Maori All Blacks v New Zealand Barbarians
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Hi,
I'm french and I 'm fan to rugby in New Zeland and I'm looking for informations on all matches between Maori All Blacks and New Zeland Barbarians (dat, venue, score).
I think the first match between Maori and NZ Barbarians was in year 1956 but I'm not sure.
Somebody knows ?Thanks a lot
Laurent
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Hi @Laurent
Māori All Blacks matches are still on my "to do" list, so - for now - I only have this information:
An archived list of all NZ Natives/NZ Māori/Māori All Blacks matches from 1888 to 2008 can be found under this link.
The first match against the NZ Barbarians on that list is the game on 21 June 2002 and if this list on the Rugby Database website is correct (I have no idea whether that site is reliable), then there have only been three games between both teams:
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NZ Māori 22 - 37 NZ Barbarians, played on Friday 21 June 2002 at North Harbour Stadium (Albany)
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NZ Māori 37 - 31 NZ Barbarians, played on Saturday 12 June 2010 at Toll Stadium (now called Semenoff Stadium) (Whangārei)
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Maori All Blacks 17 v 34 NZ Barbarians, played on Saturday, 18 July 2015 at Eden Park (Auckland)
Match report
I hope this helps!
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@Laurent told you you'd get a good response here
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I'm pretty sure, even with my old man brain, that NZ Maori/MABs vs NZ Baa Baas is a relatively new thing, so 3 games makes sense to me, all last 20 or so years
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Wonder if an Australian Maori v NZ Maori game would ever get off the ground?
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@Kiwiwomble yes thank you
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I have find this : https://rugbyredefined.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/2015-mabs-mg-web-01.pdf and you can see that until 2014 they played more than 430 matches (page 6). If you an't open the link I can send you the pdf.
I also find that :
New Zealand Barbarians v Maoris 1964 Rugby Programme
New Zealand Barbarians v Maoris 1964 Rugby Programme - Rugbyreplay 17-05-1964 Good condition, light creasing, score on team page
and on this link you can see it says that have played matches during 60s and 70s
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Just out of interest, I have programs from 1960s of Horowhenua Maori playing Horowhenua Pakeha, I know it's not what Laurent is talking about, but was interested to get those , and thought how times have changed. Though in the Naki there still both Maori and PI teams that play against Whanganui.
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@Laurent That number of over 430 games in the Māori All Blacks 2015 Media Guide is interesting. Those games most likely include the over 160 first class games mentioned in the list of which I posted the link (1888-2008), a number of first class games played after 2008, and over 200 of other (non-first class) games against provincial union or subunion teams, club teams and all sorts of invitational sides (mostly played in the 20th century). It's very well possible that some of these invitational sides were called Barbarians, but we don't know whether these games were officially played under the banner of the NZ Barbarian Rugby Club.
Also, the NZ Barbarians may have played against numerous Māori teams during its existence, but not all of these teams were the official representative team called NZ Māori. There have been lots of provincial, sub-provincial and invitational Māori teams over the years as well.
I don't think the games during the 60s and 70s were against the NZ Māori team. That Rugby Football History website (which seems to have sourced this info from the website of the NZ Barbarian Rugby Club) just says "Māori teams", which can be any Māori team.
Looking at the match programmes that you found online:
If you look at the two programmes, particularly the photos of them, then the game of 17 May 1964 was between the New Zealand Barbarians and "Maoris (An Invitational XV)" and the game of 26 April 1970 between the Barbarians and a "Māori XV". If these teams were "the" NZ Māori team, I think these programmes would have used that name.Not sure what the purpose of your search for NZ Māori/All Blacks v NZ Barbarians games is, but I'd stick to the official first class games, because only then you can be sure these were games between these official representative teams.
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Neither the 1964 or 1981 games against the Barbarians are included in the official Māori games played that year (based on what is listed in The Encyclopedia of New Zealand Rugby). In 1981, for example, the Māori only played Counties and then South Africa.
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@Bovidae said in Maori All Blacks v New Zealand Barbarians:
Neither the 1964 or 1981 games against the Barbarians are included in the official Māori games played that year (based on what is listed in The Encyclopedia of New Zealand Rugby). In 1981, for example, the Māori only played Counties and then South Africa.
The 1964 match is not a first-class fixture because it was played on a Sunday. Matches in NZ played on a Sunday did not qualify for first-class status until 1970.
The 1982 Rugby Almanack refers to the 1981 match as a Maori Invitation XV v NZ Barbarians. It was NOT NZ Maori v NZ Barbarians but is a first-class fixture.
