Soooo ... as per the title ... where are they all!

Knock on advantage?

@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@MajorRage trivial transgression includes a Netflix executive saying niggar, a man teaching his dog treats, a $2million dollar a year news anchor asking why blackface is an insult and a weatherman saying coon instead of king.

I don't agree that this bears any relevance to the situation. I see where you are coming from, but to me, that's like basing a punishment for a kid shoplifting a bag of sweets to how you treat a serial killer.

As for the rest of your speculation about the girl's future - absolute rubbish.

It's my view on what her paths are in this country, it's not what I want to happen. Please don't confuse the two. I don't want her allowed back in, partially because I don't view any positive future for her, but mostly because I don't believe she has actually changed her views at all, and is likely more dangerous now than when she left, as I'm sure she learned some "skills" in her time abroad.

That's all the options for her is it? In a world with a 48 hr news cycle you see nothing in her future except EVERYBODY recognising her for ever or she commits mass murder.

No, I wrote majority - not everybody. This is super diverse, kind of fucked up Britain. Everybody has supporters / sympathisers regardless of their views. But the daily spreads today just about all have her picture, and real coverage. There is pretty much so no chance she can enter the country without huge controversy and noise.

You haven't really thought this through except through your own outrage view of the world.

As I said above, I disagree with this (I might have been a bit more direct). I cannot fathom why this woman deserves a single cent of public money over other, stronger causes which will help the country.

To reiterate, because this important. This has little to do with her decision as a 15 year old and everything to do with her comments on the interview. She has zero regret / remorse for any of her actions, actions which directly caused the passing of her two children. If ISIS was winning the battle there, do you think she'd be where she is? I sure as hell don't.

@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Rembrandt but why go through some more virtual signalling from her. It doesn't work, except for those who already believe.

Who gives a fuck what she believes? She's no role model for anyone.

She leaves the country to fight for ISIS, then is allowed back in? That is a massive role model I'm afraid, for all the wrong sort of people.

But

Her story is a chance to educate.

So many of our universal learnings are through the public pitfalls of others. Archetypal stories.

Use her story to spread an outcome message.

She needs to be onboard for this. There is literally nothing in her of comments which suggest this could be her. Nothing. I do not believe the funding it would cost to try and deradicalize will be a cent with any return.

Are we battling extreme Islam or silly little girls from dysfunctional families?

Obviously the former. Her movements in the past and her comments in the now, for me, put her a long long way from being a silly little girl.

@Siam ok - I’ll respond in deeper later. It’s a good, healthy discussion/debate.

@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@MajorRage trivial transgression includes a Netflix executive saying niggar, a man teaching his dog treats, a $2million dollar a year news anchor asking why blackface is an insult and a weatherman saying coon instead of king.

As for the rest of your speculation about the girl's future - absolute rubbish.

That's all the options for her is it? In a world with a 48 hr news cycle you see nothing in her future except EVERYBODY recognising her for ever or she commits mass murder.

You haven't really thought this through except through your own outrage view of the world.

Horseshit.

Compare what I write to you, to see who has the outrage of the world and the UK.

Talk about lack of self awareness.

@jegga said in Favourite Comedians:

@Machpants said in Favourite Comedians:

Michael MacIntyre, watching him live is the only time I have actually cried with laughter

Getting the kids in the car is a great bit .

The dentist bit is absolutely classic as well.

@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

Everybody on here has changed opinions over their lives, mostly through better education. It's a natural progression in life. Our society depends on it.

On the one hand we're disgusted by a death sentence for apostasy, on the other we want to condemn someone that wishes to leave this ghastly extreme aspect of that religion. That gives someone no options

The cornerstone of a truly vile ideology popular at the moment, is one of permanent punishment, where an apology for a trivial "transgression " will not let you keep your job. We can't subscribe to that nonsense.

As emotive as it is, there must be a path to redemption.

We did for Majid Nawaz and that's been highly beneficial for society

You and I have a very very different version of what constitutes a trivial transgression.

@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

Further, fellas judging a 15 year old for her life decisions seems absurd to me.

Agree - I think most do.

She's absolutely fucked either way. She can't come back here - her name is public, images of her are everywhere, she will never ever ever be anything else to the majority people here other than an ISIS fighter, a killer, a psychopathic nutjob who hates this country, and just wants to freeload on it's services paid for by tax paying citizens. Her life can only go on of two paths.

1. That of Majid Nawaz. And absolutely nothing she has said has indicated she has any intention of that - she still believes the severed head she saw was a good thing because she thinks "what he would have done to a Muslim woman". Did she know him? Did she understand what HE was fighting for? No - she's not changed her fucked up views one iota. There is zero chance of her going down this path by herself, absolute zero. So should the state try and fund that? On top of her baby? On top of her social welfare because nobody will give her a job? On top of monitoring her?

2. Be a complete outcast, hated by most who blows herself up on a bus/train taking many innocent lives with her.

I don't blame her family for wishing her back , I also don't blame her for trying. Isn't everybody just trying to do whats best for themselves, and what they want to be remembered for.

But if this country can take a hardline on banning activists, then at the very least, it should be able to apply that same hardline to ISIS fighters, sympathisers people like this.

@Crucial said in Favourite Comedians:

He’s the male equivalent of that fat saffa dyke. Thinks he’s much funnier than he is.
His only saving grace is that he hasn’t sullied himself on Seven Days

If this fat saffa dyke is vegan ... I think I’ve found my soul mate

@barbarian said in Where are they now? (Past Ferners):

Lee Grant is a legend. Had some health problems lately I believe, so he's stepped back from the online world. It's a shame - there weren't too many around that had the depth of knowledge he did. Could tell a story about Colin Meads in one sentence, and then some gun 15-year old running around for Riverview in the next.

Yep that’s what I remember. Passion for rugby like no other.

@Catogrande said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@RLx31 @MajorRage

She will get back here, virtually certain. God knows how many human rights laws and precedents will he cited. Likely outcome is the her kid will be nurtured by our welfare state and taught by it’s rabid mother to hate the system that has allowed it to live and flourish. It’s a shit show but it’s highly likely. Does it signify the end of civilisation in the UK? No, that would be the continued publication of the Daily Mail.

Yep, suspect your right. The point she was 15 is s fair one. However she’s 19 now And says she has no regrets.