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<p>I'm ashamed to say Baron that I couldn't sit through that video but I don't doubt your assertion of the remainers also lying and Osborne in particular. The scare tactics, lies and sheer bloody nonsense that is spouted but both sides is really tedious. If there was a third option of "Why don't the lot of you just fuck off" I think we'd have a clear winner. However if you do want to hear some sensible non-emotive reasoning take the time to listen to Sturgeon and Benn.</p>
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<p>I've always been a fan of Boris, but he's having a shocker here.</p>
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<p>I must be missing something, as doesn't matter how I look at it, I can't see why on earth people would vote to leave.</p>
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<p>Because they've been worked up with the threat of ISIS immigrating here & 3 million turks turning up to take all their jobs & they think every law they don't like is from the EU when in fact barely any of them are, Germans telling them what shape their bananas can be despite US WINNING THE WAR!. Its the usual method - terrify the stupid & vulnerable & use that as a lever to get a very ambitious & morally bankrupt buffoon into power.</p>
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<p>There are 2 ways to get elected to power in democracy, through talent & doing whats right for your people - that is slow as fuck & hard. Or by terrifying & lying to people & getting them to sweep you in on a tide of ignorance. That works pretty well. Boris saw that his natural progression to power might at best be 3 years away & at worst be blocked by Osbourne, this way he can be PM by Xmas. Much like Trump in the US he'll destroy his party and do untold damage to his country but power is power.</p>
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<p>The whole process has been inept complacency on the in side & a couple of assholes who will do anything for power on the out side. I guess the simplest question would be, which side has been actively trying to work people up to a position where they think shooting a mother of 2 in the head is a valid response? (again, much like Trump in the US) </p> -
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<p>He makes a fantastic point that the people saying this was not a right wing anti immigrant inspired killing but a mental illness issue, had zero issue saying that the murder of Lee Rigby (soldier hacked to death in th UK) was Islamic terror & the fact his killer was a diagnosed paranoid schitzo was a red herring...</p> -
<p>What doctrine was he following that said that you should kill democratically elected people?</p>
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<p>Just like this guy thought the threats of leaving were worth listening to the little voices in his head? All of us think some bad shit, but we don't act on it because society.</p>
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<p>Nowhere does it occur in the 'leave campaign' propaganda to go out and kill people who dont agree with your side.</p>
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<p>Fuck its a bit mental all over. Both sides.</p>
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<p>Some rich prick (Geldof) hired a boat to ruin a Brexit propaganda flotilla... that will be a dead set vote winner.....</p> -
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<p>Nowhere does it occur in the 'leave campaign' propaganda to go out and kill people who dont agree with your side.</p>
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<p>You're not wrong... however, watching this Britain First rally, it's not hard to see how an unhinged individual would think they have to take action.</p>
<p>This lady is telling people that Muslims are there to take over... they worship Satan... they are collecting money for terrorists from them at the lights... that they are forming groups to gang rape their children... she encourages her audience to take up weapons to fight against people who "disrespect our temple (Britain)", much like Jesus did...</p>
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<p>At one point you hear someone yell Kill Em All... although that could be a passing Metallica fan.</p>
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<p>You're not wrong... however, watching this Britain First rally, it's not hard to see how an unhinged individual would think they have to take action.</p>
<p>This lady is telling people that Muslims are there to take over... they worship Satan... they are collecting money for terrorists from them at the lights... that they are forming groups to gang rape their children... she encourages her audience to take up weapons to fight against people who "disrespect our temple (Britain)", much like Jesus did...</p>
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<p>At one point you hear someone yell Kill Em All... although that could be a passing Metallica fan.</p>
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<p>Great. Lets go down the line that he was under the instructions or following the ideology of Britain First....</p>
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<p>The guy who murdered the MP .. might.. btw.. be the sole reason Britain stays in the EU. I hope someone points that out to him whilst he sits in jail. What a fuckwit</p>
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<p>Great. Lets go down the line that he was under the instructions or following the ideology of Britain First....</p>
<p>I would welcome Islam getting the same scrutiny derision and mocking as them. Yip.. lets put Islam and Britain First in the same category. I can only imagine the shrieks of outrage from the regressive left!</p>
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<p>You could do that but you'd be lumping in a religion with numerous denominations / schools / branches observing different interpretations of the same religious text with a geographically aligned political group with a clearly defined agenda.</p>
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Yup, peak Brexit was pretty much the day she got shot, massive reversal in markets /sentiment / media coverage since then. An MP getting killed over thing is fking scary, and has made people stop and think what other scary things might happen if an ill-conceived exit narrowly wins.<br>
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