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<p>According to the EU Commission president.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/national-borders-are-the-worst-invention-ever-says-ec-chief-jean-claude-juncker-a7204006.html'>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/national-borders-are-the-worst-invention-ever-says-ec-chief-jean-claude-juncker-a7204006.html</a></p>
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are the "worst invention ever"...<br><br>
According to the head of the EU Commission president.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/national-borders-are-the-worst-invention-ever-says-ec-chief-jean-claude-juncker-a7204006.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/national-borders-are-the-worst-invention-ever-says-ec-chief-jean-claude-juncker-a7204006.html</a><br><br>
And they wonder why Brexit happened.</p></blockquote>
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It just shows how out of touch people like Junckers are, the dompost was reporting yesterday the moves towards an eu army have sped up since the Brexit. -
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Locks on the doors of your house, also a terrible invention. People should be able to come in and be part of your family if they want and if you don't like it you're a bigot.</p></blockquote>
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Isn't this 1000% at odds with the entire point of the Schengen Agreement and indeed EU regulations? Free movement within the EU was supposed to be offset by very tight external borders. Why is this unelected bureaucrat from one of the smallest and most insignificant countries in Europe trying to undermine that?
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Europe was all about setting up borders after WW1, particularly in the MidEast. What happened?</p></blockquote>
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Seriously Nick. What kind of nonsensical comment is that? How can you compare colonial powers carving up a region with nation states in Europe having border controls.<br><br>
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<p>Fuck's sake you're a humourless fluffybunny some days.</p>
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<p>Isn't this 1000% at odds with the entire point of the Schengen Agreement and indeed EU regulations? Free movement within the EU was supposed to be offset by very tight external borders. Why is this unelected bureaucrat from one of the smallest and most insignificant countries in Europe trying to undermine that?</p>
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That was an attempt at humour? I apologize if it was Nick, but often it's impossible to say with you.
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<p>That was an attempt at humour? I apologize if it was Nick, but often it's impossible to say with you.</p>
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<p>Get your coat and try and dodge all the rotten fruit and veges on your way out NTA.</p>
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<p>Europe was all about setting up borders after WW1, particularly in the MidEast. What happened?</p>
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<p>I am actually not sure what your point is.</p>
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I am actually not sure what your point is.<br>
Are you saying you support his comment? Are against it?</p></blockquote>
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Do I have to be either? I'm hardly about to spruik myself as an expert on the EU, beyond saying it's hardly the postwar utopian paradise they imagined. <br><br>
Why would anyone imagine differently? Most nations can't run themselves with any level of agreement due to the way most political and social systems operate. Put them in a treaty and your not going to achieve anything like clarity or consensus. You're lucky most days to hammer out something approaching basic existence.<br><br>
Saying that Juncker isn't elected is to ignore he was. The WAY in which he was elected is the fault of the system, not the EU as a concept.<br><br>
People say a wider popular vote would be better, but any system can still be gamed. And a percentage if people will always be unhappy with the outcome.<br><br>
Lines on a map don't mean shit unless someone is going to back them. So in that case, his comment is asinine. <br><br><br><br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="609428" data-time="1472265714"><p>
That was an attempt at humour? I apologize if it was Nick, but often it's impossible to say with you.</p></blockquote>
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I'm an enigma wrapped in a riddle. <br><br><br>
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<p>Get your coat and try and dodge all the rotten fruit and veges on your way out NTA.</p>
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<p>Maybe it was a bad joke but it's a bit mean suggesting it was as unfunny as That Guy. ;)</p> -
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<p>Do I have to be either? I'm hardly about to spruik myself as an expert on the EU, beyond saying it's hardly the postwar utopian paradise they imagined.<br><br>
Why would anyone imagine differently? Most nations can't run themselves with any level of agreement due to the way most political and social systems operate. Put them in a treaty and your not going to achieve anything like clarity or consensus. You're lucky most days to hammer out something approaching basic existence.<br><br>
Saying that Juncker isn't elected is to ignore he was. The WAY in which he was elected is the fault of the system, not the EU as a concept.<br><br>
People say a wider popular vote would be better, but any system can still be gamed. And a percentage if people will always be unhappy with the outcome.<br><br>
Lines on a map don't mean shit unless someone is going to back them. So in that case, his comment is asinine.<br>
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<p>Why are you attempting to obfuscate so much?</p>
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<p>I dont give a crap about your attempts to sidetrack into discussing the middle east policies from Europe in the 1920's, I dont care how Junker was elected.</p>
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<p>Damn. What happened there?</p>
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<p>In any case, Ze Chermans are not happy:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-will-soon-have-to-deal-with-european-commission-president-jean-claude-juncker-sources-a7117536.html'>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-will-soon-have-to-deal-with-european-commission-president-jean-claude-juncker-sources-a7117536.html</a></p>
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<p></p><p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jean-claude-juncker'>Jean-Claude Juncker</a> is becoming a problem <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/AngelaMerkel'>Angela Merkel</a> will soon have to “deal†with, according to sources within the German government.
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<p>The President of the European Commission has faced criticism from a number of directions over his conduct following the outcome of Britain’s referendum on EU membership.</p>
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<p>A German minister told the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/berlin-tells-gloating-juncker-go-q73lw08dv'>Sunday Times</a> that Chancellor Merkel had come to regard Mr Juncker as “part of the problem†with the EU.</p>
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<p>The source said: “Juncker has time and again acted against the common interest, and his reaction to the British referendum has been very damaging.â€</p>
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<p>Mr Juncker’s rhetoric about Northern Ireland and Scottish independence - and especially his<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scotland-independent-europe-sturgeon-nicola-greece-without-sun-centre-policy-studies-a7115516.html'>meeting with SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon in Brussels</a> - were seen as “unnecessarily provocative,†the newspaper reported. </p>
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<p>“This is not a time for institutional bickering,†the source added, “but the pressure for him to resign will only become greater and chancellor Merkel will eventually have to deal with this next year.â€</p>
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<p>The European Commission President has been a key driver of increased European federalism and some regard his efforts as part of the reason for the reaction against the EU.</p>
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<p>While Ms Merkel is the most powerful European politician to apparently level criticism at Mr Juncker, she is not the only one.</p>
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<p>Shortly after the referendum result in June, the Czech foreign minister Lubomir Zaoralek <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-jean-claude-juncker-not-right-man-resign-czech-foreign-minister-a7105101.html'>called on Mr Juncker to resign</a>.</p>
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<p>"Right now I can't see the European Commission chairman as the right man for the job," Mr Zaoralek told Czech television.</p>
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<p>"I don't want to call on anyone [to resign], but... someone in the EU maybe should contemplate quitting, because [Brexit] is a responsibility someone should have assumed."</p>
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<p>He also said the EU Commission president did not do enough to prevent the loss of Britain from the EU.</p>
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<p>Mr Zaoralek added: "I would imagine the Commission is led by an honourable, trustworthy man who, in a situation when we are facing the loss of a leg or arm, might go to the country and tell the Britons: 'We want you to stay'."</p>
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<p>Officials from Poland, Hungary and Estonia have also criticised Mr Juncker.</p>
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<p>Maybe it was a bad joke but it's a bit mean suggesting it was as unfunny as That Guy. ;)</p>
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<p>Eat EVERY bag of dicks on earth for that comment Neps.</p>
