@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

The problem with the overthrows is I have never seen it ruled that way. I don't see why they would suddenly say it was only five runs because it is a final.

Because it is nearly always from a sprint for a quick single where they have crossed before the throw.

I have to say, I thought the NZ v West Indies game I attended was one of the best ODIs I have ever seen - I never thought there would be 2 more involving NZ to surpass it in the same tournament.

@dogmeat said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Catogrande I agree about the dynamics but the caveat to that is there were only two balls remaining and Stokes would have been off strike. At that late stage of the game it was hugely influential whereas if it had been 10 overs earlier it would have been an interesting pub quiz what happened next but no more.

I'm not bitter - I am hugely disappointed for the team who I think were the better side on the day. I think the arbitrary nature of the boundary countback is ridiculous but that given England reamed us in pool play and finished above us it's hard to argue they are undeserving. Personally I'd have had another Super Over, but even that is a less than satisfactory way to win/lose

3 from 2 with your best batsman facing and he didn't deliver the win or 4 from 2 with a tailender yet to face a ball on strike. Now he could have scrambled a single and Stokes would have then had to go for the boundary - so yes it could have been different but imagine if they had applied the law correctly and Boult had yorked Rashid and Wood.

@akan004 But during the group state he was good and was limited in his capacity for big scores by the Rohit/Rahul/ Shikar partnerships.

Kind of funny with all this Kane love that the panel on the TMS podcast managed to leave him out of their team of the tournament after the group stage. They came up with something like

Rohit
Roy (not sure on this one)
Shakab
Kohli
Root
Stokes
Carey
Archer
Starc
Bumrah
+1 (may have been Ferguson)

@Rapido said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

I would’ve loved a bowl off as a second over decider. Pick 6 bowlers to step up to the mark and see how many hit the stumps.

Problem with this is it will often end up and 1-1 or 0-0 etc.
But it is pretty cool.

Then just keep going as sudden death. Theatre! But not stumps though, just a single stump.

Back to the cricket and a great innings by Stokes - similar role to Dhoni with Buttler playing the Jadeja role but he did it much, much better than Dhoni. And had no problem with the actions of the English players at all, you could tell Stokes was embarrassed by the extra 4 runs being awarded.

@Chris-B said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@junior said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Chris-B sadly history will just remember the name engraved on the trophy

We will be failing in our duties as fans if that is the case.

For some reason I can't recall the actual scoreline of the 1981 Benson and Hedges World Series Cup. Did Australia win 3-1?

However, as I dandle my great-grandchildren on my knee, I will surely tell them how the heinous traitor Ben Stokes purposefully swiped an outfield throw to the boundary to rob St. Kane of his rightful victory!

I may feel differently tomorrow, but right now I'm not in the slightest gutted that we're not getting our name engraved on a little Cup. It's the stuff of legends!

It's a "moral victory" double banger if Stokes deflected the ball and the umpires stuffed up to award an extra run. Move aside Suzie .....

@dogmeat said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Donsteppa yes the triumphalism by some of the English press is hard to stomach.

It's a shit way to decide a match. I'm sure I'd feel the same way if the situation was reversed. The rule will quietly be changed before the next CWC. Should have had another Super Over. Plenty of soccer finals decided on penalties but if it's all square after 5 they keep going. They don't award it to the team with the most headers!!!

Not made any easier by an article on cricinfo suggesting overthrow 6 should only have been 5 as the second run shouldn't count because batsmen hadn't crossed when the ball left the fielders hand.

Feel for the Caps. Immense effort. Playing away. Never gave up. Were the marginally better team on the day with everything stacked against them It must hurt so bad..

Moral victory right there.

It feels very weird - still pondering that deflection off Stokes' bat and the fact that it took it from 7 off 2 balls to 3 off 2 balls. Cannot remember every seeing that over many years of watching cricket and the fact that it happened at that stage of a World Cup final is just bizarre.

And Trent - don't step back bro