[Poll] Next AB Captain



  • @MajorRage said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Please no Whitelock. It's time to start a fresh and with the next breed. Sam's had 3 world cups and just didn't look like he was up there anymore last weekend. Itoje & Lawes both overshadowed him.

    I don't know who it should be honestly. I would have said Sam Cane, but I think he's more leadership group than leader.

    So, I don't know. Not a clue.

    Yeah both Sams out of the frame for mine. Whitelock’s lack of composure and ill discipline on the weekend rule him out for me (especially so given he is a 100 test veteran).

    Cane would have been my choice, but I’m not sure how long he’s going to last given his injuries and question marks over his place in the team.



  • @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years

    i bet it's not (easy to say now, 7 months in advance!!)

    Who do you see, who isn't retiring, being realistically left out? Especially by a new coach in a bedding-in process?

    Hey remember when Jonno Gibbes became an AB In 2004....

    😎



  • @Nevorian said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    and maybe just throwing it out there, but what if the next AB World Cup captain has not played for the All Blacks yet? Would there be any potential candidates?

    They have all played for the ABs, but Atu Moli, Dalton Papali'i and Luke Jacobson were Captains of NZ-age grade teams.



  • @junior said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @NTA said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Coles as Captain? 🤔

    Has he done it before? TBH he's a bit of a cock so not sure he's your man

    Could be the making of him, though.

    Certainly some players rise to the occasion - James Horwill at the Reds lost some of his dickhead factor when given leadership.



  • Surely Coles has done enough stupid shit this year to rule him put of captaincy contention



  • @voodoo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Surely Coles has done enough stupid shit this year to rule him put of captaincy contention

    Maybe it'll stop him getting yellow cards?

    🤔

    Nah...



  • @NTA who knows, but a decent part of being a good cap is rapport and reputation with the refs, and i reckon he did some damage to his brand this year.



  • @voodoo said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @NTA who knows, but a decent part of being a good cap is rapport and reputation with the refs, and i reckon he did some damage to his brand this year.

    I don't think there is so far down that path you can go without fixing it up.

    Redemption and perseverance and all that shit



  • Consider who England have had: Hartley, then Farrell.

    Dane Coles is a well-behaved choir boy by conparison.



  • @sparky yeah true

    I still think you'd have Whitelock or Cane well ahead of him



  • @sparky said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Nevorian said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    and maybe just throwing it out there, but what if the next AB World Cup captain has not played for the All Blacks yet? Would there be any potential candidates?

    They have all played for the ABs, but Atu Moli, Dalton Papali'i and Luke Jacobson were Captains of NZ-age grade teams.

    I’d go Whitelock then transition to Jacobson in a couple of years. I thought he had presence as a captain when I saw him in the U20 champs.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years

    i bet it's not (easy to say now, 7 months in advance!!)

    Who do you see, who isn't retiring, being realistically left out? Especially by a new coach in a bedding-in process?

    Hey remember when Jonno Gibbes became an AB In 2004....

    😎

    I do, and we better be talking about him with the appropriate respect! That was a cracking selection.

    (He was actually a bit of jerk at high school, but the Gibbes are good people, and his brother is a legend)



  • @ACT-Crusader said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @Kirwan said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    next squad annoucement is going to be the most interesting in years

    i bet it's not (easy to say now, 7 months in advance!!)

    Who do you see, who isn't retiring, being realistically left out? Especially by a new coach in a bedding-in process?

    Hey remember when Jonno Gibbes became an AB In 2004....

    😎

    Hero



  • @mariner4life hero in his own lunchbox 😀

    In all seriousness I was a fan of Gibbes, but his selection to start at blindside in Henry’s very first test was an eyebrow raiser to say the least.

    Didn’t make the 2003 RWC squad and can’t recall him even being in the mix prior to the WC.

    I reckon we will see a few surprises both ins and outs.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @mariner4life hero in his own lunchbox 😀

    In all seriousness I was a fan of Gibbes, but his selection to start at blindside in Henry’s very first test was an eyebrow raiser to say the least.

    Didn’t make the 2003 RWC squad and can’t recall him even being in the mix prior to the WC.

    I reckon we will see a few surprises both ins and outs.

    It wasn't really an eyebrow raiser, he'd been performing well for a number of years in Super rugby but Mitchell favoured the Suitcase over the competition, and it was just before Collins switched fully to 6.

    That was a very experimental time for our loose forwards with Rush, Tuialili and Newby also getting runs.

    Gibbes hung around the squad long enough to get 4 mins against the Lions in 2005. 🙂



  • @Nepia said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    Gibbes hung around the squad long enough to get 4 mins against the Lions in 2005. 🙂

    The 80 mins for the Maori against the Lions is what I'll remember Jono by in a black jersey. Looking down and out through injury but taking the final lineouts was the stuff of legends. He was more of a lock by then.



  • @Nepia said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @ACT-Crusader said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @mariner4life hero in his own lunchbox 😀

    In all seriousness I was a fan of Gibbes, but his selection to start at blindside in Henry’s very first test was an eyebrow raiser to say the least.

    Didn’t make the 2003 RWC squad and can’t recall him even being in the mix prior to the WC.

    I reckon we will see a few surprises both ins and outs.

    It wasn't really an eyebrow raiser, he'd been performing well for a number of years in Super rugby but Mitchell favoured the Suitcase over the competition, and it was just before Collins switched fully to 6.

    That was a very experimental time for our loose forwards with Rush, Tuialili and Newby also getting runs.

    Gibbes hung around the squad long enough to get 4 mins against the Lions in 2005. 🙂

    It was an eyebrow raiser. In fact both him and Xavier getting those starting spots. Not that they weren’t bad, but that Rodders wasn’t brought back in which surprised many given he was left out for the WC squad having made the ABs that year and was playing well.



  • Actually looking at those names above, I don't think any of them deserve to be captain.
    Prior to this shitfest, I would have plumped for Whitelock. But I don;t want my captain to be involved in doing silly shit. I would have hen gone for Cane - but given his recent head history, not sure how long he will be around at the highest level.
    I'm thinking it may have to be someone younger......



  • @Tim said in [Poll] Next AB Captain:

    @MajorRage Might be time to compensate for not having a single outstanding candidate with dual captains? Cane and a back.

    With Crotty gone the one back I'd trust right now in this scenario is BB, depends where he's playing.



  • @Jailbreak7 it was dumb, borne out of frustration (plus milked for all it was worth) but one our greatest captains was yellow carded for something dumber, so I can cur him some slack on that one.


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