@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Stormers:

@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Stormers:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Stormers:

Any of you caarnts still don't think Jordie is a 12? Clearly he's far more comfortable there. The dilemma now is what the fug to do about Laumape...

Me.
Great with ball in hand and running lines. Medium length pass way too slow and loopy for distribution needs at international level.
He may be more comfortable there but at the top level I agree with the assessment of the AB coaches. Those skills work better at the back (except when attempting quick throw ins ). Needs to sharpen his passing game to be considered.

Well knock me down with a feather. I'm sure you applied the same standards to SBW when he burst onto the scene. Or probably not. His pass was fine today. Just needs more time at 12. Tiatia is a natural fullback. Jordie isn't.

Go and watch the first half again and watch how many laboured loopy passes he threw. If he got better then fair enough, but he was stand out horrid to start.

I don't think i've seen SBW throw a loopy pass ever.

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Stormers:

Any of you caarnts still don't think Jordie is a 12? Clearly he's far more comfortable there. The dilemma now is what the fug to do about Laumape...

Me.
Great with ball in hand and running lines. Medium length pass way too slow and loopy for distribution needs at international level.
He may be more comfortable there but at the top level I agree with the assessment of the AB coaches. Those skills work better at the back (except when attempting quick throw ins ). Needs to sharpen his passing game to be considered.

@Victor-Meldrew its just seems incongruous to talk about 'ignoring the will of 17.2million' when the nature of the referendum also means 'ignoring the will of 16.4 million'
The big difference is the effect of the outcome and no facility to charge your mind three years later if it turns out wrong.

@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:

@Crucial said in Brexit:

At the moment the 16.4m who voted to remain are being expected to shrug their shoulders an accept leaving.

That's how it works. That's how the HoC - which voted by a huge margin for the referendum - told the people it would work.

If it didn't work that way there'd be no point in holding any vote - not even for your local MP

I understand that’s how it works. Doesn’t change the fact that just under half the country didn’t want any of this. That’s a sizeable chunk of the population if you are talking about people’s wants being ignored.
That’s why I said it was a problem with winner takes all.
The MP situation is different. You get to confirm or deny the result at set periods

@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:

@Catogrande said in Brexit:

UK Revoke Article 50

"Revoke Article 50", "have another referendum" I just can't get my head around the utter stupidity of people who think this would resolve anything.

Don't these MP's think? Do they expect the 17.2m who voted to leave to simply shrug their shoulders and accept staying in the EU or to respect the result of a 2nd referendum if the vote is to remain? Dangerous naivety of a staggering degree.

The dangers of a winner takes all referendum. At the moment the 16.4m who voted to remain are being expected to shrug their shoulders an accept leaving.

@rotated said in Brexit:

@Crucial said in Brexit:

As for 'just get on with it' we come back to the big problem that caused all of this in fighting and inaction - what is 'it'. All very well trotting out 'leave means leave' and 'Brexit means Brexit' but there are obvious complexities that need decisions made that aren't quite that simple.

The "just get on with it" sentiment I think is more about a mindset and approach to negotations/preperations for an exit rather than a specific plan.

It would be very fucking strange if after three years of tumultuous separation/divorce proceedings the party who "I know I decided unequivocally to leave you, but now I'm concerned this alimony thing is going to comprimise the next five years of my financial life so maybe we can make this work?"

A divorce is not a financial windfall.

Get on with it means leave, seperate, go. VM's description of what 'it' is, is spot on IMO. In a decision between May's Deal and No Deal the answer should be obvious - go, get the fuck out and worry about the details later.

….and we come full circle to Northern Ireland.
(the 'details' aren't insignificant or quickly remedied either)

Once again, as we see over and over at the moment, partisan type arguments whereby extreme views are painted as the views of all that take a 'side' in order to ridicule or shout down sensible debate.
Mention no deal hardships or difficulties and the cries of 'scaremonger' ring out and then counter claims of empty shops and blocked roads get said.
It is totally irresponsible for anyone with a public mouthpiece on this topic to dismiss or hide the very real difficulties and hardships people will face with no transition period and a chance to work through the issues.
Goods from Europe WILL likely increase in price as WTO rules state that no preference can be given.
British farmers will have to offload their product domestically as it will be over priced in Europe
A year ago 5,500 UK financial businesses relied on EU passporting rights that generated £9B to the UK. Some of those will have either upped sticks already or set up subsidiaries to do their EU work but the fact remains that a no deal will simply cut that cord altogether.
That's just a couple of facts that aren't scaremongering. Others would be loss of easy movement for business and leisure travel. The French border control have already thrown their toys out the cot over the extra workload and the official advice is not to try and Eurostar back from Paris because you simply wont get through control in time for your train.
Loads and loads of little things that a part of general UK life and taken for granted with regard to Europe. eg no phone roaming charges, no geoblocking, holiday and flight rules regarding cancellations and compensation. Currently about 15% of flights being sold in the UK may have to be cancelled as the landing rights for newly added flights are 'up in the air'
No, the sun will still come up and try and peak through the cloudy skies but instead of sweeping statements on both sides surely the impacts should be being made very clear to people.

@African-Monkey said in Blues v Highlanders:

@Northlandallday It is what it is really. I would have probably picked Robbie Abel but obviously we had no room for him so a missed opportunity there. As I previously mentioned, it's Parsons until someone better comes along.

I guess some of the issue is that there is too much reliance on Parsons in that alternatives are not given enough chance to grow into the role or are used only to give him a break. There never seems to be a plan to look for/create a better option.

But hey, at least you guys have won a game.

Highlanders have shown that they ain't all that this year. They were lucky to get a W against an imploding Chiefs and have now lost to the Blues.

@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:

@MajorRage

She hasn't covered herself in glory to date has she?

That said, we are where we are, and her comments on people being pissed off with MPs and just wanting to get on with things was spot on.

As for Corbyn, who's spent the last year preaching on the need to reach out and get a consensus on a deal, walking out on May's party leaders meeting because a Labour defector was in the room.... Jesus wept.

I'm happy that Corbyn if showing everyone just what kind of pathetic leader he would make. There is still a danger of an election and the more Corbyn looks like a poor option the better. Brexit + backward policies will be even more of a disaster.

As for 'just get on with it' we come back to the big problem that caused all of this in fighting and inaction - what is 'it'. All very well trotting out 'leave means leave' and 'Brexit means Brexit' but there are obvious complexities that need decisions made that aren't quite that simple.

@taniwharugby said in Blues v Highlanders:

@Bones given the ball runners the Blues have, they seem happy to have Parsons cart the ball up and get caught behind the gainline and recycle it quickly, I guess to use Akira as next ball runner wider...although it seems often the cleaners dont get there quick enough and the ball isnt that quick...

Old and slow Nonu seemed to do a lot of the forwards clean out work for them at times.
I don’t get the argument about Parsons though. I used to support that there was a need for an accurate low impact forward among the mess but when you have the ability to use KT, Ofa and Pat T as set up guys that may even bend the line, Parsons seems a waste.

@kev said in Blues v Highlanders:

@Northlandallday Parsons always looks that way. Only one headgear.

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