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mark_s

How true is this avoid eating carbs in the arvo or at night thing? 
 
It sounds like a good theory but I am dubious and I have checked a book by Rosmary Stanton (Aus nutrionilst) and she has poo poo'd it as well.Â It seems to me that provided you do the exercise over the course of the day then it doesn't matter when you refuel. 
 
Anyone got any science to back it up?

BartMan

I think it goes into the 'what works for you category'.Â There is probably 'science' backing both views.Â So try it out and see what happens. 
 
I eat mainly rice n tuna for dinner between 7 and 8, and have been lsing weight - along with the hard out exercise of course.Â perhaps I wouldn lose more NOT eating the rice - experiemtn time!!

Miller V Jackson

[quote name='BartMan'] 
I think it goes into the 'what works for you category'.Â [/quote] 
 
Almost everything goes in this category I reckon, at least to some extent. That's why all the hard-out scientific stuff on this forum is poo-pooed by somebody to some extent, probably correctly. Although some basics are almost fundamental (exercise, eat healthy) the particulars (what exercise, what food, and in what sorts of combinations, when and how much) would appear to vary significantly between people as to what works for them. 
 
That isn't a bad thing of course; one of the purposes of this forum is for people to tell others what has worked for them, so we can try those ideas outselves in conjunction with the rest of our programmes, or tweak them to better fit what we think might work for us. 
 
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snapperslayer

Just thought i would paste some reading on the carbs at night debate. - (its off the web - it must be true) 
 
[b]I believe carbs are best eaten in the morning (to replenish depleted liver and muscle glycogen stores after a night of sleep), before workouts (to supply fuel for energy) and after your workout (to refuel muscle and liver glycogen and to spike insulin levels for stimulating muscle growth). [b]For fat loss[/b], we typically recommend [b]avoiding carbs later at night[/b]; if you did a good job of replenishing your muscle and liver glycogen throughout the day, then any [b]excess carbs at [/b] [b]night[/b]--a time when you're least active--[b]will be readily converted to fat.[/b][/b] 
 
I have eaten carbs (lots of carbs) at night during a rugby season without putting on any fat as I was working hard enough to burn it off; but I think someone who has been inactive (sedentary) will benifit from avoiding carbs at night.

TM

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but the mental component is pretty crucial for any goal such as weight-loss. 
 
Something to keep you focussed on your goal when the chips are down, you've had a bad day and those donuts look sublime. 
Everyone knows about Hadlee's key-words of "Lillee - Hate - Rhythm - Off stump" to help keep his focus and 431 wickets later, you'd have to say it was pretty successfulÂ :nta

Miller V Jackson

I found myself jogging this evening with the tune Nearer My God to Thee in my head, which in the circumstances was not inappropriate.

Irish Richard

If I work out at night, then eat no carbs (going to bed hungry), even if I have my usual breakfast - when I try to work out again in the morning I am farked. 
 
So what works for you. 
 
But carbs are just fuel. No point filling the tank and parking the motor in the garage.

schmoo

From what I've heard/been told - carbs don't kick in straight away anyhow.Â They take time to be absorbed then transformed into potential energy.Â As opposed to sucrose/dextrose/maltrose/glucose (all of those me thinks) which are instant return energy - this being the dangerous sort of energy to store if not exercising. 
 
I'm with you IR - I need my carbs (at least some) at night to absorb so the next day I can charge thru my exercise the next day.

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Don't weigh yourself. 
 
Measure yourself. With a tape measure. The one your wife uses for knitting. 
 
If you're exercising, you should be gaining muscle. It weighs more than fat. 3 times more I think.

dogmeat

[quote]Don't weigh yourself. 
 
Measure yourself. With a tape measure. The one your wife uses for knitting. 
[/quote] 
 
Great. Now I'm suicidal. Also a confirmed blob.Â Chest, gut and arse all exactly the same circumference.Â Think I'd have been better off claiming air miles than using a tape measure. Jeezuz I'm a fat fuck.

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[quote name='dogmeat'] 
[quote]Don't weigh yourself. 
 
Measure yourself. With a tape measure. The one your wife uses for knitting. 
[/quote] 
 
Great. Now I'm suicidal. Also a confirmed blob.Â Chest, gut and arse all exactly the same circumference.Â Think I'd have been better off claiming air miles than using a tape measure. Jeezuz I'm a fat fuck. 
[/quote] 
 
If it took a tape measure to show you that, you have serious eyesight problems or a dicky mirror. <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

Coastie

[quote name='Ruddy Funkster'] 
[quote name='dogmeat'] 
[quote]Don't weigh yourself. 
 
Measure yourself. With a tape measure. The one your wife uses for knitting. 
[/quote] 
 
Great. Now I'm suicidal. Also a confirmed blob.Â Chest, gut and arse all exactly the same circumference.Â Think I'd have been better off claiming air miles than using a tape measure. Jeezuz I'm a fat fuck. 
[/quote] 
 
If it took a tape measure to show you that, you have serious eyesight problems or a dicky mirror. <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> 
[/quote] 
 
Yeah but the camera always adds 10lbs doesn't it, so looking at yourself on video (Pornstar) or in photos just makes you look fat and depresses you. The mirror is an optical illusion - the camera never liesÂ :coolsmiley:

mark_s

I have been focusing on my eating and my strategy has been:

only eat when hungry (sounds dumb but I previously used to eat by habit a lot of the time)
only eat until I donâ€™t feel hungry anymore.Â (i.e. donâ€™t just eat a shite load of food without thinking about it)
eat slowly so my body can tell me when its not hungry any more. 
 
Seems to have been working for me

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good points mark and also - if you're going to e.g. buy lunch or something, then get the small version of whatever you're eating. A lot of people were brought up to habitually eat everything on the plate because its a waste of money otherwise <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

mark_s

[quote name='Nick the Aussie'] 
good points mark and also - if you're going to e.g. buy lunch or something, then get the small version of whatever you're eating. A lot of people were brought up to habitually eat everything on the plate because its a waste of money otherwise <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> 
[/quote] 
 
That was definitely me - wasn't allowed to leave the table until the plate was empty

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Which was OK if your grew up on a farm and worked after school till your fucking hands bled <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

dogmeat

Very good tips Mark. I found that I was bolting my food.Â Barely chewing it and demolishing the plate inside 5 mins.Â Then naturally still feel hungry.Â An hour later - bloated. When I remember I'm chewing slowly.Â Also gets stomach ready to receive incoming.

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And have 2 glasses of water with your meal. That fills you up no end.

Miller V Jackson

I agree with all of that, and most of it is in my Great Australian Diet book for chubby little AussiesÂ <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

Chowie

Keep a food diary. You'll always think twice about that pie if you have to write it down and see it later. 
Forget about weights until you've lost the weight, the ONLY thing that loses fat is AEROBIC training. 
Finally, if you know you can't make it on your own, bite the bulletÂ and join weight watchers, or jenny craig or what ever organisation suits you. 
The money you spend on the weekly meetings (about $15) will be saved at the cafeteria, believe me. 
There's nothing like getting weighed in every week with a queue of people behind you to motivate you to NOT eat that mars bar. 
It's not just for chicks either, so don't think you'll be treated as an oddity when you turn up there, there's heaps of guys at my WW centre in Welly (on Lambton Quay). 
I've lost 11.5kg now, so it actually works, and I feel great for it.

The Silver Fern

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