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  • There are modules, training and more modules including refresher modules. There is privacy incident reporting even for near misses. Public servants get sacked for breaches and poor performance and I've seen both happen.

    None of that makes people do it or anyone noticing until there is an incident. Passwords are supposed to be used, but that doesn't make people do it, or make decent passwords.

    However, it's ever less clear about how Boag got the info, because it may have been a leak who ran a report and sent that as a spreadsheet. Edit: new story says apparently she got it as a daily report.



  • I'm still shaking my head over the utter stupidity of Boag passing along info then Walker leaking it. There's no public interest here. On multiple previous occasions when there have been privacy breaches, NZers get super pissy. This was never going to be a win.



  • When Walker gave his maiden speech in parliament he specifically mentioned Boag as his mentor.

    I reckon she sent it to him because it supported his contention that he wasn't being racist last week merely accurately summarising that most of the returnees are coming from COVID hot spots.

    So charitably: out of a blinkered loyalty to her little protégé she was a dumb fuck.

    She says she never thought he'd leak it. What did he think he was going to do with it. He'd already been censured by the party for his comments which should have been cleared by the media team before he released them so he is / was clearly a loose cannon.

    Boag should have known better - so either you buy into the wider conspiracy theories or accept that she had a massive brain fart.

    Either way she had a lot of cushy little media and board gigs which presumably are toast now.



  • @canefan said in NZ Politics:

    I guess it's like airlines still using black boxes instead of real time tech. No excuses for it apart from not wanting to spend the money

    They should be using both - they can serve different purposes but your point stands - the ability is there so it should be used. In this case it would appear to be lazy or incompetent, rather than expense.



  • @Snowy said in NZ Politics:

    @canefan said in NZ Politics:

    I guess it's like airlines still using black boxes instead of real time tech. No excuses for it apart from not wanting to spend the money

    They should be using both - they can serve different purposes but your point stands - the ability is there so it should be used. In this case it would appear to be lazy or incompetent, rather than expense.

    I suppose they would need to pay someone to install the required IT systems to safely transfer information? Either way there are no reasonable excuses. Especially considering the supposed level of privacy that we experience in our work when dealing with ACC for example



  • MoH has decent systems, but health has become so fragmented that they have no way of centralising using it effectively, and even if they had an externally accessible system with password controls, people would leak stuff.

    I mean, why the fuck is the rescue helicopter a charity instead of part of the MoH or the DHB?



  • @Godder and why do we have 20-odd DHB in a country of 5 million with centralised funding?



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder and why do we have 20-odd DHB in a country of 5 million with centralised funding?

    Sounds like a recipe for waste



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder and why do we have 20-odd DHB in a country of 5 million with centralised funding?

    Someone thought democracy was warranted, but it doesn't work for those because if an elected board member makes trouble, they get gagged.

    Luckily, H2 gave us a way forward.



  • @Godder I know, right. It's like competition in our electricity market, just a bit unusual. Streamlining really important.

    I'm not one for centralising stuff, but markets your can't opt out of are a bit weird to me. Water, electricity, health...



  • @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder I know, right. It's like competition in our electricity market, just a bit unusual. Streamlining really important.

    I'm not one for centralising stuff, but markets your can't opt out of are a bit weird to me. Water, electricity, health...

    Competition means scrimping on stuff like infrastructure improvement



  • @Godder Don’t get me started. WTF is the deal with ambulance services in general? Is there a clearer example of an essential service?



  • @JC said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder Don’t get me started. WTF is the deal with ambulance services in general? Is there a clearer example of an essential service?

    That’s never made sense to me, why are they required (ST Johns) to find raise just to keep themselves going? The other day they were talking about laying off staff because they are way down on $$$ due to covid. The lockdown etc meant their usual fund raising events couldn’t take place.
    Ludicrous.



  • I see Boag has played the sympathy card. 'I got carried away because I am so passionate'



  • @Crucial She keeps digging herself a deeper hole. And now that Woodhouse has come out and said he got emails as well, in JUNE, it just makes it worse.

    All National had to do was not be numpties, and let the screw ups for lockdown take their course. But nooooooooo.



  • @Godder Rescue helicopters and ambulances plus paramedics, should be fully funded parts of the health system. It pisses me off every time I see they aren't, and are struggling for funding or new equipment. It shouldn't have to be volunteers doing everything. That is a govt dereliction of duty.



  • Youd have thought of the fire service or ambulance service, its be the former that would need to raise thier own money (not downplaying thier job either BTW)

    Fire service got a huge increase in funding through fire service levies in 2017 I think it was.

    Unsure why ambulance isn't funded this way too or through ACC.



  • @Crucial said in NZ Politics:

    I see Boag has played the sympathy card. 'I got carried away because I am so passionate'

    And making it sound like this is a new thing for her. Like she never acted this way previously, during her 175 years with the National Party



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  • @canefan Currently Labour, NZ First and National are being investigated it seems (well, I suppose technically National's has finished as prosecutions are underway).

    Not sure what for unless either one of the Nat donors also donated to Labour, or the known issue around values of donated goods has come up again (it's reported correctly now, but there were no doubt errors by all parties until the Electoral Commission clarified the rules).

    For anyone not following that last issue, if an artist donates an artwork for an auction, say, then they are the donor up to the market value and the buyer is the donor above that. Until recently, it was believed that the artist was the only donor, and the buyer wasn't a donor. If the artist sells the art below market value to the party concerned, then that complicates it further (it adds GST complications as well).



  • @Godder so much for being holier than the rest



  • @Godder said in NZ Politics:

    Until recently, it was believed that the artist was the only donor, and the buyer wasn't a donor.

    ... which was used as a means of keeping donations hidden. NZF, Nats, Labour - all doing it. I suspect the Greens and ACT are just smaller and so haven't been pinged yet.

    Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I have no issue with people donating to political parties, but checks and balances mean it's important that is transparent.

    Everyone does this it appears, including the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had



  • @canefan said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder so much for being holier than the rest

    Not sure what you're on about, we don't know what the actual issue is as the SFO haven't confirmed anything yet.

    @nzzp said in NZ Politics:

    @Godder said in NZ Politics:

    Until recently, it was believed that the artist was the only donor, and the buyer wasn't a donor.

    ... which was used as a means of keeping donations hidden. NZF, Nats, Labour - all doing it. I suspect the Greens and ACT are just smaller and so haven't been pinged yet.

    Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I have no issue with people donating to political parties, but checks and balances mean it's important that is transparent.

    Everyone does this it appears, including the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had

    Until the Electoral Commission provided updated guidance on auctions of donated goods, everyone was doing it and believed it was legal.

    As one of the many electorate treasurers in the Labour Party (I completed the 2017 electorate return and have also done multiple local government election returns), the rules on campaign finance are arcane, and even top lawyers can disagree on how to apply the rules.

    The rules still allow quite large anonymous donations (I've never seen anything more than coins in the collection jar personally, but have heard stories of donors banking money via direct deposit at a branch or into smart ATMs), so reducing those limits is a major step in that sunlight.

    In terms of transparency, and vaguely adequate governance, Labour incorporated this year (they've been working on it for years, quite an involved process for a political party because of all the history and stakeholders), so will be filing annual financial returns at the Societies Office from now on. The Nats haven't bothered, and NZ First has their Foundation hiding assets, so at least Labour and the Greens have that.



  • After years of dedicated service national leader muller is finally stepping down.



  • @Billy-Tell That didn't last long.



  • @Billy-Tell said in NZ Politics:

    After years of dedicated service national leader muller is finally stepping down.

    bloody hell.

    The Key/English years seem a long time ago.



  • It is now clear to him that he isn't suited after running a coup, kicking out others and rearranging the careers of his colleagues?

    Doesn't exactly show great foresight.

    However, maybe I'm being harsh and he is doing this for his family and/or health



  • Always seemed poor timing when he took Simon's seat to have a crack at Cindy, esp for someone that lacked her charisma and appeal. Thought he was on a hiding to nothing and would fall after the election, how wrong was I!

    So who takes the chalice now? One of the girls surely?



  • @taniwharugby Soimon? He's got support within the caucus. Large rump were never happy he was rolled. He can say he's ready which is something no one else can.

    No one with any long term ambition would want it surely.

    Can Collins resist. You pricks may hate me but I've more balls than the lot of you....

    Mitchell's put his hand up before

    Really Nats are suffering for rolling English. He would have steadied things held Labour to account and organised a clean transition to a new leader mid 2019.



  • @dogmeat said in NZ Politics:

    Really Nats are suffering for rolling English. He would have steadied things held Labour to account and organised a clean transition to a new leader mid 2019.

    Did he get rolled or step down? Must be hard to continue mentally after getting 44% and having Winston pick the other lot



  • @dogmeat said in NZ Politics:

    @taniwharugby Soimon? He's got support within the caucus. Large rump were never happy he was rolled. He can say he's ready which is something no one else can.

    No one with any long term ambition would want it surely.

    Can Collins resist. You pricks may hate me but I've more balls than the lot of you....

    Mitchell's put his hand up before

    Really Nats are suffering for rolling English. He would have steadied things held Labour to account and organised a clean transition to a new leader mid 2019.

    Comedy from the National Party. Reminds me of Aussie type politics.



  • @dogmeat this is Simon this morning

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  • @taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:

    @dogmeat this is Simon this morning

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    Quality posting there, Moderator....



  • @Hooroo damn phone...

    edit - fixed



  • @nzzp rolled. His plan was to oversee a smooth transition to a new leader mid term.

    I'm sure he felt gutted after leading National to a stunning election night result but as a loyal party man was prepared to do the right thing. Once it was clear others weren't as loyal and were working to undermine him he was quite happy(?) to pull the plug.



  • Holy shit. Poor guy, I think he had a very limited understanding on how leadership post Siomen would go. I reckon he had to come in and knock it out of the park immediately and his early wobbles weren't a good sign. Then things got worse with the leaks and MPs like Paula leaving, while Collins continues grinning in the background. Snake pit!

    But I do hope he and his family are ok - it's a tough gig for sure.



  • Chewed up by the media after issues caused by his own colleagues (good one Hamish and Michelle).

    I said after his first speech that he didn't appear a natural thinker on the feet and that has given the ferals in the press the toe in the door to pressure him into making mistakes.

    I do have to say though, his tenure was strange in that he came in on a promise to show the country how National would be a better option for recovery but dished up zilch. Was just Bridges 2.0 without the lisp. Kept telling Labour that they should do something about something but no indication of what the Nats would do in their place.

    If the Nats now vote in Kaye they are definitely doomed. She can't keep her feet out of her mouth and her sour expression isn't the most marketable going.

    EDIT: bit slow there. Kaye it is. 😱

    EDIT Again: Get it right! Kaye just acting leader until a further caucus meeting

    Maybe she will find some non-maori maori and some chinese koreans for her shadow cabinet.



  • Just heard Winston's statement. The old boy doesn't let up does he?



  • @Crucial was it as he was walking out of Hospital? haha



  • @Crucial he's lethal isn't he! that was a superb burn.


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