England vs Springboks
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Dont write England off for WC year. They are a lumbering beast yes, and that was a beastly performance sure - but they will learn from that and be better next year.
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What I found interesting through the week , putting aside all nz loyalties ( we have our own issues too )
England in most areas such as their fan base were claiming last week as a moral victory when they were beaten up for most parts of the game , the late tries imo saved a bit of face and camouflaged how average they mostly were .
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Very pleased with the Boks performance. My moth is fat Frans Malherbe. He did the damage. Our depth is good going into 2023. Again we did well with 14 men. Tank a bit unlucky.
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@Jailbreak7 said in England vs Springboks:
Another committee meeting. This is farking killing our game.
Yeah. Water breaks? In London on a late Autumn Day?
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@Victor-Meldrew just another thing to slow the game down and allow bigger players more time on the park
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@broughie said in England vs Springboks:
@Mattasaurus It's coming in the winter and there should not be water breaks. Whose brainchild was this?
World Rugby.
Based in Ireland....
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Watching the replay now, and haven't seen the score yet (so haven't read the thread).
Excellent from referee Gardner to send off the waterboys/medics from England around the 21st minute mark. Also asking the ARs/4th official to stop the medics from coming on when there is no injury. All that happening while Farrell was preparing to take a kick.
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Haha, hot potato, hot potato! Or ping pong, whatever you prefer.
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Watched the last 15 minutes. God the Pommy backline is slow. Saffer little blokes just nail anything they do on attack with pace.
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Jack van Poortvliet, what's his background. Dutch name, Dutch dad?
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Awesome try to Arendse! Also weak defence from Marcus Smith. Looked like a half-hearted effort.
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Deserved red card to Thomas du Toit. What an idiot.
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Didn't see his "victim" leave the field for a HIA. Did he go off?
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Pains me to say this as can’t for the life of me stand either of these teams ..but the Boks in my opinion are favourites to retain the RWC ..they are a tournament team and quite frankly they have beaten up most packs they have come up against this year ..not pretty but bloody effective
And at those odds , I’m all over it
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@Mattasaurus said in England vs Springboks:
These water breaks just add another entry on the blight on the game list
The idea is ok, it needs tweaking though.
The idea was to cut down the number of times water runners came on (like at scrum times etc). So when a player takes an “injury” break, everyone gets their water.
Maybe get rid of the time minimum and make it so that if everyone is on their feet that get a sip and 30 seconds to get started.
Agree that aerobic attrition should be part of the game and keeping things moving should be a priority -
South Africa did what we did last week except weren't as idiotic and didn't let them back in
Huge red flags for England. That really should be two heavy losses at home in a row on the back of a loss to Argentina
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It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
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@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
A lot of those mistakes were caused by SA's incredible line speed as opposed to our passive D last week.
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@akan004 said in England vs Springboks:
@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
A lot of those mistakes were caused by SA's incredible line speed as opposed to our passive D last week.
We do invite pressure with our piss weak kicking game and soak defence aye
It's maddening really.
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@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
South Africa didn't lose focus after 65 minutes but kept hammering away. It's been so disappointing to see the ABs lose their culture of ruthlessness under Foster. The Boks still have it.
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@NTA Saffer little blokes (7s) changed our franchises attacking skills. Stormers have Senatla Davids, Sharks Abrahams, Cheetahs Spekman, Bulls KL Arendse.
Arendse attended Klein Nederburg (from a disadvantage Paarl township) and played for Boland 7s before getting into the SA 7s squad and Jake White scout him for the Bulls. Moodie from Boland Landbou
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@sparky said in England vs Springboks:
@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
South Africa didn't lose focus after 65 minutes but kept hammering away. It's been so disappointing to see the ABs lose their culture of ruthlessness under Foster. The Boks still have it.
Like at Ellis Park? They've lost games late too.
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@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
@sparky said in England vs Springboks:
@Bovidae said in England vs Springboks:
It was frustrating that every English pass stuck last week in the final 10 mins whereas today they looked rather clueless when chasing the game, and made numerous errors.
South Africa didn't lose focus after 65 minutes but kept hammering away. It's been so disappointing to see the ABs lose their culture of ruthlessness under Foster. The Boks still have it.
Like at Ellis Park? They've lost games late too.
No, only the All Blacks under Foster have flaws, everyone else is amazing
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@Stargazer said in England vs Springboks:
Does anyone else think the pass to Le Roux was forward? Looked a bit Michalak-like.
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
@NTA Saffer little blokes (7s) changed our franchises attacking skills. Stormers have Senatla Davids, Sharks Abrahams, Cheetahs Spekman, Bulls KL Arendse.
Arendse attended Klein Nederburg (from a disadvantage Paarl township) and played for Boland 7s before getting into the SA 7s squad and Jake White scout him for the Bulls. Moodie from Boland Landbou
Can they defend well against big power wingers?
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@Frank said in England vs Springboks:
@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
@NTA Saffer little blokes (7s) changed our franchises attacking skills. Stormers have Senatla Davids, Sharks Abrahams, Cheetahs Spekman, Bulls KL Arendse.
Arendse attended Klein Nederburg (from a disadvantage Paarl township) and played for Boland 7s before getting into the SA 7s squad and Jake White scout him for the Bulls. Moodie from Boland Landbou
Can they defend well against big power wingers?
You know what? Who cares when they can do the shit they already do
NZ fans are obsessed with perfect players
Oh yeah he scores two tries a test and regularly turns guys inside out but because he missed two tackles I want him fired
Especially out wide we've forgotten what wings are for. They are not loose forwards FFS.
Beat guys and create opportunities for points FFS
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@Billy-Tell Yes, pass looked a shade forward.
Think both games have highlighted three things which will be crucial come WC time.
Discipline leadership/game management and the ability to execute in the last 10 mins. Simple really.......now if only Foster was paying attention... -
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@Stargazer said in England vs Springboks:
Jack van Poortvliet, what's his background. Dutch name, Dutch dad?
Slow as a wet week
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Jonny Hill is such a dickhead.
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@Billy-Tell said in England vs Springboks:
@Stargazer said in England vs Springboks:
Does anyone else think the pass to Le Roux was forward? Looked a bit Michalak-like.
Marginal for me. No complaints.
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@Frank with our rush defense the opposition ball rarely reach the wing. The only size that matter on a rugby field is the size of the heart. KLA and Kolbey have very big hearts.
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@OomPB Well said.
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
The only size that matter on a rugby field is the size of the heart.
I look forward to facing the 90 kg Bok locks with "big hearts" in the future then.
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
@SidBarret Thomas Tank come from the same TH Paarl Boys factory as Fat Frans. The next one, my good friend's son, Sebastiaan Lombaard, SA U20 plying his trade at Jake White's Bulls. Thanks Richard Visagie.
Any relation to Kobus?
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@Bovidae Ellis Park this year when the All Blacks narrowly beat the Springbok reserves? Forgive me for not getting carried away with the NZR & Sky Sports NZ hype about that performance.
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@pakman Kobus ?
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@OomPB said in England vs Springboks:
@pakman Kobus ?
I think hes mixing his Rudi Visagies with his Kobus Wieses. Probably means Rudi.
