YES!!!!! @NTA World famous in New Zealand!!!!! Excellent. Having that article published here in NZ is as good as having a passport. Welcome ashore...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/119143490/first-person-in-the-world-to-have-a-tesla-powerwall-battery-pays-less-than-50-cents-a-day-for-power

The Fern has a medalist in the World Masters Games!!!

Willie The Waiter just won Bronze Medal in the individual pursuit!!!

Congrats bro!!!!

@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool :

perhaps, if you are in danger of going fucking blind from playing rugby, you should give it away?

or just wear some goggles.

Oops! It's a loop

@Tim said in Political Memes (memes only):

@booboo Just a funny picture of Chelsea Clinton.

We need an @Tim Meme only thread.

It will have to come with instructions 😁

@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:

The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.

and so he should be.

Just watching Star Wars again

19 fucking 77

George Lucas. That's just fucked how you nailed that bitch.

There are fuck all movies that don't date but this fucker doesn't.

Boozed by the way

If we win this, all off-season I will be saying "we could have won the damn thing if Jacobsen wasn't injured..."

Remember all those years ago when we joked around about Foster becoming coach.

Oh how we laughed....

Some one must have hacked his account as BSG would always scoff and laugh at those who did grand exits. Must be someone else.

@KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

These huas read the fern!

three times in the past week, about a couple of hours after a conversation on these threads, suddenly an article would appear.

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo what's the point of planning and budgeting on something that has a slim chance of going to plan? You'd then have everyone bitching and moaning about how they had spent money, arranged functions etc etc and it changed on them.

Giving false hope isn't good leadership either.

I do think that there may be a bit more of a plan soon though hence the modelling being done on vaccination rates etc. There is a need to create a carrot instead of just pointing to the stick.
I wouldn't be making plans on it though. Way too much can happen.

A plan isn't false hope. It's a plan. A plan can have what is deemed as bad outcomes as well as good. That's what planning is.

Has to have a point though. I still don't see what the type of plan we are talking about achieves apart from a waste of time.

There is a roadmap being formulated by the looks of things, based around vaccination rates which is a massive unknown being down to human choice. Anything set out after that is then variable based on something that we can't control short of rounding dips hits up with cattle prods.

Wow you would be awesome in business. Only living in the right now, no planning because future is uncertain, purely reactive.

Fair enough though, it kind of explains a lot.

That's a bit smart arse isn't it? What does it explain exactly?
Funnily enough I am actually a planner by career but also ones that sees no value in setting up measures and goals that experience shows cannot have a certain degree of certainty. I'm sure you are aware of the phases things go through and how plans remain fluid while working toward a goal until they reach levels of known achievability.
One of the biggest business delivery failings is trying to nail stuff down to early. Ever notice why so many projects go over the original investment case. Because everyone wanted a 'roadmap' quantified before planning was complete. I understand that some business cultures (an example I was given was a Japanese one) don't accept overruns because they invest in planning before promises. I digress.
I haven't said that the govt shouldn't plan. Far from it. I think they need to constantly re-plan based on what's happening and have underlying aims that they can be agile in achieving. Planning AND reacting are key.

I read this shaking my head knowing not to carry on. Only plan if there is a certain degree of certainty. Good grief.

I don't believe for a second, based on your responses that you are a planner, but there you go.

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo what's the point of planning and budgeting on something that has a slim chance of going to plan? You'd then have everyone bitching and moaning about how they had spent money, arranged functions etc etc and it changed on them.

Giving false hope isn't good leadership either.

I do think that there may be a bit more of a plan soon though hence the modelling being done on vaccination rates etc. There is a need to create a carrot instead of just pointing to the stick.
I wouldn't be making plans on it though. Way too much can happen.

A plan isn't false hope. It's a plan. A plan can have what is deemed as bad outcomes as well as good. That's what planning is.

Has to have a point though. I still don't see what the type of plan we are talking about achieves apart from a waste of time.

There is a roadmap being formulated by the looks of things, based around vaccination rates which is a massive unknown being down to human choice. Anything set out after that is then variable based on something that we can't control short of rounding dips hits up with cattle prods.

Wow you would be awesome in business. Only living in the right now, no planning because future is uncertain, purely reactive.

Fair enough though, it kind of explains a lot.

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@hooroo what's the point of planning and budgeting on something that has a slim chance of going to plan? You'd then have everyone bitching and moaning about how they had spent money, arranged functions etc etc and it changed on them.

Giving false hope isn't good leadership either.

I do think that there may be a bit more of a plan soon though hence the modelling being done on vaccination rates etc. There is a need to create a carrot instead of just pointing to the stick.
I wouldn't be making plans on it though. Way too much can happen.

A plan isn't false hope. It's a plan. A plan can have what is deemed as bad outcomes as well as good. That's what planning is.

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

Some facts:

Beauden Barrett will be playing his 15th Test against South Africa and Brodie Retallick his 12th. Eight players (Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, David Havili, Will Jordan, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Ethan Blackadder, Brad Weber and Quinn Tupaea) will be playing them for the first time.

Wow! That is quite a stat. I like that.

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@crucial That's not a roadmap ...

You do know it's okay for a Government to put up a high-level roadmap with dates and some phases and say it's all subject to change because Covid situations are fluid? ... that's normal big-organization stuff let alone government. State their key assumptions and constraints and controls locally and on MIQ/imported infections that NZ can handle/ cannot handle. Reference healthcare capacity in the constraints etc. Talk surge capacity. 10 slides, max.

Anyway would nice to have something that can inform me when MIQ might be dropped (or if it ever will be?)

I don't get your logic. Let's say that the govt laid out a plan that had 90% vaccination rates complete by end of January at which time MIQ would drop to 5 days for vaccinated travellers, freeing up many rooms with higher turnover.
Then you start planning a trip for next March. Save your pennies, book a flight, tell everyone, get leave organised etc
We don't reach the target so it's pushed back a month as per the stated roadmap meaning that your MIQ booking has now been lost and you have to replan.
Then we get an outbreak via a vaccinated traveller etc etc etc

Where has this stated roadmap got you? A better place?

This is a constantly changing situation and moves forward get made step by step as and when an opening to do so arises, not when planned months ago.

I'm sorry if I seem harsh but I used to have to deal with similar situations daily from expats in situations overseas. The reality is that if you live away from family in another country you can't always have things work out. I myself missed two funerals, one for my grandmother and that was simply due to the logistics of me getting back holding things up for everyone else. Just this year my son and partner were stuck in the UK having decided to ride out the first lockdown there where at least they had income but their visas then didn't have much longer to run. It was three weeks of 24hr monitoring of the booking site to land a spot that was then 6 weeks away.
You live in another country to your loved ones and you simply have to take it on the chin.

It's shit but shit happens. There are always those worse off.

What a wet and weak reposnse.

Nothing wrong with actually providing what they see as a roadmap so that everyone internally and externally, economically and individually, can plan/budget on. We all know things can change but have a map of how they see it now.

Not it sucks but deal with it. That's not leading that is just weakness.

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

i dont mind it

I'm underwhelmed a bit but I don't know what I would change with no ALB. Can't argue with forwards though.

@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

The most anticipated team naming since…last Thursday

Sans Aaron, Sam, Sam and Mounga, this will be what Fozzie thinks is our strongest team, wouldn't it?

It’s only the Boks…

I'll eat my hat....

@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@hooroo Unless there are injuries we don't know of, or who haven't recovered (ALB, for example).

True. I forgot about ALB. Is he out for campaign?

@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

The most anticipated team naming since…last Thursday

Sans Aaron, Sam, Sam and Mounga, this will be what Fozzie thinks is our strongest team, wouldn't it?

@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

As I said I appreciate the above is not true for everyone and there are really sad cases of families being unable to reunite etc - many of which have been shared here. I genuinely feel for these people, but what's the alternative? NZ are not in a position to open the borders (yet) to everyone because our health system won't cope.

MIQ is only a thing because that's the REAL scandal no one seems to be calling out imho ... healthcare. Presumably decades of cutting and under-investment?

Returnees are victims of the root cause.

I don't think having MIQ is unfair, I don't think capacity limits or issues are unfair. But not putting up a roadmap is unfair.

I'm an adult, just tell me reality so I can deal with it and plan accordingly. That's what adults do.

As for the other, I see your frustration but there is a roadmap. Currently it reads 'we have limited spaces so good luck getting a spot'. You can plan around that for now. I don't see that will change except due to parameters you have no control over anyway so again, no way of 'planning'.

That's not a roadmap. Well it isn't a roadmap that any successful enterprise would use.

That is a point of time report not a map.