There have been pro trump rallies allowed in London over the weekend. The one aiming to take place outside the US embassy was banned.

@mn5 But, but, it had Dolby stereo. How can it be bad?

@paekakboyz said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@crucial that probably describes a typical fantasy of Urzila's!!

I wouldn’t leave @mariner4life out of that either. He’d be nutsack deep.

@majorrage said in British Politics:

@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:

Nope.

Replace a well-paid, trained, skilled motivated worker with a cheaper, less skilled option and the re-work from errors and carelessness input to the system will not only reduce the overall output by reducing value-add, it will divert management resources and, worst of all, damage your customer base/reputation.

Actually the biggest issue with outsourcing is the ability to deal with issues which aren’t in the manual. Ie customer wants x, book doesn’t explain x ...

There is also an underlying element that people are more content to be told shit news about their contract from a guy in Doncaster than a guy in Mumbai

Which is why so many companies who outsourced to India brought it back onshore - it was costing them a fortune

So many? Got examples?

I do worry that the UK may become viewed as cheap Labour ....

Unlikely when we pay all these bloody Kiwi IT geeks so much...

@paekakboyz said in Building myself back up:

@rancid-schnitzel jaysus, what an awful human being. Good luck dodging that fucker in the future!

I second that.

However I'd like to meet the wife.

@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:

@catogrande

Both were In or Out choices. We didn't know what the final deal would be or how it would impact the UK going forward in 1974 any more than we did 2016.

I would agree with the bolded bit but where I differ from your viewpoint is that firstly being out of the EEC was still very much a known quantity, whereas now, that is far from the case. Secondly the EEC as it was then was a much leaner, simpler organisation centred around trade. It was a lot easier to quantify the benefits, even for the non-politically minded. Today we have much more complexity, open borders, monetary union (broadly, though not UK), EU law, subsidies, quotas, an EU parliament - I could go on. And on. We are 40 years away from knowing how things are like outside the EU. Our former strongest trading partners now have new alliances, we have no substantial trading agreements outside the EU.

The ability of anyone to get their head round the complexities of stay or go now as opposed to 1974 is a huge difference.

@victor-meldrew Not quite. We very much knew what we were voting for, just not what it might become 40 years later. In 2016 things were very much more complex.

Not that I think either referendum was a good thing, just that the circumstances were totally different.

@kruse BTW, we’re you suggesting that Boaty McFuckface was a good outcome?

@kruse said in British Politics:

@catogrande said in British Politics:

Being much older and more bitter and cynical I just cannot see why anyone thinks the people should decide on a single topic. A classic example being letting the people decide on the name of a new lifeboat (I think). The result? Boaty McBoatface.

You just disagreed with yourself? Boaty McBoatface is a shining example of "Single Topic Democracy works".
(A Research Ship by the way)
I see the Government ignored the People's Will on that particular topic.

Mate, I disagree with most people these days. However, good news for Blair et al, the word of the people can be ignored.

@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:

@crucial said in British Politics:

Asking such a black and white question then applying the result as winner takes all is so stupid it's criminal.

The same black and white, winner takes all question approach was used in the 1974 referendum to join the EU - multi-generational issues and all.

Perhaps if people had got an opportunity to change the situation as it was after we joined by having referendums on the various treaty changes which impacted people lives (like most other EU countries did), we wouldn't be in this current situation.

Without wishing to be pedantic, the 1974 referendum was whether to stay in or not rather than to join. At that time it all meant far less than it does now. The then EEC was little more than a trading alliance and a twitch in the trousers of a few wannabe Eurocrats. At the time I thought a referendum was a good thing. Let the people decide. But of course then I was young and naive and occasionally voted socialist. Being much older and more bitter and cynical I just cannot see why anyone thinks the people should decide on a single topic. A classic example being letting the people decide on the name of a new lifeboat (I think). The result? Boaty McBoatface.