SBW out? Rieko to 12!

TSF version of Godwin’s law:

“As a thread grows longer, the probability of discussing the RWC failure or Akira Ioane approaches 1”

There's been some comments in the media that the current situation is similar to all the other Blues coaches. I thought I would check out the win percentages vs other NZ sides

Yes, the form of the NZ teams has ebbed and flowed but they are generally strong. Also, they are the one constant across the various number of teams, competition structure etc

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Umaga 6.7%

15 games 1 win

The one win was the first game vs the Highlanders (33-31)

If his team the next 5 NZ games (2 vs Crusaders, 2 vs Hurricanes, 1 vs Highlanders) he can just edge in front of Kirwan

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Kirwan 29%

24 games 7 wins
(3 Hurricanes, 2 Highlanders, 2 Crusaders)

Crap

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Lam 37.5%

24 games 9 wins
(4 Highlanders, 2 Chiefs, 2 Hurricanes, 1 Crusaders)

I think there has to be a note about the injury crisis in Lams fourth season. Crazy number of injuries, players with no NPC experience starting... locks in particular, we were starting our 7th choice lock with a loosie next to him etc

First three seasons prior to that injury crisis:
9/16 56.3%

This included the best streak since Henry: 6 in a row versus NZ teams. The streak Included all other NZ sides. That season was the last time the Blues made the playoffs

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Nucifora 50%

6/12
(2 Chiefs, 2 Highlanders, 1 Hurricanes, 1 Crusaders)

A bad first season cemented reputation then his team went ok (0-4 in that first year)

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Sloane 52.9%

9/17
(3 Crusaders, 2 Chiefs, 2 Hurricanes, 2 Highlanders)

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Various 1 season coaches all got 50%

Yes, even Jed Rowlands

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Henry 92.9%

13/14

13 in a row before losing the final in 98

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Clearly Henry belongs in his own category.

From 1999-2011 all of these coaches had a minimum of 50% success rate against NZ teams:
Rowlands 50%
Hunter 50%
Oliver 50%
Sloane 52.9%
Nucifora 50%
Lam 56.3%

Sure, thats not good enough, but they were competitive. They all got a lot of criticism in the press compared to the current coach.

Then came the injury crisis in Lam’s fourth season. I have never been convinced the right action was to sack Lam after that amount of injuries. He had very little support in the media and from the board so he had no chance.

The new normal of shittness has settled in under Kirwan/Umaga

I want to have a thread where I can make my political points and no one can disagree with me.

@stargazer

I'm going. I will give comprehensive updates on everyone that doesn't play for Hawkes Bay

@Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

@Hooroo Punch a teammate, punch the opposition, punch the missus?

This seems like a good time to bump these posts:

@chchfanatic said in NRL 2019:

kick the useless prick out and never let him put a jersey on again. Wife beaters are up there with paedophiles in my book. What a waste of talent. Fucking loser

@chchfanatic said in NRL 2019:

would you want him playing for your club. Imagine what message that sends to the female members of the club. I say go and get a real job mate.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks starting 10: Beauden Barrett or Richie Mo'unga:

No, he had low scores in the first 3 rounds. Currently, he's kicking better than BB, but obviously, if you average it, BB is still higher.

But if you ignore some of BB misses his %age is even higher

I wonder if Hillary told Jacinda about her links with Sir Edmund?

As told by Mark Steyn:

...in the mid-Nineties when she visited New Zealand and met Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Everest, and for some reason decided to tell him he was the guy her parents had named her after.

Hmm. Edmund Hillary reached the top of Everest in 1953. Hillary Rodham was born in 1947, when Sir Edmund was an obscure New Zealand beekeeper and a somewhat unlikely inspiration for two young parents in the Chicago suburbs.

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Eventually, when it was noticed that Hillary was born six years before the ascent of Everest, Clinton aides tried assuring skeptics that her parents had seen a press interview with Sir Edmund in his beekeeping days, Mr. and Mrs. Rodham apparently being the only Illinois subscribers to The New Zealand Apiarist. 

@Will_G said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Itoje

Oh, hi

What brings you back here?

@paekakboyz said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

Wish there was a 50/50 choice

It’s not tiddlywinks

@Bovidae

It was mentioned on a tv news piece.

I guess it depends on a couple of things. The club might be concerned about the player getting injured. Also Lam probably has a lot of off field stuff to sort out because he's moving to a new country.

@Bovidae

The Hurricanes confirmed that Lam is leaving during the competition

Ben Lam's contract finishes during this new competition. Hopefully that means Rayasi gets plenty of game time

I split the UK stuff into it's own thread:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3982/coronavirus-uk/25

It was getting hard to follow the two different conversations happening in this thread

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/121617810/super-rugby-quake-jolts-freezing-soaked-hurricanes-on-return-to-training

Japan's results are interesting
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-22/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing

@taniwharugby

My point is more that you can't compare them to NZ. Our geographic isolation, luck that other 'canaries' were further up the coal mine etc.. those factors make any comparison meaningless

Comparing Sweden to it's neighbours still gives you a comparison of responses

@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:

But with a population double our size and almost 4,000 deaths, has the cost to thier economy been ok while sacrificing some peoples lives?

Comparing Sweden to it's neighbours is more valid

@canefan

Oh it’s definitely a virus bump (plus Bridges poor media persona)

The changing incentives for the Greens and NZF should make the race nasty