Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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For anyone interested - no commentary -
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Will Sri Lanka's perfect preparation reap rewards in New Zealand?
It may come down to how their batters fare against New Zealand's seamers in the first innings
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NZ chose to bowl first
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Tickner comes in for Young
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So Stead does change a winning team, but not where expected. Henry Nicholls status as a protected species continues.
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oooh, that was a close review. Clipping top of the stumps, stays not out. Nice review, good bowling.
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
So Stead does change a winning team, but not where expected. Henry Nicholls status as a protected species continues.
He is a luck so and so. Some guys just seem to get more rope than others. He has the swagger, swaggers to the middle then swaggers back to the pavilion....
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
oooh, that was a close review. Clipping top of the stumps, stays not out. Nice review, good bowling.
Yep, a tense start for the Umpires as well as the players so far.
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Two unplayable ones, then a legside pie takes the wicket
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Southee's 'celebrappeal' has clearly been worked on.
Second wicket given; under review now. LBW from Southee, who's bowling well
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ooof, and too high. Big bounce - over the top
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SL getting on top. 107/1 after 22 overs.
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Christ Southee is certainly putting his mark on the team by 1. actually winning the toss every now and then, and 2. always choosing to bowl first at every opportunity.
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A proverbial session of two halves...
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Is Duffy really worse than Tickner?
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I don't mind Wagnerball when appropriate, but first morning of a test match just seemed a waste. I don't blame Wagner either as he will be working to a plan
Curiously we all know Southee got lucky by bowling first last time, but has he actually won a first innings?
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@No-Quarter said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Christ Southee is certainly putting his mark on the team by 1. actually winning the toss every now and then, and 2. always choosing to bowl first at every opportunity.
I don't think this is putting his mark.
Since 2016, CdG debut on the first NZ modern green-seamer we've seen at test level (E.g. ridiculously grassy in appearance, but actually quite benign). It has been standard.
At home, we've bowled first 100% of the time when winning the toss for the last 8 seasons.
Since 01 Jan 2016:
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
All tests: New Zealand 2016-2023 31 20 6 0 5 3.333
NZ fielding first: New Zealand 2016-2023 19 13 2 0 4 6.5
NZ winning toss and fielding first: New Zealand 2016-2023 15 12 1 0 2 12
NZ winning toss New Zealand 2016-2023 15 12 1 0 2 12
NZ loss the toss New Zealand 2016-2023 16 8 5 0 3 1.6 -
Actually, prior to that abritrary date I chose (The CdG debut). During the earlier half of that same decade NZ also used to almost always chose to bowl first at home. 18 out of 21 occasions (So, McCullum, Taylor captaincy period).
Prior to that it was more 50%ish, except for another (not as extravagent) blip in the 1980s (17 out of 28) , when we had Hadlee.
Screenshot 2023-03-09 at 2.06.42 PM
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Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
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@bayimports said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
True. The team is a bit shit, the bowling talent has regressed, and the team very poorly coached/managed. That is a new reality that should be taken into account when making a decision upon winning the toss. As well as the pitch.
But, in Southee's defence upon making a decision on the morning of each match. Look at the 11 he's been given. 4 seamers, and a part-time(ish) spinner.
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@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
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@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
and Larsen.
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How does Tickner keep getting selected, he leaks runs every time, no matter the format.
Surely we have better.
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@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
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@No-Quarter said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
I'm a child of the 1980s. So I was brought up on win the toss and bowl. I can only remember one victory from the 1980s golden era where we won bowling 4th (Eden park v Australia in 1986, although I'm sure there's probably a few more).
Edit: v England 1984 Lancaster Park was won bowling 2nd and 3rd after enforcing a follow on.For me the "win the toss and bat" is a concept from a different planet (e.g. Australia).
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So Tickners gone for 55 off 9 and we've burned all our reviews. Great day's play so far...
How long is the Lankan tail? /straw
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I don't see why we picked 4 seamers in this test.
Wagner has bowled 3 overs going at 10 an over
Tickner has been too lose.
And we are Using Mitchell who is doing a good job.
More sense would have been play another bat and not play Tickner especially as Mitchell is being used now.
Again an unbalanced 11.
Even though Wagner was the hero from the 2nd English test he looks more and more done at 36 as a test bowler. -
Can we fuck Tickner off already?
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Tickner would look right at home in the Caps mid 90's bowling lineup. Promoted well beyond his level.
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0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
Surely the bigger issue is the captain is to scared to actually bowl one of his (other) senior seamers. After winning the toss and bowling ....
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
on a green top!
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the way they are batting, SL are looking good for a win. If they do that, a second game with entry to the WTC on the line would be superb to watch.
If we lose 2-0, is that SL confrimed? Or could India sneak in even then?
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The Wagner is finished and the captain no longer trusts him klaxon alarm:
(because, anything less subtle is to subtle for Steady ...
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@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
I have vivid memories of him coming in with Sri Lanka cruising a few years ago, and absolutely changing the game with aggression and well directed short deliveries. SL did not handle it at all well.
Sadly, we aren't seeing that hostile stuff now, it's more me giving the fingers to someone from the comfort of my car.
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@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
Surely the bigger issue is the captain is to scared to actually bowl one of his (other) senior seamers. After winning the toss and bowling ....
All of the above. The Loves Wags till death do us part crew were militant after the Basin about the Bay Oval criticism of his economy rate etc, so I avoided that one for now
Papamoa's finest is finally back into the attack now, and hopefully holds off the march of time for at least the rest of this series. Dragging the run rate back to 0/35 off 5 now.
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
the way they are batting, SL are looking good for a win. If they do that, a second game with entry to the WTC on the line would be superb to watch.
If we lose 2-0, is that SL confrimed? Or could India sneak in even then?
India get in if they win the 4th Aus-India test.
If India beat Australia in the fourth Test they will officially secure their final's spot, but a draw or a loss combined with two Sri Lanka wins over New Zealand will see Sri Lanka leap India and make the WTC final.
