I know Ben Stokes has promised to apologise for the rest of his life for those deflected overthrows, but it will still be a very frosty morning in hell before I’d back a New Zealander of the Year award for him...

@Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.

But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!

There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.

I'd knight Sir BMac for finally giving closure to that 299 itch...

@jegga said in The American Civil War:

@JC said in The American Civil War:

@jegga Stephen Ambrose is the daddy.

Except his book about Lewis and Clark , it’s so bad you’d think someone else wrote it.

Funnily enough, he was accused of plagiarism a few times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism

In 2002, Ambrose was accused of plagiarizing several passages in his book The Wild Blue.[54][55] Fred Barnes reported in The Weekly Standard that Ambrose had taken passages from Wings of Morning: The Story of the Last American Bomber Shot Down over Germany in World War II, by Thomas Childers, a history professor at the University of Pennsylvania.[56] Ambrose had footnoted sources, but had not enclosed in quotation marks numerous passages from Childers's book.[55][57]

Ambrose asserted that only a few sentences in all his numerous books were the work of other authors. He offered this defense: I tell stories. I don't discuss my documents. I discuss the story. It almost gets to the point where, how much is the reader going to take? I am not writing a Ph.D. dissertation. I wish I had put the quotation marks in, but I didn't. I am not out there stealing other people's writings. If I am writing up a passage and it is a story I want to tell and this story fits and a part of it is from other people's writing, I just type it up that way and put it in a footnote. I just want to know where the hell it came from.[55]

A Forbes investigation of his work found cases of plagiarism involving passages in at least six books, with a similar pattern going all the way back to his doctoral dissertation.[58] The History News Network lists seven of Ambrose's more than 40 works—The Wild Blue, Undaunted Courage, Nothing Like It In the World, Nixon: Ruin and Recovery, Citizen Soldiers, The Supreme Commander, and Crazy Horse and Custer—contained content from twelve authors without appropriate attribution from Ambrose.[57]

Great story teller, but perhaps a bit careless with his referencing at times...

@Tim said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

Brad Weber, Josh Ioane, Braydon Ennor

Yikes.

It doesn't yet scream "game changing collective impact" at this early stage of their international careers, but fingers crossed

A run, a run! My kingdom for one run!!

The five stages of loss are progressing glacially...

Neil may be getting correspondence along similar lines:

So it was more than me just feeling sulky about it all...

@Sneakdefreak said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@SynicBast said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Catogrande said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@No-Quarter said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Catogrande said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

@Frank said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

Can we talk about rugby please?

Not just yet.

Cheating pommy bastard, you're banned from commenting on cricket for at least 6 months.

Fair enough, that will still leave me three and a half years of gloating before we inevitably get dumped out in the first round next time.

Who would want to gloat after a result like that? I certainly wouldn't had NZ been awarded the Cup.

I'd actually feel slightly sick about the result if we'd been the ones awarded the Cup. Thankfully there are some good memories I cxan bask in - like knocking out India in the SF - that is something i will saviour for fucking years

We all know Kane would have declared the match a tie and share the spoils with the English team because he's apparently the reincarnation of Mother Theresa in cricket pads.

We hold these truths to be self-evident.

One further surprise in the final, the annual Wimbledon final out TV-rated the first England World Cup Final appearance since 1992. A consequence of "live international cricket returned to free-to-air television for the first time in 14 years" perhaps...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/15/4-million-britons-watch-cricket-world-cup-final-on-free-to-air

@Chris-B said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

p.s. rugby needs to sort something better out than the drop-kick-off, which was what supposedly happens last time I looked. Far rather share the title than indulge in "fucking foolishness".

Johnny Wilkinson deserves a knighthood - not so much for winning the final in 2003, but saving rugby from that drop-kick off about 30 seconds later...