@sparky said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:

Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?

It was a club game.

@cantab79 said in AB Test Team v France.:

Can't believe people are seriously suggesting that Steve Hansen has not called up Akira Ioane because he is saving him for the Maori team. Is there any precedent to back up this theory? Luke Whitelock has outplayed Ioane at both Super Rugby and Mitre 10 Cup levels this year, and that's why he's been selected.

How does that pie taste?

Took a drive yesterday (only 5 km over the regional border) to a farm in the Wairarapa and picked up a new pup. 3 month old black lab. Very cool little fella. This will keep me busy.

Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.

Next on Tana's list are @Kirwan and @Duluth

@jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

@booboo said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

@jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

@jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):

Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful

Was on the ITV coverage.

He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.

Excellent.

A quarter final exit is an Irish tradition isn’t it?

Planet Rugby’s Ireland fans are still delivering gold

“We knew all of this in advance.
That’s why Joe player what he felt was his best team.

In cooler weather, better ref, neutral location both teams given the same amount of rest and our B team puts 40 points on them.

Do we really think that Japan making the quarters wasn’t just what WR wanted?

At this rate Japan might make the semis or better.

Reminds me of Korea/Japan WC in the football.”

Also a whole thread about how bent Gardner is

http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=91481&sid=5594db999ca625c55956a0becc14a9dc

I don’t remember bok fans being this graceless at all and their team came back and gave ours a hell of a game in the semis.
I hope Heneke Meyer had a smile on his face last night .
The only downside for Japan is no one in their pool is going to take them lightly so they’ll be playing their top side if possible.

As a neutralish observer (I was obviously backing Japan) I didn't notice any obvious issues with the officiating. Did anyone? (Haven't read the thread.)

What are their specific whinge? Or is it just victim mentality?

Some of them have been saying Japan had an advantage because they play in the super rugby comp and are more used to the way Gardner refs .

Victim mentality, delusions of grandeur or just ungracious arseclowns? Take your pick

According to comments on the42 Ireland were beaten by some fella called Hugh Middity.
He wasn’t on the team sheets but must have been there because everyone is saying “Hi, Hugh Middity”

@allblacksfan72 said in Are there any All Blacks wildcards left ?:

How about George bridge? Has all the qualities needed for test rugby

A red and black jersey?

Can someone please correct this thread title. It is doing my head in.

@Catogrande said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:

@MajorRage said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:

@Crucial said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:

Freedom of speech still exists - anyone (in most countries) - anyone is free to say anything. What happens as a consequence is the debated point

A society where you can lose your job for legally expressing an opinion is not a society which has freedom of speech.

Sportsmen and woman who express an opinion and speak out for gay rights (rightly) aren't dropped from their teams - but those with an opposite view are.

As you say, sport reflects society.

Legally, I can call my boss a fucking piston wristed gibbon. I can shout it from the rooftops if I want, legally.

Freedom of speech means I can’t lose my job?

It would help us enormously if we knew who you worked for.

Self employed?

SBW is there over Laumape for a number of reasons (experience in general, experience at RWCs) but most importantly he is the better player for the gameplay and structure.
He is there to be in pod one which involves bending the line and recycling quickly out to the second playmaker.
NL is great at bending the line but his ball handling is not at SBWs level.
I probably would have had NL there over Crotty but concede that loses some squad flexibility.
NL is just unlucky not undeserving

@Kirwan I'm not letting anyone off the hook. I'm also not throwing shit when I don't know where the blame lies. I'll wait and stockpile for that.
I'm talking more about the chains of decision makers below govt that are useless. DHBs don't seem to be able to piss in a jar. DoH have chains and chains of advisors with responsibility hard to find (eg what ever happened about the leak of names or explanation on why Boag was even receiving them to her private email?).
Those are things that any govt has to battle through. You are correct in saying that their are degrees of how well you can make it work. I'm simply adding that all the best will in the world won't create perfection in this complicated environment.
Let's equate it to software development and how all the money spent on build, test and deploy can still result in bugs that look bloody obvious once experienced after release. Was the fault with testing? Release Management? Governance? or was it simply an unforseen combination that looks like an obvious miss? I bet those paying for the release trusted evryone in the chain to do their job correctly and that the processes were pretty clearly explained.

@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial I agree, there is no guarantee that this wouldn't have happened under the Nat's watch too. I guess we will wait to see if they can work out what went wrong

You can only play the team in front of you right? Absolving Labour of responsibility for screwing this all up because a theoretical National government may or may not be better is just ridiculous.

Labour are the government, they are responsible for how this being managed. They took the poll bump when it "went well" (At what cost to our futures?) they can take the lumps when their inadequacies are laid bare.

I not calling for absolution at all. Simply saying that changing the head of this beast wont necessarily fix the problems.
Ultimately govts can provide policy and directives but they don't get to employ long term appointments in public services. They can try hard to get rid of incompetence but sometimes it is hard to move or takes a whole term just to get change happening.

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

I am sure patient zero was not a family member but in fact someone working in quarantine services. Either the government know and are working out how to spin the embarassment, or our contact tracing is so fucked they haven't worked it out. Or this family are not being as helpful as they could be in identifying the leak (cultural more than wilful obstruction)

It has to be right? Even IF we had amazingly strict border and quarantine measures in place that would logically be the most likely place to start looking. Dig through all the details and records of ALL staff and try to trace their where abouts and possible links to this family.

They would love to believe it came from that cold store. I can't see it, the virus would die in transit surely

The coldstore thing is simply eliminating a(remote) possibility. You’d be screaming if they didn’t check.

Man there’s a lot of headless chook surmising going on at the moment. I understand that we are in a knowledge vacuum around this but FFS, lining up the firing squad before knowing the crime?

I don't know about you, but after the Melbourne cautionary tale, and all the stories of near misses in our own systems, I expect to be off work and out of pocket for another few weeks. It leaves me thinking

Yeah but it’s oversimplification to say ‘one job.
I’m not excusing incompetence if that is the cause but we don’t know the cause or if it was a risk not covered eg frozen imports
We are still learning how this thing works so can hardly plug gaps that we can’t see

I agree this thing is unforgiving, hardly just a flu. Mistakes will be made. But there are no excuses for lack of testing and breakdown of protocols. If this was a quarantine failure I think it is time to bring in the army to enforce quarantine. At least they stand a good chance of following orders

The army are no more trained to deal with this situation than anyone else. In fact so much would be unworkable because they would only follow explicit orders.
Not quite sure how many spare service folk are around waiting to do this either.
What type of quarantine failure are you referring to anyway? A breakout? The isolation facilities aren’t high security prisons so putting more army in charge doesn’t solve anything there.
As for the testing of handling staff, the numbers being thrown around by press are misleading. They are counting people that have no risk of contact.
Look, I know that plenty of mistakes have been made but (and this is no excuse) you need to realise that this is being arranged by public servants who are pretty incompetent at their own jobs let alone something new.
It’s all very well expecting better performance but you are unlikely to get it or get a better capability of personal in those jobs. The cultures within those organisations don’t exactly attract the best.
These problems would happen no matter who the govt is. Yelling and complaining at them doesn’t improve capabilities.

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

I am sure patient zero was not a family member but in fact someone working in quarantine services. Either the government know and are working out how to spin the embarassment, or our contact tracing is so fucked they haven't worked it out. Or this family are not being as helpful as they could be in identifying the leak (cultural more than wilful obstruction)

It has to be right? Even IF we had amazingly strict border and quarantine measures in place that would logically be the most likely place to start looking. Dig through all the details and records of ALL staff and try to trace their where abouts and possible links to this family.

They would love to believe it came from that cold store. I can't see it, the virus would die in transit surely

The coldstore thing is simply eliminating a(remote) possibility. You’d be screaming if they didn’t check.

Man there’s a lot of headless chook surmising going on at the moment. I understand that we are in a knowledge vacuum around this but FFS, lining up the firing squad before knowing the crime?

I don't know about you, but after the Melbourne cautionary tale, and all the stories of near misses in our own systems, I expect to be off work and out of pocket for another few weeks. It leaves me thinking

Yeah but it’s oversimplification to say ‘one job.
I’m not excusing incompetence if that is the cause but we don’t know the cause or if it was a risk not covered eg frozen imports
We are still learning how this thing works so can hardly plug gaps that we can’t see

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

I am sure patient zero was not a family member but in fact someone working in quarantine services. Either the government know and are working out how to spin the embarassment, or our contact tracing is so fucked they haven't worked it out. Or this family are not being as helpful as they could be in identifying the leak (cultural more than wilful obstruction)

It has to be right? Even IF we had amazingly strict border and quarantine measures in place that would logically be the most likely place to start looking. Dig through all the details and records of ALL staff and try to trace their where abouts and possible links to this family.

They would love to believe it came from that cold store. I can't see it, the virus would die in transit surely

The coldstore thing is simply eliminating a(remote) possibility. You’d be screaming if they didn’t check.

Man there’s a lot of headless chook surmising going on at the moment. I understand that we are in a knowledge vacuum around this but FFS, lining up the firing squad before knowing the crime?

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

I am sure patient zero was not a family member but in fact someone working in quarantine services. Either the government know and are working out how to spin the embarassment, or our contact tracing is so fucked they haven't worked it out. Or this family are not being as helpful as they could be in identifying the leak (cultural more than wilful obstruction)

That’s a great deal of guesswork going on there.

@Toddy said in AB Captain:

@Crucial like Ioane, Sotutu, Robinson, Papalii, Frizzel etc.

None of which have proven to do that at top level (yet)

@shark said in AB Captain:

@Crucial said in AB Captain:

@antipodean said in AB Captain:

@shark said in AB Captain:

I've never been a fan of the Cane appointment. Completely uninspiring choice and Savea should be the starting openside flanker.

Is that bait or humour? I forget which thread i'm in.

One of the big contributing factors in last year's failures was a lack of dominant tackling. Made even more puzzling by Cane's omission in the semi.

2019
draw v SA - Cane didn't play
loss v Aus - Cane subbed after 50 minutes with Ardie remaining on
loss to England -Cane played the second half with Ardie at 7

Yes we're always hearing about Cane's scary, scary tackling...umm...

Actually we do hear about him being one of the hardest hitters out there from those he tackles.
Ardie is a top player. Great fighting on his feet and more athletic than Cane but certainly isn’t a hard tackler.
If we find a 6 and 8 that start sitting people down then your argument has more validity

@SynicBast s next art project

@SynicBast said in Lockdown Check In:

Status Update:
Job hunting has been interesting, and the interviews even more so - I'll leave it at that, although I am not surprised at the lack of basic reading and listening comprehension skills of several interviewers.
Highlight of the last fortnight: someone actually apologetically told me I looked like Lenin, but I took pity on them and didn't admit that was the exact plan.

I have a part time gig cleaning the lodge five days a week - minimum wage, but it keeps me focused and active. Plus I get to be THAT GUY when I see people ignoring basic hygiene and not cleaning up after themselves in the kitchen and dining room.

Some decent new arrivals lately, including a young woman from the same part of France where my daughters are living - nice to be able to get my spoken french back on track and up to speed, although she did make the point that my French betrays my age nicely.

Missing some important details there man.
Like how hot the french chick is.
You are denying us!