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  • B

    mate, you should be able to give them a good nudge - a dwarf like myself rowing should be at a disadvantage to a stretch like youself (getting my excuses in early  :happy:).

    log into concept2.com and start a traing thing there.  In your profile you can input 'training partners', and check what they have been doing.  You can then (I think) check back onto old times / distances, so you could start by attacking my early times / distances.

    My ranking ID is 66877 so you can check in there.Â

    here's my first ten training rows on the rower...

    [quote
    ]dist.              time              date            weight          weight          rower
    7668 30:00.0    2/1/2003    32 H standard
    5305 20:00.0    1/30/2003    32 H standard
    5243 20:00.0    1/29/2003    32 H standard
    7766 30:00.0    1/28/2003    32 H standard
    10004 40:00.0    1/27/2003    32 H standard
    5203 20:00.0    1/26/2003    32 H standard
    4864 20:00.0    1/24/2003    32 H standard
    10186 40:00.0    1/23/2003    32 H standard
    5053 20:00.0    1/22/2003    32 H standard
    7443 30:00.0    1/21/2003    32 H standard[/quote]

    [quote]distances and Persoanl bests for that first years rowing.
    500M  01:29.5    88 of 375  | 23%  2/2/2003 32 H none 
    1000M  03:21.2    136 of 395  | 34%  2/6/2003 32 H none 
    2000M  07:00.3    581 of 1514  | 38%  2/6/2003 32 H none 
    5000M  17:59.8    117 of 974  | 12%  4/19/2003 32 H none 
    6000M  22:00.2    70 of 373  | 19%  3/11/2003 32 H none 
    8065M  30:00.0    111 of 740  | 15%  4/15/2003 32 H none 
    10000M  38:36.4    241 of 801  | 30%  2/18/2003 32 H none 
    15256M  60:00.0    121 of 381  | 32%  4/2/2003 32 H none[/quote]

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  • Hooroo

    Our gym doesn't have concept 2 rowers but my new gym may when I change jobs.  I suppose all rowers would be pretty similar in terms of accuracy!

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  • B

    don't think so - some 'off brand' rowers are major SHIT!!

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  • B

    30 minutes row   8325.  New PB, by about 30 metres.  Interval training , hard out for 35 seconds, cruise for the next 1:25...

    evening gym:  5500m    20:21.3
    Upper body weights.

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  • B

    lunchtime row:

    10,000k     36:53.1

    Didinterval training style :  1000m hard out (1:45-1:48/500)  1000m cruise (1:53-1:58/500) x5.  Was not too bad.

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  • B

    Friday evening:  30mins  7961m

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  • C

    Good stuff mate, it's a pretty amazing feeling when you officially go under the hundie, as I finally found out on Thursday.
    It's a feeling that skinny people will never be able to understand... 👼

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  • B

    Sunday:  5500:  20:15, and upper body weights session.

    Under the ton for a few seconds I reckonl until I had re hydrated!!

    But getting there.  Don't think I would like to get much under the 100 at any rate - hate feeling 'small' after all theses years of being a frontrower.  Someone even picked me for a flanker the other day.  The shame :shifty:

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  • W

    just pick up a ball and show em your ball skills fella - den they will know you are and always will be a front rower!!! :2funny:

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  • C

    [quote name='BartMan']
    But getting there.  Don't think I would like to get much under the 100 at any rate - hate feeling 'small' after all theses years of being a frontrower.  Someone even picked me for a flanker the other day.  The shame :shifty:
    [/quote]
    Don't believe the hype, Bartos.
    'Small' lives longer, goes further, doesn't get diabetes, heart disease etc...
    We've just been told we need to be big by our coaches ever since college, so of course it's going to be hard to change your mindset, but you've gotta do it, for the sake of yourself. I don't know about you, but I want to meet my grandkids. (In about another thirty years, mind 😁)
    I'm pretty sure we're about the same age (I'm 32), so now's the time to get cracking... or else we're heading down a road that ends at heart attack city.
    I'm planning on being around 85kg when I run the London Marathon, anything more and it'll just be too hard.

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  • B

    Willy, you get your touch team together, and I'll get mine, and then we'll see who has the magic  :knubble:

    Chowie, I don't think I would get much below 95kg, not carrying too much fat at all now, and am probably fitter than when I was playing code!  Mind you, with that stupid BMI index thing, no doubnt I am still super obese.... :tickedoff:

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  • W

    Nope what we need now fella is the Whanga man of steel challenge!! We are slimmer than ever, fitter than ever.....now is the time.

    The challenge work likes this:

    100m spirnt
    2000m row time trial
    Goal kicking competion
    Bench press
    1 length Whangamata school pool
    Barts bike around the block time trial
    3km run - whangamata school track
    Tennis competion
    9 holes golf Whangamata small course

    Open to all Fat busters in a weekend in say October when it warms up and we all do some practice.

    Points are say we get 10 fastbusters turn up, 10 points first and down to 1 point last. Winner is the dude aor dudess that has the most points at the end of the comp.

    What ya reckon?

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  • ?

    [quote name='willie the weka']
    Nope what we need now fella is the Whanga man of steel challenge!! We are slimmer than ever, fitter than ever.....now is the time.

    The challenge work likes this:

    100m spirnt
    2000m row time trial
    Goal kicking competion
    Bench press
    1 length Whangamata school pool
    Barts bike around the block time trial
    3km run - whangamata school track
    Tennis competion
    9 holes golf Whangamata small course

    Open to all Fat busters in a weekend in say October when it warms up and we all do some practice.

    Points are say we get 10 fastbusters turn up, 10 points first and down to 1 point last. Winner is the dude aor dudess that has the most points at the end of the comp.

    What ya reckon?

    [/quote]

    Im in, but I cant play tennis or golf unless its can a hole.

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  • B

    yeah, that golf sounds like a shit idea, and tennis - haven't played that since I beat Fonzie at the Cedarwood motor hotel when we were studying for School C...

    How about rugby golf, when you have to kick the ball at various targets instead - scored the same way....

    otherwise sounds pretty cool to me - 3k run though, fuck that's a long way!

    meanwhile, 5k row 19:15.0  Feeling a bit knackered this week, was ging to row 10k yesterday, but after 5.5 was almost dead, so stopped, so might have an easy week this one, maybe give a PB a nudge later in the week, when I am not feeling so buggered.  Maybe even throw in a couple of mountain treks if it stops raining!!

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  • C

    [quote name='BartMan']
    Chowie, I don't think I would get much below 95kg, not carrying too much fat at all now, and am probably fitter than when I was playing code!  Mind you, with that stupid BMI index thing, no doubnt I am still super obese.... :tickedoff:
    [/quote]
    I hear you, but I said the same thing to my doctor, and he said (and I quote)
    "Bullshit".
    Then he said " It's a simple fact that if you are 1.9m tall you should be 86kg, end of story."
    Then he said " Stop making excuses and get on with it!"
    He's quite a hard case my GP, but a good bloke, he gave me just the kick up the arse I needed.

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  • B

    so you should lose muscle mass too, to get down to 85kg or whatever??  Tell your doc to get fucked  😁

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  • W

    Yep bart and RB I here you re the golf and tennis, 3km run, and goal kicking but that evens it out for the wee fellas like steppa. Otherwise the big boys would just dominate, this way it's more an all rounder type event for us guys that used to just be all round!!!!
    We could add a pool comp on the Saturday night to rehydrate?
    Barty start a new tread and choose a date will ya?

    In so far RB, Bartman, and the weka.......

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  • B

    tuesday night row 5500  20:13 and upper body weights.

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  • B

    wednesday night row:  6500  23:35.5 and upper ody weights

    Thursday night:  30 mins  8165  stretches  then 5000  19:36.6

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  • P

    So you've been going hard out for three months now. Are you still a fat fluffybunny or what?

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  • B

    yeah P, just over the 100kg mark, from a game high 118.5 odd, so compared to you, still a fat bastard, but to me, in racing trim!!

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  • B

    Friday, the SnapperSlayer interval trainng thing, that still hurts, bug kept on the times set better this time.

    Covered 5524 in the 20 minutes.  Heart hit a high of 167 on this new flash heart rate thing I got of trademe.  Now just need to learn how to set it t keep track of a workout, will do highs and lows, average and all that shit.  So won't need to get one off you now thanks Snapper.

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  • Hooroo

    [quote name='BartMan']
    Friday, the SnapperSlayer interval trainng thing, that still hurts, bug kept on the times set better this time.

    Covered 5524 in the 20 minutes.  Heart hit a high of 167 on this new flash heart rate thing I got of trademe.  Now just need to learn how to set it t keep track of a workout, will do highs and lows, average and all that shit.   So won't need to get one off you now thanks Snapper.

    [/quote]

    I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard.  Half the reason I collapsed I guess.  Felt great after though

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  • B

    fark!

    Wil keep that in mind.  Was dropping down to 150s on the 'rest' phases.

    Will do a half hour row hard out and see what I can get the old ticker up to...  Hope I don't end up  👼

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  • Hooroo

    [quote name='BartMan']
    fark!

    Wil keep that in mind.  Was dropping down to 150s on the 'rest' phases.

    Will do a half hour row hard out and see what I can get the old ticker up to...   Hope I don't end up  👼
    [/quote]

    I think it depends on how old you are though fossil

    I'm 31

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  • B

    old, OLD, yeah, 1971 was a good year....

    ANyway, heart rate up to 169 at the end of 30 minute row after work today.  8328m  Which was a new PB, by 3 metres!!  Next target 8341 m, which will jump me to 7th on the concept 2 rankings of nerd rowers (30-39 bracket).

    This heart monitor rocks!  I'm alive, alive I tell you!@

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  • B

    wake up row this morninig, in the COLD.  just 10 minutes to warm up for the day!!  2600m.

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  • B

    Wow, another new PB, this time for the 5000m.  Knocked a grand POINT FIVE of a second off the old time!!  17:36.0.    Nothced the rower down to 6 on the resistance thing, and was flying along before I knew it, so though I would give record a nudge, and just did!!  Will try revrn lower ratinings and see what happens.

    Heart topped out at 170 at the end, was cruising along in the mid 160s before the last 500m sprint saw it jump to the 170.

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  • Baron Silas Greenback

    [quote]old, OLD, yeah, 1971 was a good year....[/quote]

    A great year.

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  • B

    8146  30 minutes at lunchtime.  Was on track for a 8350+, but hit the biggest, hardest, brickest wall with 7 muntes to go that you have ever seen.  no idea where it came from, just popped out of nowhere!!

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  • M

    [quote name='Hooroo']
    I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard.  Half the reason I collapsed I guess.  Felt great after though
    [/quote]

    Thats insane, its the opposite, you want to burn fat you need your heart rate down at only 65% - so around 135 for someone 31, its all a trade off between fitness & fat, higher you go the more you will build up your cardio & the less fat you burn.

    You wanna burn fat get on a rower & hold your rate at 130 beats a minute for half an hour, you wanna get fit do 2 minute bursts cranking your rate up to 160, then coast for 30 seconds, then just keep doing that till you pass out.

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  • Hooroo

    [quote name='mogwai']
    [quote name='Hooroo']
    I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard.  Half the reason I collapsed I guess.  Felt great after though
    [/quote]

    Thats insane, its the opposite, you want to burn fat you need your heart rate down at only 65% - so around 135 for someone 31, its all a trade off between fitness & fat, higher you go the more you will build up your cardio & the less fat you burn.

    You wanna burn fat get on a rower & hold your rate at 130 beats a minute for half an hour, you wanna get fit do 2 minute bursts cranking your rate up to 160, then coast for 30 seconds, then just keep doing that till you pass out.
    [/quote]

    Nah it's not, it's working.  Shows what you know

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  • M

    [quote name='Hooroo']

    Nah it's not, it's working.  Shows what you know
    [/quote]

    Congrats, you've managed to go entirely against every training plan ever, including the Polar, Nike & Suunto heart rate monitor webistes & every personal trainer I've ever spoken tooÂ

    Realistically you do an hour of cardio you will lose weight, no matter how you do it, but if your main goal is you want to lose weight you need to crank down your heart rate, otherwise you are just waisting half your workout

    [url="http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp"]http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp[/url]

    Key Target Zones

    60-70% of max HR Good for weight loss, building endurance or recovery
    70-80% " " "  Good for improving cardiovascular fitness
    80%+ " " " Interval workouts

    Example:

    Gerry is 45 years old, wants to lose weight, and exercises three days a week, sometimes for 10 minutes, sometimes for 20 minutes and is just not sure how hard to go.

    *Her estimated max heart rate is 220-(age) 45=175

    The recommended target zone is 60-70 %
    60% of 175=105
    70% of 175=123

    Gerry’s target zone is 105-123

    Gerry should exercise three days a week for at least 30 minutes and keep her heart rate between 105 and 123 for effective weight loss. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

    ditto -

    [url="http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart_rate_monitor_faq.html"]http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart ... r_faq.html[/url]

    etc

    ditto any decent personal trainer & every single heart rate manufacturer without exception

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  • Hooroo

    [quote name='mogwai']
    [quote name='Hooroo']

    Nah it's not, it's working.  Shows what you know
    [/quote]

    Congrats, you've managed to go entirely against every training plan ever, including the Polar, Nike & Suunto heart rate monitor webistes & every personal trainer I've ever spoken tooÂ

    Realistically you do an hour of cardio you will lose weight, no matter how you do it, but if your main goal is you want to lose weight you need to crank down your heart rate, otherwise you are just waisting half your workout

    [url="http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp"]http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp[/url]

    Key Target Zones

    60-70% of max HR Good for weight loss, building endurance or recovery
    70-80% " " "  Good for improving cardiovascular fitness
    80%+ " " " Interval workouts

    Example:

    Gerry is 45 years old, wants to lose weight, and exercises three days a week, sometimes for 10 minutes, sometimes for 20 minutes and is just not sure how hard to go.

    *Her estimated max heart rate is 220-(age) 45=175

    The recommended target zone is 60-70 %
    60% of 175=105
    70% of 175=123

    Gerry?s target zone is 105-123

    Gerry should exercise three days a week for at least 30 minutes and keep her heart rate between 105 and 123 for effective weight loss. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

    ditto -

    [url="http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart_rate_monitor_faq.html"]http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart ... r_faq.html[/url]

    etc

    ditto any decent personal trainer & every single heart rate manufacturer without exception

    [/quote]

    This was from a pro.  I didn't make up this programme myself... I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing.  I paid for this.. like others in the gym. It's the latest they are using at our gym with fantastic results.  Sports science changes near daily.  Don't be ignorant of that.

    So I didn't even bother reading your speil as I would rather listen to a person who knows and studies this shit day to day than a person I don't know from the internet.

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  • Kirwan

    To stick my oar in, Mogwai's post is what I've been told in the past.

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  • Hooroo

    [quote name='Kirwan']
    To stick my oar in, Mogwai's post is what I've been told in the past.
    [/quote]
    It will work but there is more than one way to skin a cat.  I'm not saying he is wrong.  But I am also saying that the dudes at out gym are also right.  Sports science is forever changing

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  • B

    sports science and understanding is changing, but the human body isn't.  I can't get my heart rate that high for 30 minutes without passing out!!  That is max effort for me, and can crank it to that for a few minutes.  Can hold it around 150 forever, but with the same effort from minute one to minute 30, my heart will climb from 135 at the start, to the 160ish at the end of the row.

    I don't think you could train all week at that sort of rate Hooroo - you need to mix it up.  Me doing the slow rows, the Mogwai rows, and also the interval things, but with 30 secs effort and 90 secs rest, uintiol passing out (that is the 30 minutes too!!) or almost.

    Was losing weight merrily but body got used to the med heart rate thing, so have been upping effort rate into those high zones and doing intervals etc.  Have lost seven inches off my waist since starting all this rowing.

    So what am I saying, do what works, as they both do.  It's all about opinions, as on here.  Your PT Hooroo, thinks you need to go mad into the high zones, while the next PT at the next gym will be the opposite, and then your opinoin would be opposite too...

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  • B

    lunchtime row:  in the 'mogwai zone'. 136-142 BPM  :happy:  30 minutes  7864m

    the 142 was the highest it went , so lsowed the row down a touch, staued pretty muich 136-138 most of the time.

    Quite relaxing

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  • Wairau

    I'll jump in here. I've heard the same, but never followed that myself. I always reckoned they safed it down for general population. Always thought that 145-155 was a minimium range for all periods of exercise. (To build more muscle, I wouldn't exceed 80 min workouts, and would have plenty of rest, focusing on heavy reps to exhaustion) (To get fit I'd do intervals ranging in length of time, plus hill work, and aim 30-90 minute workouts going quite hard....)

    On topic, fat busting (which is often done by the less fit, so slower for safety, and to ensure the exerciser could continue without giving up/bonking/dying), (aside from boosting metabolism), the first 30-60 minutes exercise takes energy stored in the muscles (therefore hitting the wall when all easily available energy is used up). The next meal replenishes much of the energy stored in muscles. So, to lose fat go longer, make the body get used to using fat for energy.

    If I was wanting to lose fat, I'd aim for longer sessions with little interruption/rest...1.5-3 hours
    -walk to the gym as warm up, (or go from a game), do the usual gym stuff, add on running/biking intervals (spinning class).
    -as far as swimming, studies on web said body wants more food immediately after exercising, and will store it as fat for warmth.

    Also food. I'd avoid carbs after 7pm (forcing body to look elsewhere to replace energy in muscles (i.e from fat), and I'd eat more fish/steamed/raw and vege juices.

    I'm going to start a thread on this general topic, hope I can get some helpful feedback. Thanks.

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  • B

    hey Kea, welcome!

    Also tdo your aerobic stuff after your weight session, as your weights will have burned up the energy stored in your muscles, so it is the fat your body starts into for the aerobic bit.

    THat aside, a nice little row evening.  140 BPM, 5500m  20:28.6 minutes.

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