@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Play the next day? Change venue a couple of days in advance? Extend the group stages by a week to allow for reserve days (before it starts obviously)?
There are plenty of options. They chose to just cancel games instead.

Now we are hearing about some sort of contingency plans despite it being written in the rules that they can’t play on a different day.

Mate I’ve tried to post a reply without being too obnoxious and the best I can come up with is to plead with you to forward your cv to wr . Obviously for a man of your talents rebooking tv slots , organising transport in a hurricane when flights are grounded , accommodation for teams , officials and fans speaking different languages in a foreign country and being able to predict weather patterns four years out is a bloody breeze .
Unless it isn’t and this is actually the best they can come up with and the “ what if the abs were affected? “scenarios don’t really change my mind about that .

I think I failed on the obnoxious part but you probably get my drift .

Equally i think some of you guys would fit right in at WR. The “solution” of giving lots of red cards for poorly executed tackles and the “solution” of just canceling games probably came from the same meeting.

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Play the next day? Change venue a couple of days in advance? Extend the group stages by a week to allow for reserve days (before it starts obviously)?
There are plenty of options. They chose to just cancel games instead.

Play the next day where? Change the venues to where? How in the living fuck do you think it's possible to simply extend the RWC by a week?

They're options in your mind because you've no concept of the logistical difficulties in hosting such a tournament.

I don't want to be a dick about this, but your solutions work because they assume far too much and are oblivious to the realities. The stadia were provisionally booked for those dates when the bid was made and upon receiving the hosting, they were booked for those dates. They aren't all held open for the duration of the RWC.

Every participating nation booked accommodation and got access to training facilities years ago. Hotels are booked. Transport now is becoming congested and booked solid as people make plans to deal with the typhoon. Tomorrow most flights won't happen and the trains won't run. How are you going to get to this "other place"?

The compounding factor in all of this is it might have been possible if it was just one game. But there are too many pieces on the board to move at once.

It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.

Calm down. I simply don’t agree with you that there was no other options in the known universe. That is just bullshit. They cancelled the game 3 days out. That is plenty of time to shift people around a relatively small country on transport systems that are still operating well BEFORE the storm hits.

My point is, if you are happy to give the hosting rights to a country where there is a high probability of this happening, and it was a high probability. This isn’t unforeseen. Then you have to come up with a better plan than “just cancel the game”.
At the start of planning they should have allowed extra days and had alternate locations sorted.
10 fucking years this has been in the planning.
10 years!

If they can’t work out how to overcome these issues in 10 years they should never have been given the hosting rights.

@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

An interesting point, na throw away line in the Torygraph, was that 'preparations to move the England France game were well underway' when it was realised it was going to have to be two, possibly three, games moved. That was impossible. So to make it consistent they canned them both, and have no contingency for the third. So I guess the much vaunted contingency plans talked about pre cup, if this article is correct, only really covered one game getting into trouble.

Which makes sense because I challenge anyone to develop a scenario to fix this weekend's problems.

Play the next day? Change venue a couple of days in advance? Extend the group stages by a week to allow for reserve days (before it starts obviously)?
There are plenty of options. They chose to just cancel games instead.

Now we are hearing about some sort of contingency plans despite it being written in the rules that they can’t play on a different day.

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Don’t think the memories are short, just questioning your theory/predictions.

Ok, one last time.

• Boks beating us in the first game. Not unthinkable. We drew this year, they also beat us last year.

• Boks then losing to Italy. Also not unthinkable but less likely. Boks lost to Japan at the last RWC, they then ran us to within a penalty in the Semi. They also lost to Italy in 2016.

• ABs vs Italy being canned for weather. Instead of being any easy BP win for ABs. Look at the stats i posted. The less likely outcome would be if the ABs missed out on a BP given their record over last 20 years.

Im not making these points to give sympathy to italy.
Im saying there would be MUCH more outrage if we were put in the position Scotland could find themselves in. It is hypocritical to say meh just because someone else is getting fucked THIS TIME.

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

Ah. For a minute there I thought you meant people who’s opinions were actually worth something.

Maybe predicting wasn’t the right word for them. “Hoping like hell” would probably be more appropriate.

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

Who was predicting it?

The whole Northern hemisphere rugby media for one. Our last game against them was a draw.
Some very short memories on this thread.

@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui likewise the ABs were tipped by many to win that as well. Dry powder and all that. Two new wingers and a more settled back row.

And? That doesn’t mean that the Boks had no chance of beating us. The results between us over the last few years have been bloody close.

@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui newsflash...we beat SA and they thumped Italy.

So no need to worry about your fantasy world where we lost to SA then they turn around and lose to Italy.

In the real world, yes Italy was a 5 points guaranteed (Parisse says I am disrespecting Italy) but I was talking about your fantasy world where Italy were on fire after beating a Bok side that rolled us.

I get that. But i hate it when people have a whinge about something only when it screws them over but are ok with it if it is someone else. This situation should never have happened in the first place.

And again back in hypothetical land. I would never put it past the Boks to play well against us then be utter shit the next week against someone else. They do that every year in TRC.

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.

Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.

That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.

Realms

Also if we were that shit I’d be stoked that our rwc ended early .

“That shit” as in we lost a pool game to the Boks? Doesn’t take much of a slide to have that happen. Plenty were predicting it.

@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@taniwharugby As would we be, which was the point. I think. Maybe...

Umm yeah i think that was the point. Can’t remember now. Too busy arguing about hypothetical situations.