@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:

@Kirwan said in The Folau Factor:

If it was less than his contract he would have gone to court, he's not shown any indication of backing down before this. And with all the cash to fund it, why would he take less?

Of the two parties in this dispute, you could argue Israel is the more erratic. I admit I was surprised when the settlement was announced, as I was under the impression from his words that this wasn't about money at all, it was about religious freedom.

He wanted his day in court, and so did his backers. After all it wasn't just about him and his cash, it was about everyday religious people across the country and indeed the globe.

However, there's a chance that he just wanted to get on with his life. I've heard from people close to this saga that he genuinely wants to play for the Wallabies again, and until recently thought that there was a strong chance he could do that.

Clearly the court case affected his playing prospects, and maybe he just wanted it over with so he can get back on the field. So RA offers to pay out his contract and apologise, he can claim a victory of sorts and get on with his life.

Of course the flipside is that he was intent on fighting the fight until RA caved and offered him $6-8m. But given his initial claim was $14m, it was still a downgrade from what he wanted.

We will never really know how much it was, so all we can do is speculate.

Sorry why is he considered the eratic one?
ARU took a rash and ultimately stupid decision to virtue signal. And nobody could ave predicted that sort of stupidity

@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:

I can't see how anyone really 'wins' here. RA loses their best player and endures a protracted, public legal stoush with a bill of unknown nature at the end (though the $8m figure is ridiculous).

Folau loses his career, and in some part his position in Wallaby folklore.

As much as his backers may cry victory, they don't get what they actually wanted - a circus in the High Court, where religious freedom in the workplace can be tested in the public spotlight. They wanted the photo of their cohort on the steps of the court, fists raised, fighting for their beliefs against their woke oppressors.

But now it all fizzles out, and they don't get the legal test case they were desperate for.

The only people with any small glimmer of good news are rugby fans, who get to move on from this mess and forget it all ever happened.

I think the person who wins is the person who got millions of dollars.. and the losers are the ones who gave away millions of dollars. Spin be damned.

Castle has got to go, dismal handling of this, and yet another example of get woke go broke.

Ok.... the last few posts sums up the problem with the left in politics. They call Trump extreme, get asked for examples of his policies that are extreme and instead launch into ad hominum attacks and personal experiences.
And extreme isnt the same as wrong. It is just extreme compared to previous norms for that country or party.

If Trumps policies are so extreme it should be dead set easy to list a whole bunch.
I will list some off the top of my head for Democrats
Murder of babies up until birth,
Medicare for all
Open Borders.
Elimination of ICE
The Green new deal
Reparations
Removal of Electoral College
Stacking the Supreme court

Those are ALL extreme positions, so far form the historical centre of the independents and indeed even the democratic base.
So @Crucial what are the extreme policies that Trump has instigated , your immigration example is not even close as his policies are more liberal than previous administration

@Crucial said in US Politics:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

@Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

In the eye of the beholder, of course.

Maybe... So enlighten to which of his policies is extreme?

@Crucial Except there is nothing extreme about Trumps presidency, his personality is extreme. But his policies are very mainstream.

@Crucial said in US Politics:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

@Crucial said in US Politics:

@Frank said in US Politics:

Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
I's also add women to his list of achilles heels

And latinos and hispanics.....

As for church going whites.. I doubt they are a significant percentage of the democrat primary populace. Generally murdering babies doesnt sit well with church goers of any skin colour. And the Democrats are definately a party supporting abortion.

I think party split is pretty well on par with the overall split for all christian groups part from Evangelicals and Mormons.

EDIT: I found a survey that backs this up although the big proviso is that Republicans 'care' much more about their religious beliefs and get their 'right and wrong' beliefs more strongly from religion.

Which is why I said church going. Pelosi and Mayor Pete (and Trump ) claim I be christians... But I bet they hardly ever go to to church without inviting the media to film their piety.

@Crucial said in US Politics:

@Frank said in US Politics:

Pete Buttigeig's sexual preference parading his husband around might be all good with white liberals but it will NOT play well with church going African Americans in the Southern and swing states. Funnily, Politico won't mention this as the obvious reason for his lack of black support + no name recognition. He knows this is his Achilles-heel.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/buttigieg-black-outreach-2020-074867

Rather odd comment given the huge amount written about how and why this isn't actually the key reason Mayor Pete polls so badly with blacks.Plenty of church going whites that are homophobic and that isn't hurting him as much.
His record regarding blacks while mayor is far more hurtful alongside his massive unintended gaffe saying 'all lives matter' in a 'black lives matter' discussion.
He has basically shot himself in the foot so badly that the best he can hope for is an increased profile followed by a years long concerted effort to turn around his reputation.
I's also add women to his list of achilles heels

And latinos and hispanics.....

As for church going whites.. I doubt they are a significant percentage of the democrat primary populace. Generally murdering babies doesnt sit well with church goers of any skin colour. And the Democrats are definately a party supporting abortion.

WTF... This is just activism

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/117677574/were-recruiting-to-supercharge-stuffs-climate-crisis-coverage

@Crucial No it only matters what the mass of states think. Good thing IMO.