The fact that they’ve picked a team that so many on the Fern wanted makes me nervous. As a collective we have a strong proven record of not having a fucking clue what we are talking about.

I missed the game as my wife decided to go into labor - as a Wallabies supporter I guess from her perspective childbirth is less painful than watching them play the ABs so fair enough.

Have caught the highlights - geez we scored some great tries eh? Squire's was a thing of beauty, the angle he ran and the perfectly timed ball from BBBR. Orgasmic. Also loved how Moody lined up a couple of backs on their goalline and just smashed the fuck through them.

Great to see us put Beauden into some space as well, he's a very different player to Carter but fuck we can tear teams apart if we use him like we did last night.

Well, it must have been an incredibly tough week for the players. All things considered that's a really good effort, never looked like losing. Proud of that effort.

This is the most nervous/excited I've been for a game in around 6 days.

@Kirwan @Duluth

You were asking for feedback from anyone that thinks this is a bad idea. I think it's a great idea, but, the only thing I'd say is that given people are paying I hope you don't feel more responsibility/pressure to keep delivering new features etc. Obviously the improvements you've been making are awesome, but also appreciate that you both have lives so I wouldn't want this to encroach on your personal lives too much.

I think I speak for everyone when I say we are pitching in to keep the site running, and away from the prying eyes of our overlords Google, so we don't expect you to suddenly increase your workload now that members are putting in a couple of dollars.

Really appreciate the effort you guys have put in to give us all a place to rant about our favourite sports (as well as other things).

@barbarian if you think we can just move on from the mis-spelling joke then you are grossly underestimating the number of cringe-worthy Dads that post here.

@MiketheSnow Fall could have avoided the collision by checking his run. The current laws have actually outlawed "only having eyes on the ball". They've mandated that players must be more aware when chasing high balls. And that's what he was doing - chasing, whereas Beauden was fielding the kick. The duty of care is on the chaser.

They did that to stop players clattering into their opposition while staring at the sky and then claiming innocence.

I don't for a second believe Fall intentionally tried to injure Beauden. But as it stands Beauden landed on his head and was concussed.

And you can bet your ass next time Fall is chasing a high ball like that he will check his run and avoid the collision, which is exactly the behaviour WR is trying to encourage with this.

Well shit, that all went extremely pear shaped.

England did to us what we did to Ireland last week, only when we get that dominance up front we score a lot more points. They came out firing and put us on the back foot from the get go then never let up. Massive credit there, that was a huge performance. Have they played their final though?

For us, after the initial onslaught we did somewhat get ourselves back into the game, but just pushed too many 50/50 plays and kept coughing it up at crucial times.

Cane was huge for us last week to nullify the Irish pack in the first 40. He's always been someone that thrives in the tight exchanges early on, so benching him was a pretty baffling deicison TBH. SB was OK but Cane provides a point of difference.

I love me some Jordie but he was only meant to be a squaddie. BFA on the bench would have been smart, especially given how early it is in Mo'unga's career. I would have subbed Richie early in the 2nd 40 and put Beauden back to 10. Experience matters in knock out matches and we needed calm heads after going behind early.

I was also surprised we didn't try and play Rieko into some form given how much of a game breaker he is.

But all of that is really just details when the forwards get smacked around like that. The English pack was amazing and Itoje showed just how good he is on the biggest possible stage.

It's been 12 years since we got knocked out of a RWC. I wasn't super confident we could get up a 3rd time, though the Irish game did give me some hope, but at the end of the day England were too good on the night. If you think back to 2015 we struggled to get up for the semi final against an SA team that had just lost to Japan. This time around we hit a far superior side.

So all in all I blame Ireland for losing to Japan and putting us on the wrong side of the bloody draw.

People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.

Rescuers have saved the cows. Locals are now planning a BBQ to celebrate.

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.

Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else

Absolutely, but none of that will help if you've been in close contact with someone that has the virus, which is hard to avoid in supermarkets.

And that's what annoys me - we've shut down our entire economy for this, so by that measure its extremely serious. But when it comes to masks, which are proven to stop the spread from infectious people, we're actively going the other way and telling people not to bother. So is it serious or not? If it is then we wear masks, if it's not then we don't bother.

There are a lot of people with Covid-19 that don't know they have it. Symptoms vary from asymptomatic, to very mild, to moderate right through to severe, so this is the perfect virus to encourage the use of masks when indoors.

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.

@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

and it appears the original narrative of them not working at all was put out to stop people hording them when medical professionals need them the most.

I thought this was always the narrative from the get go, or it was as I understood it.

That was more the suspected (and pretty obvious) narrative but the official statements from the WHO were that they straight up don't help at all. Which was likely a white lie, but pretty shitty nonetheless.

@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

"In terms of more more information around the lockdown length of time, this would be provided in the coming week, Bloomfield said."

That'll be interesting!

Also 100% agree with this, watching people with masks is fucking frustrating, same with gloves - nothing but a placebo that makes things worse.

"McElnay says there is evidence that wearing a mask (when not already sick) can do harm as it increases people touching their face and can give them a false sense of security.
She says good hygiene is still the key measure."

I've not seen a single person, I've not been to a hospital or medical centre, using mask or gloves in a way that doesn;t increase the risk of transmission yet. Admitedly small sample size but Joe Public are undisciplined and untrained. Having a wife who is an Environmenta Health Officer and having personally trained in NBCD, you can see it doesn't work for the public.

I don't wear one when outside as there's no need, but I do wear one when I goto the supermarket as I'm more likely to be in close contact with other people there. Medical professionals wear them for that same reason - they are in close contact in a closed environment. If they don't help to stop the virus why on earth would they all be wearing them?

I don't touch my face at all with it on (in fact way less as it's a reminder not to) and I don't get any false sense of security - both of those reasons for them being bad are nonsense.

The WHO is now conceding that they do help, and it appears the original narrative of them not working at all was put out to stop people hording them when medical professionals need them the most.

@Crucial said in Coronavirus - China:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - China:

Very interesting if that becomes the truth. I have seen articles explaining how it is very unlikely that Covid-19 is manufactured though, on the basis of the analysis of the virus itself. It is way too organic to be designed (or something like that)

They're not claiming it was manufactured, they're saying the labs were doing testing on bat's and someone got infected with Covid-19 as a result. That seems the most likely source IMO, and helps explain why the Chinese government was so secretive about it when it broke out.

@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:

@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:

@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

Dr Campbell explains some good news coming from Imperial College.

Basically the preventions are working. It is likely actual cases are grossly under-reported. Italy is likely to have had well over a million infections, maybe in the millions. They currently show a death rate around 13% but this is likely 1% or lower given the number of actual infected.

Probably why countries like Australia, NZ have such low death numbers is the virus did not actually take hold and spread before measures were put in place. So our number of cases reported are much closer to actual cases. Whereas Europe, the US are probably 10x higher or more.

Highly likely then in the short term our health systems are unlikely to become overburdened. The issue now is how do they open up the economy whilst controlling any left over cases.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Europe-estimates-and-NPI-impact-30-03-2020.pdf

1% of 1 million is still shit loads

10,000. Compared with an average of 22000 flu or flu type illness related deaths per year on average for the last 3 years in Italy

Yeah. But since when have common flu cases overwhelmed the health system,?

Two days ago UK heath boffin stated that flu sometimes causes a temporary overload of capacity.

If that's the case then it's little wonder they're stressing about a new very contagious virus hitting the market.

@chimoaus thanks for posting that mate, I have all those ingredients in the pantry so will have a go at making that.

I posted this in the other thread but will post it here as well - it talks about the limited information from China hampering their ability to understand the seriousness of the virus in the UK.