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RE: 2019 under 20's
I'm not really suggesting that the Oceania comp is sufficient preparation, but it's almost good enough. The better value IMO is getting everyone, not just an annointed 28 at U20 level, better prepared at domestic U19 level.
Because our young forwards are always shit.
At the moment we accept that this is low hanging fruit that can be caught up as the players move through the 20 to 22 aged bracket.
But, it may be time to re-assess. Starting to see some All Black packs get dominated o occasions the last 2 or 3 years.
Agree that our U19 youngsters, particularly forwards, aren't that good. I wonder whether that has to do with schools' preference for the big, fast-maturing (physically) boys, instead of the more skilled ones that bulk up later?
Also good to note that in the NH, there is an U18 Six Nations tournament. This year, it was played for the second time.
I also mentioned in an earlier post about Australia that their Australian and U18 Schools team toured the NH, late 2018.
The South African Schools team plays countries like England, Wales, France and Italy.
So even at those younger levels, they already play more test matches.
RE: 2019 under 20's
@KiwiMurph They're doing fine, yes. But maybe they would have been much better with a few better matches during their preparation? Who knows? I just see a difference in preparation between NH and SH nations. We can't change the fact that a lot of those NH players are already playing professionally (and only a few of ours), but we can change the difference in preparation.
RE: 2019 under 20's
Will be interesting what comes out of this, if we want to compete we need to probably play more games like Sth A who do tours to NH. Can’t see us centralising system.
This year is the first time South Africa have had an extended U20 program though. They, along with Argentina, are the most geographically isolated major rugby nation so usually turn up under-cooked. This year they hosted a quad tournament with Argentina and Georgia U20s plus some sort of Namibian senior team, and then went to UK pre-tournament and played some friendlies.
I don't now how SAF have gone, from what I have read out of SAF they're not a particularly promising crop of U20s this year that they are particularly hopeful for anyway.
Anyway. I am advocating absolutely no changes to the NZ U20 fixtures structure. 3 games in an Oceania tournament is plenty of prep.
This tournament happens every year. It's not a once every 2 years or every 4 years thing The U20s play 3 Oceania games and 5 world champs games every year (until Philpott gets us relegated to the World Trophy which is only 4 games each ....)
8 U20 tests per year is plenty. In fact it's heaps. The 6N teams playing 10 U20s per year is just overkill. Better that our players also get some time to rub shoulders with those grizzly 22 year old veterans running around in club rugby (while there's still some 22 year old rugby players actually left in this country).
I disagree with the Oceania Championship being a sufficient preparation. The only good team we're playing in that tournament is Australia. The other opponents, who seem to be different every year, are just not strong enough. Those 2 games are more opposed training runs than test matches. So bascially, NZU20s play one serious test match in preparation of the JWC.
S Africa played Georgia and Argentina (serious opposition; the Namibia XV game was opposed training game), and England and Wales. The travelling adds an extra dimension. Four test matches against good opposition.
South Africa has done well again this year. They'll be playing for bronze again.
Similarly, Argentina has also benefitted from their SA tour (IIRC they also played games against South American opponents, but not sure). Argentina is South Africa's opponent in the bronze final. Last year, they finished 6th (although, obviously home advantage may have helped a bit, too).
I'd be happy if they would turn the Oceania Championship into an extended U20 Rugby Championship tournament, with NZ playing Australia, S Africa, Argentina and Fiji (and/or whichever other team from the South Pacific that has qualified for the WR U20 Championship and/or Trophy). At a different venue every year, alternating between S Africa, Argentina, Australia and New Zealand.