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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:

Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.

If you don’t meltdown after nearly conceding 50 in a Bledisloe game something is wrong with you

@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.

However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.

The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.

And a cratered economy is a damn sight harder on people on the other side.

This is exactly the sort of scare mongering that drove that poll result.

The original justification for this lockdown was not to eliminate the disease but to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed. That has been achieved and over the last four weeks process and capacity has been added to help even more with that.

So let’s move down the levels fast, test appropriately, contain regional reoccurrence, and get back to normalise life.

Even today Cindy was downplaying the huge impact this is having on the economy. “Doing in tough” is not even close to what’s coming IMO.

@crucial said in All Blacks Squad for France:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Squad for France:

This thread is starting to resemble the good old days around AB selection time ,

All we need is Toeava to make himself available .

DMac is the new Toeava

Toeava could play ten.

@Winger said in US Politics:

This is becoming a weird election. I just can't see the Democrats even getting close unless they cheat.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/the-democrats-embarrass-themselves-again.php

We are approaching a very weird election in which one of our major parties is taking a stand in favor of rioting, looting, arson, destruction of federal property, and violent attacks on law enforcement. The Democrats seem to think that this is a winning formula. If it is, our republic is doomed. While we may be in deep trouble, I don’t think we are that far gone yet.

I agree with this last bit. But who knows

Of course it's going to be close. You are a prime example of why, people have picked Team A or Team B and no matter what their team does they will vote for it.

Somewhere on cyberspace there is a poster called Fullback that posting as fervently as you are about Biden/Hillary/Bernie.

Helps with disappointment that a quality bloke is lifting the trophy

Nah, you lose the ability for a Japan vs SA or Ireland upset if you do that.

I like the alternative of the plate competition I saw mentioned the other day, so there is more to play for after the top two pool spots.

@sapetyvi said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:

@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:

@mariner4life said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:

@snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:

@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:

Cn one of you clear the air by posting some photos of her? I don't know how to get them from instagram to the fern.

No. She's my first officer and you reprobates can't have her.

do you get her to hold your cock and then aim for turbulence?

Fuck your drinks passengers, I'm getting a jerky handjob

What the fuck did I just watch? Can someone ban jegga? Or me?

Considering it for not having seen Airplane.

@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Highlanders:

Im not gonna rip into Tana too hard cos it's a long season but cripes you have to question some things. Blues need SBW at 12 as soon as they can - Moala is a beast but his distribution aint much chop - Rieko barely sees the ball at all - let alone in space.

The game plan seems to be not to use our backs until we have won a bomb. We had the same issues last week with Francis at 12.

Collins has given us nothing on attack, Duffy only seems to be good at catching bombs and we leave a player like Nanai on the bench!

With so many players having poor games, it's hard to tell if it's a good game plan or not I suppose. But I don't think it suits the players we have.

So two strikes against Tana here, selection and game plan and what the hell is Jackson doing with the set piece? Two hookers that can't hit their target and the scrum is inconsistent as all hell.

Highlanders shouldn't get away without any criticism as well, they were equally as poor as the Blues and only scored a try because Ranger is a shadow of his former self.

I took my son to this game and he spent a good portion of the second half making a blindfold out of his flag. The guy behind me (in full Blues gear) commented that he wished he had one too.

@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

Unfortunately complacency seems to be hard wired into Kiwi DNA.

People not getting tested when they had symptoms is inexcusable.

Doctors not testing people who had symptoms is inexcusable.

Fuck knuckle retards trying to break out of (and into) isolation is inexcusable.

But the government has to shoulder a massive amount of the blame because there was plenty of evidence even before COVID that there is always a hard core of the population who won't do the right thing and feel laws and regulations don't apply to them.

We all know it so why not plan to counter it.

What is really criminal is the apparent disconnect between the public pronouncements about vigilance, the border is our defence, don't relax your efforts, COVID is a tricky virus, it will come back etc and the lack of action to enforce those blithe utterances.

If the border was our first defence what's the penalty for abandoning your post in the face of the enemy?

I'd like this twice if I could.

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Kirwan I'm not letting anyone off the hook. I'm also not throwing shit when I don't know where the blame lies. I'll wait and stockpile for that.
I'm talking more about the chains of decision makers below govt that are useless. DHBs don't seem to be able to piss in a jar. DoH have chains and chains of advisors with responsibility hard to find (eg what ever happened about the leak of names or explanation on why Boag was even receiving them to her private email?).
Those are things that any govt has to battle through. You are correct in saying that their are degrees of how well you can make it work. I'm simply adding that all the best will in the world won't create perfection in this complicated environment.
Let's equate it to software development and how all the money spent on build, test and deploy can still result in bugs that look bloody obvious once experienced after release. Was the fault with testing? Release Management? Governance? or was it simply an unforseen combination that looks like an obvious miss? I bet those paying for the release trusted evryone in the chain to do their job correctly and that the processes were pretty clearly explained.

Using software development as the analogy, I wouldn't blame the developers or testers if a feature wasn't working if management hadn't asked for the feature in the first place, or not set priorities properly for the roadmap.

The buck stops at the top. If the people below aren't getting the job done, it's also their job to fix that.

We had zero cases and a shut down border. We had weekly stories about people escaping from quarantine.

It's obvious where the issue is.

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial I agree, there is no guarantee that this wouldn't have happened under the Nat's watch too. I guess we will wait to see if they can work out what went wrong

You can only play the team in front of you right? Absolving Labour of responsibility for screwing this all up because a theoretical National government may or may not be better is just ridiculous.

Labour are the government, they are responsible for how this being managed. They took the poll bump when it "went well" (At what cost to our futures?) they can take the lumps when their inadequacies are laid bare.

I not calling for absolution at all. Simply saying that changing the head of this beast wont necessarily fix the problems.
Ultimately govts can provide policy and directives but they don't get to employ long term appointments in public services. They can try hard to get rid of incompetence but sometimes it is hard to move or takes a whole term just to get change happening.

People need to be held accountable for poor decision making. What you posted above sounds pretty close to blaming the people trying to implement the policy and letting Cindy et all completely off the hook.

If so, that's incredibly unfair. I saw posts on social media blaming the quarantine workers for not getting themselves tested, you are right in line with that sort of thinking.

What sort of idiot organisation doesn't test the people working with people that have been quarantined? I think we all just assumed that was happening right?

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Kirwan if you read my previous posts you will find me in agreement with you...

I'm furiously agreeing with you then.

@nzzp Completely agree that Apple does some sketchy things that are anti-competitive on store. They also don't treat developers consistently either

@antipodean It's a good distraction from the quarantine failures. Could argue it's right out of the Trump playbook....

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Crucial I agree, there is no guarantee that this wouldn't have happened under the Nat's watch too. I guess we will wait to see if they can work out what went wrong

You can only play the team in front of you right? Absolving Labour of responsibility for screwing this all up because a theoretical National government may or may not be better is just ridiculous.

Labour are the government, they are responsible for how this being managed. They took the poll bump when it "went well" (At what cost to our futures?) they can take the lumps when their inadequacies are laid bare.

@Virgil said in Apple:

@nzzp said in Apple:

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

is it a monoploly though?

Their trouble for Apple is they only allow apps from their store. To install third party apps requires jail breaking the device and invalidating the warranty

Google allow third party apps, so don't have the same monopoly

Doesn’t that open up the risk of dodgy apps being installed? For all the over the top controls Apple has it does keep you with a clean tight device.

Yes. Much harder to get malware on an Apple phone for that reason, and much easier to protect your personal information.

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

@nzzp i kind of see that as the digital equivalent of "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...in my store i set the rules...you can still go to a different store hardly a monopoly

Yes, it's not a monopoly. Particularly as you have a choice of phone hardware (where andriod is easily the most popular platform) and two other stores from Google and Samsung.

Apple pays for all the infrastructure and costs associated with running the app store, so it's perfectly reasonable to charge for having you apps on it. The issue is what should that charge be?

@Kiwiwomble said in Apple:

@Kirwan yeah...tablet might have been easier than my Iphone 6....

I couldn't play it on either, to be honest. Even using the controller.