@jc said in British Politics:
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Hyperbolic sarcasm. Good debating tactic.

You know nobody is suggesting that. What people are getting at is if we want to stop things going downhill, now would be a good time to start doing something about it rather than waiting for it to be a fait accompli and trying to retrieve it.

You're not the only one on the Fern with connections to the UK. I've been living full or part time in London since 1989 and there is no question in my mind that the quality of life has fallen away. Some of that is down to external factors but other parts are, frankly, self immolation.

My own main concern is that there has always been an authoritarian element in British politics that likes to control what people can do and say. Historically its been a conservative (in the worst way) force but now it's being used to push ideology. MPs who have no fear of being voted out are able to push it hard, and they are.

It's cool JC, honestly, it is. You are welcome to your views and I'm welcome to mine.

The difference is that you won't take the criticism I do for mine, that you do for yours. Because you suit the rhetoric that many on here want to believe. It's the same rhetoric that has never budget one iota since I removed here. And yet, it's the same rhetoric that I've not witnessed once, from anybody living here.

It's just not worth debating anymore. It's just a waste of everybodies time.

Hyperbolic sarcasm is not a debating tactic, and surely you must have been aware, that I''d actually given up the debate by that point. The "other side" has no interest in my side, me who lives here, because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Maybe you guys will all be right - who knows? But I'm not debating anymore - it's pointless.

Actually in hindsight, I'm just deleting the riposte and moving on.

The UK has issues, is a shithole with crap weather and is causing world war3. Horrible place to live, and the fact that I've chosen to live here with my family, shows me to be a completely deluded idiot, putting my family's future and life at risk.

TSF is right, I'm wrong.

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

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@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?

How is this different to the rest of the planet?

What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.

Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.

You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?

The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.

Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.

And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.

It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.

You've obviously missed the point so I'm not even going to bother. North Korea ffs.

No, I disagreed with your point. Very different.

No you can't even properly address my point and instead go massively off topic about
Brexit and then make a ridiculous references to North Korea.

Brexit contradicts your point. You can’t seem to handle that.

NK .. just a little reference, Happy to remove it if that’s what it takes for to debate

Wtf? No it doesn't. What an absurd thing to claim.

Don't bother. I'm done. Keep your blinkers on if you want. What you can't see on the train commute can't affect you.

Pathetic. Expected better.

Actually, no that’s not true.

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?

How is this different to the rest of the planet?

What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.

Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.

You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?

The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.

Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.

And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.

It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.

You've obviously missed the point so I'm not even going to bother. North Korea ffs.

No, I disagreed with your point. Very different.

No you can't even properly address my point and instead go massively off topic about
Brexit and then make a ridiculous references to North Korea.

Brexit contradicts your point. You can’t seem to handle that.

NK .. just a little reference, Happy to remove it if that’s what it takes for to debate

@rembrandt said in British Politics:

Most my UK friends are totally oblivious to these goings on. When I do talk to them about it they start off pretty incredulous and to be honest I still don't think they grasp the gravity of it. I fully get where they are coming from, if all your media sources slant everything in one perspective how can you possibly see another? How could there possibly be industrialised child gang rape going on in multiple towns and cities over some 20+ years with authorities, media and politicians knowingly turning a blind eye? Seems like an absolute crazy conspiracy theory, it's just too horrible to be true so lets just say it isn't and paint anyone who dares tell the truth as being the most horrible thing we can think of as a warning to others.

Then you get this sort of madness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6273199/amp/Somali-man-deportation-stopped-good-plane-passengers-revealed-gang-rapist.html

Yeah the passengers fucked up there - although they were uneducated on the whole thing.

But then again I wouldn’t want to be on a plane with him carrying on like that either

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?

How is this different to the rest of the planet?

What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.

Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.

You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?

The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.

Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.

And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.

It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.

You've obviously missed the point so I'm not even going to bother. North Korea ffs.

No, I disagreed with your point. Very different.

@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?

How is this different to the rest of the planet?

What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.

Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.

You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?

The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.

Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.

And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.

It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.

@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

I think @MajorRage point seems to boil down to "these things are bad but not enough people care yet so it doesnt matter".
Cause when has that ever gone wrong before....

Not even close. The opposite is almost spot on.

What is up with your comprehension??

@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?

How is this different to the rest of the planet?

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@kirwan said in British Politics:

Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.

Yep, he nails it.

Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.

The UK police need a better PR team.

You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.

I think you are being chicken little.

I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.

It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.

What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?

Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.

True brexiteers would agree with you though.

Very poor example. Almost nothing gets put to a referendum. When is the true population going to put a stop to this bullshit?

A poor example as it goes against your rhetoric?

Read the daily mail article posted about poppies. The true population is not accepting this bullshit.