SBW out? Rieko to 12!

TSF version of Godwin’s law:

“As a thread grows longer, the probability of discussing the RWC failure or Akira Ioane approaches 1”

There's been some comments in the media that the current situation is similar to all the other Blues coaches. I thought I would check out the win percentages vs other NZ sides

Yes, the form of the NZ teams has ebbed and flowed but they are generally strong. Also, they are the one constant across the various number of teams, competition structure etc

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Umaga 6.7%

15 games 1 win

The one win was the first game vs the Highlanders (33-31)

If his team the next 5 NZ games (2 vs Crusaders, 2 vs Hurricanes, 1 vs Highlanders) he can just edge in front of Kirwan

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Kirwan 29%

24 games 7 wins
(3 Hurricanes, 2 Highlanders, 2 Crusaders)

Crap

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Lam 37.5%

24 games 9 wins
(4 Highlanders, 2 Chiefs, 2 Hurricanes, 1 Crusaders)

I think there has to be a note about the injury crisis in Lams fourth season. Crazy number of injuries, players with no NPC experience starting... locks in particular, we were starting our 7th choice lock with a loosie next to him etc

First three seasons prior to that injury crisis:
9/16 56.3%

This included the best streak since Henry: 6 in a row versus NZ teams. The streak Included all other NZ sides. That season was the last time the Blues made the playoffs

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Nucifora 50%

6/12
(2 Chiefs, 2 Highlanders, 1 Hurricanes, 1 Crusaders)

A bad first season cemented reputation then his team went ok (0-4 in that first year)

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Sloane 52.9%

9/17
(3 Crusaders, 2 Chiefs, 2 Hurricanes, 2 Highlanders)

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Various 1 season coaches all got 50%

Yes, even Jed Rowlands

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Henry 92.9%

13/14

13 in a row before losing the final in 98

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Clearly Henry belongs in his own category.

From 1999-2011 all of these coaches had a minimum of 50% success rate against NZ teams:
Rowlands 50%
Hunter 50%
Oliver 50%
Sloane 52.9%
Nucifora 50%
Lam 56.3%

Sure, thats not good enough, but they were competitive. They all got a lot of criticism in the press compared to the current coach.

Then came the injury crisis in Lam’s fourth season. I have never been convinced the right action was to sack Lam after that amount of injuries. He had very little support in the media and from the board so he had no chance.

The new normal of shittness has settled in under Kirwan/Umaga

I want to have a thread where I can make my political points and no one can disagree with me.

@stargazer

I'm going. I will give comprehensive updates on everyone that doesn't play for Hawkes Bay

@Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

@Hooroo Punch a teammate, punch the opposition, punch the missus?

This seems like a good time to bump these posts:

@chchfanatic said in NRL 2019:

kick the useless prick out and never let him put a jersey on again. Wife beaters are up there with paedophiles in my book. What a waste of talent. Fucking loser

@chchfanatic said in NRL 2019:

would you want him playing for your club. Imagine what message that sends to the female members of the club. I say go and get a real job mate.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks starting 10: Beauden Barrett or Richie Mo'unga:

No, he had low scores in the first 3 rounds. Currently, he's kicking better than BB, but obviously, if you average it, BB is still higher.

But if you ignore some of BB misses his %age is even higher

I wonder if Hillary told Jacinda about her links with Sir Edmund?

As told by Mark Steyn:

...in the mid-Nineties when she visited New Zealand and met Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Everest, and for some reason decided to tell him he was the guy her parents had named her after.

Hmm. Edmund Hillary reached the top of Everest in 1953. Hillary Rodham was born in 1947, when Sir Edmund was an obscure New Zealand beekeeper and a somewhat unlikely inspiration for two young parents in the Chicago suburbs.

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Eventually, when it was noticed that Hillary was born six years before the ascent of Everest, Clinton aides tried assuring skeptics that her parents had seen a press interview with Sir Edmund in his beekeeping days, Mr. and Mrs. Rodham apparently being the only Illinois subscribers to The New Zealand Apiarist. 

@Will_G said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Itoje

Oh, hi

What brings you back here?

After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir

@Stargazer said in Rebels v Brumbies:

Just tuned in. Can't believe the score on the score board!

Rebels deserve the lead. Good hands despite the conditions, winning the kicking battles etc

Good first 15mins for Rebels. Up by two tries and they survived a couple of Brumbies attacking lineouts

This weeks club sides: https://www.sporty.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=897f5cf5-2bd7-4a31-bdc7-a43dce995f98

Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Braydon Ennor, Jack Goodhue, George Bridge, Richie Mo’unga, Bryn Hall, Whetukamokamo Douglas, Tom Christie, Tom Sanders, Quinten Strange, Samuel Whitelock, Michael Alaalatoa, Codie Taylor, Joe Moody

Reserves: Andrew Makalio, George Bower, Oliver Jager, Luke Romano, Sione Havili, Mitchell Drummond, Brett Cameron, Leicester Fainga’anuku

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300076598/super-rugby-crusaders-accustomed-to-them-versus-everyone-else-mentality

@Tim said in Blues 2020:

I think the current config max is 41k?

They should add the temp seats in front of the North and South stands

Waratahs

1 Tom Robertson, 2 Tom Horton, 3 Harry Johnson-Holmes, 4 Ned Hanigan, 5 Rob Simmons, 6 Lachie Swinton, 7 Michael Hooper, 8 Jack Dempsey, 9 Jake Gordon, 10 Will Harrison, 11 Alex Newsome, 12 Karmichael Hunt, 13 Lalakai Foketi, 14 James Ramm, 15 Jack Maddocks
Reserves: 16 Andrew Tuala, 17 Angus Bell, 18 Tetera Faulkner, 19 Tom Staniforth/Jed Holloway, 20 Hugh Sinclair, 21 Mitch Short, 22 Joey Walton, 23 Ben Donaldson

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Reds

1 Dane Zander, 2 Brandon Paenga-Amosa, 3 Taniela Tupou, 4 Angus Blyth, 5 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 6 Angus Scott-Young, 7 Liam Wright, 8 Harry Wilson, 9 Scott Malolua, 10 James O’Connor, 11 Filipo Daugunu, 12 Hamish Stewart, 13 Hunter Paisami, 14 Jordan Petaia, 15 Jock Campbell
Reserves: 16 Alex Mafi, 17 Jack Straker, 18 Zane Nonggorr, 19 Tuaina Taii Tualima, 20 Fraser McReight, 21 Tate McDermott, 22 Bryce Hegarty, 23 Josh Flook

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Petaia with his first start in a long time

Nawaqanitawase dropped from the Tahs?

Rebels

1 Cameron Orr, 2 Jordan Uelese, 3 Jermaine Ainsley, 4 Matt Philip, 5 Trevor Hosea, 6 Josh Kemeny, 7 Brad Wilkin, 8 Isi Naisarani, 9 Frank Lomani, 10 Andrew Deegan, 11 Marika Koroibete, 12 Matt To’omua (c), 13 Campbell Magnay 14 Andrew Kellaway, 15 Reece Hodge
Reserves: 16 Efitusi Ma’afu, 17 Jacobus Eloff, 18 Vaiilli Fa’amausili, 19 Michael Stolberg, 20 Richard Hardwick, 21 Rob Leota, 22 James Tuttle, 23 Billy Meakes

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Brumbies

1 Scott Sio, 2 Folau Fainga’a, 3 Allan Alaalatoa, 4 Darcy Swain, 5 Nick Frost, 6 Rob Valetini, 7 Tom Cusack, 8 Pete Samu, 9 Joe Powell, 10 Bayley Kuenzle, 11 Andy Muirhead, 12 Irae Simone, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 14 Solomone Kata, 15 Tom Banks
Reserves: 16 Connal McInerney, 17 Harry Lloyd, 18 Tom Ross, 19 Will Miller, 20 Ben Hyne, 21 Ryan Lonergan, 22 Mack Hansen, 23 Len Ikitau

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Rebels with a few changes int he backs. To’omua in the midfield this week.

@taniwharugby said in Blues 2020:

@KiwiMurph although, signing a 'kid' to a full 3 year contract is part of the problem in NZ rugby...some make the step up, but many dont, avoiding the pathway of club or development sides.

I realise it has been this way for some time, but doesnt mean I have ot agree with it.

It's just the way it is now

There were complaints on TSF that Sotutu signed a long contract despite only having a handful of NPC games.
Imagine the whining if he was with another franchise now?

I wonder who he is replacing? Probably Tucker or Carroll?

@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:

it's got to the point now where i can't see how we win. What advantage do we have that we can exploit?

The Kirwan/Umaga years have made me an expert at clutching at straws

Chiefs losing margins in this comp:
1, 12, 5, 7, 2, 4, 13

One moment of cheese and you get one more try

One more try and it would've been 4 wins, 2 losses and a game taken to extra time