Hooroo said:

@mikedogz @pukunui

Baz smashes him for 6!!!

Brilliant.

"It is not the steps we conquer but ourselves"

booboo said:

Actually isn't @Stargazer correct and this thread should be titled "OF PLENTY V WAIKATO"?

We’re a Mafia, not a Fair Play charity...

I think we’ve been a bit slack, and have been using the match threads in the General Sport forum instead.

Friday night looked like a lack of experience in the tight five - on paper and on the park, but I guess they’ll learn from it. Does anyone have an injury list/expected return list anywhere?

I was worried about the inexperience in the forward pack before the game, but that was worse than I thought.

A pretty green forward pack, but playing even worse...

Much better, needed to get our hands on the ball for a few minutes and to stop giving away penalties as if the Ref is a one armed bandit.

At least we are thrashing them in the penalty count...

Another Minister gone.

Every time I see the thread title "peak guardian" I reflexively want to run for the hills...

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I would also add that family reunification etc will increase that number considerably. It will be much more in a decade.

The current family reunification annual limit is 300: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/refugee-family-support-resident-visa

That's a good policy. Is there any way of bypassing it? I would be very surprised if an accepted refugee who had a wife and children was barred from bringing them into the country. I'd also be surprised if that figure isn't increased following the latest policy.

The press release talked about a "proportionate" increase to the reunification numbers, presumably to 450 or 600 depending on which refugee number that reunification quota was originally based on.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/statistics/statistics-refugee-family-support-category-pack are the stats. Looks like 235 Family Support Category Residence Visa's were granted in 2017.

That's on refugee visas right. So what happens after they receive permanent residency or citizenship? No cap on the number after that I presume.

For residence, effectively there is a cap (Edit: for wider family). The sibling category closed altogether around 2012ish, and the parent category is on hold: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/parent-resident-visa

There are visitor and temporary options - https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/options/join-family/all-family-visas - but residence is harder unless they are a partner or a dependant child.

I'd be super curious about NZ refugee intake outcomes ie employment and migrant status down the track.

There were some horrific stats outta Sweden with less than 1% of the 168,000 intake gaining legal employment, seems like a powder-keg situation developing there.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/refugees/nzrrs-dashboard.pdf has some of the longer term trends for 2016/17 and previous years. English language proficiency is often the long term challenge for employment.

Outcomes for NZ's refugee intake aren't always a straight comparison with the likes of Sweden. Europe seems to have more 'economic' refugees who have sought out certain places by choice and/or their wherewithal to get there from their source country without UN or other agency help. NZ's intake is chosen first by assessment via UNHCR on 'genuine need' and then more local checks are carried out.

How are refugees selected to come to New Zealand?
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) is the international organisation responsible for protecting refugees and seeking durable solutions for them. UNHCR decides which refugees are in the greatest need of resettlement and asks resettlement countries to consider accepting them. Immigration New Zealand then makes the final decision about who will be included in the quota.

(https://www.redcross.org.nz/what-we-do/in-new-zealand/refugee-programmes/who-are-refugees/)