The Silver Fern

[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
Right! Went to the gym and got a proper weight from a digital machine rather than using the type that you slide the weight across the top of the bar.<br />
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Actual weight is 113.5 which slightly better.... but get this.   Body fat % of 36.3%  <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />  <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Chuuuuuuuuuubo!!!!<br />
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Had a personal training session and passed out.. truly.  I came round and he fed me a chalky tasting energy lollie thing... thought that would have been the end but nup!  We kept going.  When finished I just sat slumped in the changing rooms with head between legs trying not to throw up!!!<br />
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Excellent Session though.  Loved every waking moment of it and will carry it on.  It felt like the first 30 minutes of the first rugby game of the season.<br />
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Will check weight again 2 weeks today<br />
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MENTAL NOTE FOR HOOROO!!!!  Remember to eat breakfast before doing killer workout!!!<br />
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Told ya...Now you'll be eating Shreaded Wheat.<br />
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Oh and well done Hoo,keep up the good work.

[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
[quote name='RL']<br />
You eat shreaded wheat though,right?A real man can eat three.<br />
Shreddies are a bit girly.<br />
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Er no, Shreddies for me as that is all they have in that line at the Staff Restaurant.<br />
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Yeah ok.Wuss.

You eat shreaded wheat though,right?A real man can eat three.<br />
Shreddies are a bit girly.

[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
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Shreddies look more like 'shaped' bran<br />
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Mmmmmmmmm Shreddies! What's the one with Ian Botham in the advert? Is that "shreaded wheat" All I know is thay are good for you're heart. I never miss my fruit and fibre in the morning.Hate sugary cereals though.

[quote name='Miller V Jackson']<br />
Thanks guys and girl,<br />
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Yeah, I feel absolutely terrific RL. Still quite grumpy, but physically awesome. By the time the season proper begins I'll be absolutely flying. <br />
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Aren't you always grumpy though?

[quote name='Miller V Jackson']<br />
You bastards! I came home tonight and ............<br />
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Tourettes or what.<br />
Milly.Keep it up hun'.Out of ten how are you feeling (compared to before)? Have you gained a sense of well-being and inner balance yet?

Oh, and Kirwan,you know very well that I've got the same stamina as you for debating so this could go on all night.I'm happy and confident in my opinion as it's reasoning is sound enough considering my own wealth of experience of dieting and working in MDTs including dieticians,I've stated basic "science" if you like,you can play around with it as much as you want.I'd just advice ferners to be a bit more broad minded about diet and nutrition.

[quote name='Kirwan']<br />
I do OK RL, the last time I followed this "source" I lost 10kgs in four weeks.<br />
So you only think the exercise hard bit is good information in that post? So you reccommend taking pills to speed up your metabolism? Don't subscribe to a healthy, balanced diet? Don't think having breakfast is a good idea? Maybe you should read a little closer.<br />
And it was so obvious a point to eat the right foods often, I didn't think I had to mention it.<br />
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No, the point we are debating,which was never intended to be a debate,was your "little and often" as the best way for everyone to lose weight just because it works for you.I am not the one recommending anything to anyone,if anything I suggested that ferners ignore all of that and stick to good old exercise to increase metabolism as a basic and a surefire way of losing weight.The food debate is up to them. It's almost funny that you highlighted a point in that document to support your view, because if anythign it reinforces mine about effective digestion's relation to weight loss.See in bold.<br />
[quote]How Often We Eat<br />
[b]Our metabolic rate increases during digestion of food[/b], a process known as the Thermal Effect of food. In simple terms, if we go too long without food (5 hours for men; 3 hours for women), our body thinks there is a food shortage and our metabolism tends to slow down.<br />
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You take for granted that its is "obvious" that people know what types of food work well together in digestion thus making little and often eating seem like the miracle weightloss cure for all.However,the basic fact is that people don't know,and therefore it won't work for everyone as you think it will.[b]Our metabolic rate increases during digestion of food[/b] If the food isn't getting digested properly,as i strongly do not believe is possible to digest effectively in little and often dieting,it's not converting food into energy meaning little increase in metabolism..you know the rest.

Yes? And? It's not like I've never read likewise before Kirwan, I'm a woman afterall! I can tell you now,if that above source is what you are living by then you wont lose weight.It's fine taking information at face value but consider the other aspects that will influence it.For example.You can eat little and often but by looking at other sources of information you will find that if you are eating the wrong sorts of foods little and often (as I'm sure many "little and often" dieters do) then you'll find that you will not be digesting food properly.The problem with "little and often" is that protien foods for example take a good 3-4hours to digest.Lets say you've had a nice tasty piece of fish and a bit of salad or something then two hours later you snack on crackers or something carbo-wise like that,you haven't even given your protien time to digest.Where is the sense in eating at all if the food isn't going to get digested properly?It's crying out "store me!" Even if you try to avoid it you end up with bad eating habits such as eating too much of one sort of food to avoid indigestion and malabsorption,body gets stuck in a rut.<br />
No disrespect intended,but to other ferners, on the metabolism issue just read the bottom line of Kirwan's quote because in my humble opinion it's the only useful piece of info - basic thruth- there.

[quote name='Kirwan']<br />
[quote name='RL']<br />
[quote name='Kirwan']<br />
Supposed to eat six small meals a day and 2 litres of water.<br />
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Think it's important that you lot find what works for you.Water is all good,but the size and types of meals and how regular etc is really something you have to discover yourself.I know little and often works for some people,but it doesn't for others and you just have to get to know your own bod.Don't think that you HAVE to eat in a certain style.<br />
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I agree with that to a degree, but most people don't drink nearly enough water. 2 litres is a nice easy target, when I'm exercising I drink pretty much 3 litres a day.<br />
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I didn't and don't disagree about the water at all.Water is a must have,and plenty of it at that,but as for dieting styles,little and often doesn't always work for all people (note that I did say it works for some people) For some people it's more about letting what food you have had digest before forcing yourself to eat more food that won't get digested properly anyway.

I'm "the babe with the power,power of voodoo,who do,you do!"

[quote name='stoberon']<br />
What can you [b]fullas [/b]give me to not carbo load all the time.  I eat spuds/pasta/rice too often - have been getting on top of couscous (flavoured stuff is wicked) but I dunno if thats just more carbs or not.  I dont want to cut them out - just have a substitute to cut them down.<br />
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First of all I'll overlook the "fullas" comment. As for a substitue try a variety of beans? Aduki,soyabeans,lentils,pinto etc.I like them.Go to Holland and Barret or your local market.Learn to combine you're food too (i'll do a topic on it if anyone else is interested).After all,your digestive system has to be in tip top condition for successful weight loss and if you're consuming foods that don't digest well together you wont lose weight.Very simple.

Wow im proud of you lot.Keep up the hard work cheerleads "Woo-hoo go fat ferners"

[quote name='Miller V Jackson']<br />
I don't care what else you're doing, if you're running for an hour a day you have to be losing weight unless you're running after the pie van and consistently catching it. [/quote]<br />
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Quote of the year.