@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@muddyriver Define vulnerable. Given there are still cases where young people without co-morbidities die. What mortality rate is acceptable?

I suspect playing God with decisions like these is a lot more difficult for politicians than making them from the comfort of a keyboard (not having a go at you BTW).

Evidence to date is that any solution that relies on everyone doing the right thing for the common good is doomed to fail.

Out walking last night almost everyone had slipped straight back into social distancing but with more masks worn but to counter that you have the selfish pricks who fled Auckland ahead of the lockdown because of; ya know the inconvenience of it all.

I hear this.

When you are deciding an acceptable mortality rate, please include a close family member(Wife/Husband or kid) as a death as one of these and still see if that mortality rate is acceptable.

So why not reduce the speed limit to 40 MPH. After all this would save lives. Or ban rugby as this will protect people from injury some serious that will affect a person for life. Or close down all unhealthy food outlets. Let the nanny state go wild. The other option is education or advise and accepting variations in life where our rights and freedoms are maintained. We are all different and especially the young don't want to be treated like children who can't enjoy life.

My view is giving up our right and freedoms to MAYBE buy a little safety is a recipe for disaster. It just won't end. Already the economy has been ruined. And lives with it. I'm older now. Its up to me to protect myself. Not ruin healthy law abiding citizens lives to maybe protect me. I can stay inside and wear a mask and self isolate if I wish

@SammyC said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:

Bunch of idiots, can't see anything but a continuation of the downward slide we are currently on.

Brad Mooar (if confirmed) is not a huge surprise. I've heard that Razor and him don't really get along.

Razor is a long way from ready for this job. Key for him is to leave the safe CRUSADERS / Canterbury environment and to get some overseas experience. And mature a bit

There are solutions. Like

NZers to vote for a party that respects our right and freedoms (hopefully there is one) in the coming election. For example the right of a healthy law abiding citizen to go about their business without a Govt using any excuse to remove them. But if we collectively applaud as they are all removed. The future will get worse.

Good to know that Ghislaine will be well protected.

https://babylonbee.com/news/federal-prison-hires-top-rated-italian-bodyguard-hillena-clintonelli-to-protect-ghislaine-maxwell

@LagerLout

. I'm not sure we would have beaten Ireland with a full strength team either.

Just starting with two locks and the in form HB would have been enough. And why didn't ALB start or at least make the reserves. NZ have the talent but dumb selections cost us this game. Such a shame.

@Kruse said in Coronavirus - Overall:

@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:

This article today summed up my general feelings about the 'open society while protecting the vulnerable' option:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/let-the-virus-run-but-protect-the-vulnerable-easier-said-than-done-20200820-p55nk5.html

I was thinking about that recently. The whole "let's do Sweden, but protect the elderly/vulnerable" theory... what does that look like? Turn rest-homes into quarantine zones? Force or strongly recommend that all elderly move into rest-homes? And then, as the article focuses on - what to do with the workers in these rest-homes... make their jobs as a mandatory "live-in" role?
It just doesn't work.

Why force the elderly to move into rest homes. They can stay at home and have food etc delivered if needed. As friends (who are not old) whose immune system are shot (one has cancer) have done in the UK. And not all older people are weak and sickly. Some still have a robust immune system and are in good health.

We will never achieve a 100% safe world and its folly to try. There needs to be a sensible risk cost assessment.

Tucker naming names

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

What a complete shambles this has become.

It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.

I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though

Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.

@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

continue to eat what the fuck they like, more often than not to excess
drink alcohol
smoke
take non-prescription drugs
do little to no exercise
are overweight

Its an issue with our 'health' system. I ate crap in my 20s and ending up in my late 20s in not the best health. Not bad but heading that way unless I changed direction

Went to the doctor who just gave me drugs. Not advise on eating better etc. I sorted myself out in my late 30's. But my doctor was happy just to hand out pills and sprays etc (that was great for temporary relief but it was ongoing). I see doctors now as mostly just drug pushers. Very little advise about a more healthy lifestyle so pill popping becomes unnecessary. Those that have enough money can go a alternative path but many (even those with money) become locked into pill popping .

@Frank said in US Politics:

This is the kind of strategy I think Republicans and Trump will follow.
Link Democrats to this kind of behavior.
This is an ad from the Senate Majority Leader

Good video. The crazy (and dangerous) Democrats have gifted the Republicans so much to use though. They will surely highlight the nursing home disgrace. This is scary. Yet 5 democrat governors did it.

Hers a part from Trumps (powerful) speech yesterday

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/07/04/transcript-of-president-trump-speech-during-mount-rushmore-july-4th-celebration/#more-196043

In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished. It’s not going to happen to us. (Applause.)

Make no mistake: this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution. In so doing, they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress.

To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.

@gt12 said in US Politics:

but that's beside the highly personalized and scary nature of the information reported here):

Why is this scary. Its just a fact of life (the democrats throw mud at Trump as a deterrent hoping some will stick. And I'm sure they have lots of data on people too). But it comes down to people not voting for Hillary due to her being poor. And maybe disappointment with Obama's 8 years.

Here's an interesting article on this matter

https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/how-donald-trump-can-be-a-billionaire-and-report-massive-losses-new/

Ive extracted two sections. Unsure what the truth is but unlikely to get it from the NYT

.@alexthechick discovered that the NY Times did not review all tax payments Trump made in 2016 and 2017. “Trump PAID, as in transferred to the US Treasury, $1 million in 2016 and $4.2 million in 2017. The $750 figure is an ADDITIONAL $750. Thus every single story saying he paid $750 is a lie.

Therefore, If you are offended by the NY Times hit job, ask yourself these questions:

Is it logical to blame Trump for hiring good accountants?
Is it logical to blame the IRS? For the most part, they are just following and enforcing the laws created by congress.
Who created our tax system?
Is congress is upset about Trump’s taxes, it’s their fault.
Do you think congress will ever take responsibility for the tax code?

In the end, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

@canefan said in US Politics:

@Catogrande said in US Politics:

@Winger @canefan I agree whole heartedly with the idea of minimising tax if possible but if you can’t see that a guy with Presidential ambitions ought to hold himself to a higher level or at least that there will be a perception he should, then I despair.

I agree with that too. I can't believe that a man with his wealth could pay that little tax lawfully. But who knows

You agree with something different. Catogrande feels that Trump would have been more virtuous and worthy of becoming President if he had paid more income tax than legally required (to me it would disqualify the person as he or she is a fool)

And we are referring to Trumps INCOME tax. Trumps income tax may be low whereas his company may pay a much higher tax rate. There's also his companies employees payroll tax to consider. Also any GST / VAT type tax that Trump pays on his personal purchases etc.

@Frank said in US Politics:

NY Times release a report showing Trump has paid jack shit in federal income tax for ages.

So what (if its true) UNLESS he evaded tax. (Only a fool pays more tax than required). So if its unfair look at those that were in power and set the tax rules up.

@Billsy111 said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:

Black and White jersey.

Or Black and grey

I saw this and assumed initially the video was fake. I still have my doubts as its such an odd thing to say. Even as a joke

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/09/video-emerges-of-joe-biden-calling-u-s-troops-stupid-bastards-during-speech-biden-campaign-responds/

(Ryan Saavedra) A video emerged on Friday of Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden calling soldiers “stupid bastards” and a “dull bunch” during a speech overseas to U.S. soldiers while he was serving as vice president in the Obama administration.

The Biden campaign confirmed to The Daily Beast that the video was real, but claimed that Biden made the comments “jokingly.”

Great finish. Well down HB 20-19

HB half back has a bit to learn still

Good team try for HB 19-15

Poor defense by HB. 19-10 Canterbury