
                                          Bovidae @Stargazer last edited by

                                          @Stargazer As of yet there are no non-touring Aust, Arg or SA players either, so probably not a priority for any of the SANZAAR teams.

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                                            Stargazer @Bovidae last edited by

                                            @Bovidae That's assuming they were asked. Maybe they weren't.

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                                              Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

                                              Text on their instagram account:

                                              PLAYER NEWS πŸ—žοΈ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour πŸ”₯🌟

                                              Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully πŸ˜‰

                                              It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie πŸ‘

                                              #Baabaas #rugby #KillikCup

                                              So much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. 😁

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                                              • Nepia
                                                Nepia @Crazy Horse last edited by

                                                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                Either way we can blame a Cantab.

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                                                • Nepia
                                                  Nepia @Stargazer last edited by

                                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                  Text on their instagram account:

                                                  PLAYER NEWS πŸ—žοΈ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour πŸ”₯🌟

                                                  Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully πŸ˜‰

                                                  It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie πŸ‘

                                                  #Baabaas #rugby #KillikCup

                                                  So much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. 😁

                                                  Hmm, is that a cunning plan by the NZRU to keep him in the NH in case he's needed?

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                                                    Stargazer @Nepia last edited by

                                                    @Nepia Wouldn't be the first time!

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                                                    • Crazy Horse
                                                      Crazy Horse @Nepia last edited by

                                                      @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                      @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                      @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                      Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                      I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                      I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                      Either way we can blame a Cantab.

                                                      We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

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                                                        Nepia @Crazy Horse last edited by

                                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                        @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                        @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                        Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                        I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                        I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                        Either way we can blame a Cantab.

                                                        We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

                                                        You had me until the bold. πŸ™‚

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                                                          nostrildamus @Nepia last edited by

                                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                          @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                          Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                          I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                          I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                          Either way we can blame a Cantab.

                                                          We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

                                                          You had me until the bold. πŸ™‚

                                                          I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

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                                                            cgrant @Frye last edited by

                                                            @Frye said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                            Players announced so far:

                                                            Forwards:
                                                            Zach Mercer
                                                            Camille Chat
                                                            Aaron Wainwright
                                                            John Ryan
                                                            Joe Marler

                                                            Backs:
                                                            Tawera Kerr Barlow
                                                            Rhys Webb
                                                            Brice Dulin
                                                            Teddy Thomas
                                                            George Bridge
                                                            Josua Tuisova
                                                            Joe Marchant

                                                            Tough job ahead for Razor !

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                                                              game_film last edited by

                                                              Anyone going to this? I’m tempted but trying to scoop a bargain perhaps as the crowd is going to be pitiful. Scheduling genius of NZRU clashing with the ABs and with people paying so much throughout the the month.

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                                                              • Bones
                                                                Bones @nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                                Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                                I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                                I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                                Either way we can blame a Cantab.

                                                                We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

                                                                You had me until the bold. πŸ™‚

                                                                I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

                                                                Subtlety is an art.

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                                                                  nostrildamus @Bones last edited by

                                                                  @Bones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                  @Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?

                                                                  Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.

                                                                  I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.

                                                                  I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.

                                                                  Either way we can blame a Cantab.

                                                                  We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.

                                                                  You had me until the bold. πŸ™‚

                                                                  I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.

                                                                  Subtlety is an art.

                                                                  Why, thank you!

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                                                                    Dan54 @Machpants last edited by

                                                                    @Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                    @Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.

                                                                    There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.

                                                                    Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?

                                                                    Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass

                                                                    Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.

                                                                    So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year

                                                                    Even amateur players are required to a clearance to play for Barbarians or anywhere outside their country, always been so from what I know.

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                                                                      Stargazer last edited by

                                                                      Barbarians squad:

                                                                      FORWARDS

                                                                      Facundo Bosch (Stade Rochelais, Argentina)

                                                                      Camille Chat (Stade Rochelais, France)

                                                                      George Henri Colombe (Stade Rochelais)

                                                                      Cedate Gomes Sa (Racing 92, France)

                                                                      Joe Marler (Harlequins, England)

                                                                      Zach Mercer (Montpellier, England)

                                                                      John Ryan (Munster, Ireland)

                                                                      Romain Sazy (Stade Rochelais)

                                                                      Lekima Tagitagivalu (Section Paloise, Fiji)

                                                                      Aaron Wainwright (Dragons, Wales)

                                                                      Lauret Wenceslas (Racing 92, France)

                                                                      Luke Whitelock (Section Paloise, New Zealand)


                                                                      BACKS

                                                                      George Bridge (Montpellier, New Zealand)

                                                                      Antoine Hastoy (Stade Rochelais, France)

                                                                      Tawera Kerr Barlow (Stade Rochelais, New Zealand)

                                                                      Dillyn Leyds (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)

                                                                      Joe Marchant (Harlequins, England)

                                                                      Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

                                                                      Remi Picquette (Stade Rochelais)

                                                                      Raymond Rhule (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)

                                                                      Teddy Thomas (Stade Rochelais, France)

                                                                      Rhys Webb (Ospreys, Wales)

                                                                      Ihaia West (Toulon)

                                                                      Barbarians name squad for Killik Cup clash against All Blacks XV - Barbarian FC
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                                                                        Nepia @Stargazer last edited by

                                                                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                        Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

                                                                        ABs XV is fucked now.

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                                                                          nostrildamus @Nepia last edited by

                                                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                          @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                          Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)

                                                                          ABs XV is fucked now.

                                                                          But Jesus never sinned and never married so must have remained a virgin?

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                                                                            pakman @Stargazer last edited by

                                                                            @Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                            Actually quite a good team, other than bare at lock?

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                                                                              Billy Tell last edited by

                                                                              Reckon the ABs XV will win this by 15 to 20 points.

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                                                                                Bovidae last edited by

                                                                                Just as well O'Gara can choose so many of his own club players to make up the numbers. πŸ˜‰

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                                                                                  Davesofthunder @game_film last edited by

                                                                                  @game_film said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:

                                                                                  Anyone going to this? I’m tempted but trying to scoop a bargain perhaps as the crowd is going to be pitiful. Scheduling genius of NZRU clashing with the ABs and with people paying so much throughout the the month.

                                                                                  I'm taking my eldest along (8) and hoping for a bit of fun. His main question was if any Barretts would be there 😁

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                                                                                    SBW1 @Stargazer last edited by

                                                                                    @Stargazer Looks like four Kiwis are playing, are there any more on that list?

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