AB squad next RWC (2023)?



  • A long way out I know, but I had a little think about who could still be around or might break through by then.

    Props

    Atu Moli (28 at start of next RWC)
    Alex Fidow (26)
    Karl Tu'inukuafe (30)
    Ofa Tu'ungafasi (31)
    Tyrel Lomax (27)

    Hookers

    Codie Taylor (32)
    Nathan Harris (31)
    Asafo Aumua (26)

    Locks

    Scott Barrett (29)
    Patrick Tuitupolou (30)
    Brodie Retallick (32) or Pari Pari Parkinson (27)

    Back row

    Luke Jacobson (26)
    Nico Jones (22) or Aaron Segner (22)
    Ardie Savea (29)
    Dalton Papali'i (25)
    Akira Ioane (28) or Devan Flanders (24)
    Shannon Frizzell (29) or Sam Cane (31)

    Half Backs

    TJ Perenera (31)
    Mitchell Drummond (29)
    Leroy Carter (24) or Folau Fakatava (23)

    First Fives

    Beauden Barrett (32)
    Richie Mo'unga (29)
    Josh Ioane (28)

    Midfield

    ALB (28)
    Jack Goodhue (28)
    Jordie Barrett (26)
    Vince Aso (27) or Ngani Laumape (30)

    Back Three

    Reiko Ioane (26)
    Sevu Reece (27)
    Damian McKenzie (28)
    Will Jordan (25)
    Leicester Fainga'anuku (23) or George Bridge (28)

    Any other suggestions?



  • I can say with 100% certainty that for either of the Ioane's to make the squad, the NZ-residence only selection criteria will have to change.



  • @MajorRage You reckon they're taking a deal overseas?



  • @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @MajorRage You reckon they're taking a deal overseas?

    Yep, not now though. I have no inside knowledge or anything like that, but I predict the new coach still won't pick Akira & he'll upsticks probably 2021 with Rieko following shortly after.



  • @sparky
    Alex Fidow would have to improve his scrummaging big time
    Asafo Amua would have to improve throwing his darts
    Akira Ioane ..would will require a massive attitude shift..

    I reckon a couple of players who could be ripe for the picking in 2023 are.
    Kaleb Trask..Bay of Plenty (First Five/Fullback)
    Quinn Tupaea Waikato (centre)
    Teariki Ben Nicolas Wellington (number8)
    Devon Flanders Hawkes Bay (6/8)



  • Oh and instead of Akira, I reckon it'll be Steve Luatua.



  • @MajorRage isnt Reiko signed up through to the next RWC?



  • @taniwharugby said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @MajorRage isnt Reiko signed up through to the next RWC?

    No, just to end of 2022.



  • @MajorRage if he regathers form or has moved closer in if he loses a yard of pace, 2023 RWC oculd be a big carrot for him given he is still so young



  • That German loose forward playing for the NZ schoolboy team is one to watch.
    Tamaiti Williams is the next big thing at LHP IMO.
    As the semi final against England has shown, big bruisers are needed in the backrow. So Papali'i and Jacobson could fit in perfectly.



  • @taniwharugby yeah, that was why he signed to 2022. As hoped to be in a more powerful position before next WC to negotiate better contract. That was Hinton's take a year ago.

    FWIW, I do genuinely hope I'm wrong as both the Ioane's are / have the capability of being phenomenal players.



  • We're going to need some new locks.

    Most interested to watch will be Walker-Leawere next year. Then Strange and Parkinson. Might be a year too early for Pierce and McWhannell.

    Another point of interest is if two open-sides will be the preferred choice. Hopefully refs will start policing the ruck again, and the incentive will go away.

    A lot of young sixes about, a couple of which play seven as well (Blues region is stacked here but not at hooker):

    Jacobson
    Papalii

    Frizell
    Robinson
    Sotutu

    There's the two the Crusaders have been looking at: Ethan Roots and Cameron Suafoa

    Who's more promising out of Mikaele-Tu’u and Flanders?



  • @sparky Akira won't be there.



  • @Tim that’s a good question in and around the 2 x Hawkes Bay flankers..completely forgot about big red and Sotutu..I would expect Papalii to be in the mix somewhere ...lock is definitely a concern..



  • @Steven-Harris With an underdone Retallick, and Whitelock playing a lot of minutes in his absence, we really got done there.

    Barrett is too small against big packs. Pat T is a beast, but he's not a great lineout target.



  • @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    We're going to need some new locks.

    Most interested to watch will be Walker-Leawere next year. Then Strange and Parkinson. Might be a year too early for Pierce and McWhannell.

    Another point of interest is if two open-sides will be the preferred choice. Hopefully refs will start policing the ruck again, and the incentive will go away.

    A lot of young sixes about, a couple of which play seven as well (Blues region is stacked here but not at hooker):

    Jacobson
    Papalii

    Frizell
    Robinson
    Sotutu

    There's the two the Crusaders have been looking at: Ethan Roots and Cameron Suafoa

    Who's more promising out of Mikaele-Tu’u and Flanders?

    Ethan Roots has signed for the Crusaders so I understand .Cameron Suafoa Hasn’t as yet been signed.



  • @MajorRage said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Oh and instead of Akira, I reckon it'll be Steve Luatua.

    It would be great to have him back.



  • @Tim cupboard is pretty bare after Patty T and Paripari Parkinson hopefully he comes on big time for the Blues..
    I was really disappointed Manaaki Selby Rickit got himself into trouble with the law this year..at 22 years old, 6’7 and 112kgs this kid is an athlete..incredibly good in the air, I have no doubt he would have picked up a super contract next year, given the shortage of quality locks...it’s a real bugger,but only has himself to blame .



  • @Steven-Harris said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @sparky
    Alex Fidow would have to improve his scrummaging big time
    Asafo Amua would have to improve throwing his darts
    Akira Ioane ..would will require a massive attitude shift..

    I'm hoping the next set of All Blacks coaches can do something about all three in the same way Eddie Jones has improved the England forwards.



  • @cgrant said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    That German loose forward playing for the NZ schoolboy team is one to watch.

    Aaron Segner. Technique at breakdown looks excellent for an 18 year old.

    Hopefully he'll stick with NZRU rather than be tempted back to Europe. Wouldn't be surprised if the Paris or London clubs were keeping an eye on him.



  • Just to throw a couple of names in the hat:

    Tyrel Lomax (Prop Tasman)
    Isaia Walker-Leawere (Lock Hawkes Bay)
    Folau Fakatava (Halfback Hawkes Bay)



  • @Steven-Harris said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim cupboard is pretty bare after Patty T and Paripari Parkinson hopefully he comes on big time for the Blues..

    Zach Gallagher (Lock) is another name to watch.



  • @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Who's more promising out of Mikaele-Tu’u and Flanders?

    Flanders I'd say, although Mikaele-Tu'u can put in some blockbusting performances.



  • @Steven-Harris said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim cupboard is pretty bare after Patty T and Paripari Parkinson hopefully he comes on big time for the Blues..
    I was really disappointed Manaaki Selby Rickit got himself into trouble with the law this year..at 22 years old, 6’7 and 112kgs this kid is an athlete..incredibly good in the air, I have no doubt he would have picked up a super contract next year, given the shortage of quality locks...it’s a real bugger,but only has himself to blame .

    I got to shake Pari Pari's hand on Saturday night.

    He is just an enormous unit - I think he's the biggest person I've ever stood right next to. TV gives no idea really. You can see where stories like David and Goliath can come from.

    Then I looked up Steven Adams and he's 7cm taller than Pari Pari!



  • @Nepia said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Who's more promising out of Mikaele-Tu’u and Flanders?

    Flanders I'd say, although Mikaele-Tu'u can put in some blockbusting performances.

    I thought the 2017 U20 loose forward trio of Jacobson, Papalii and Mikaele-Tu'u was great and very balanced. Mikaele-Tu'u is a the dynamic ball runner so hopefully he gets a chance now at the Highlanders.

    If we are wanting some tall locks a player like Josh Lord should have developed nicely in 4 years. There is also Sam Darry.



  • @Bovidae How about McWhannell? Seems to have been injured a lot.



  • @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Bovidae How about McWhannell? Seems to have been injured a lot.

    Only one injury, a broken leg I think. He was back for the last 2 Waikato games and I hope he's signed for the Chiefs again. McWhannell is listed at 1.98 m so not really tall for a modern-day lock. He has plenty of potential though, mobile and good in the lineout.



  • Maro Itoje is 1.95m so don't write off Locks that are less than 2 metres tall.



  • @Bovidae said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Nepia said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Who's more promising out of Mikaele-Tu’u and Flanders?

    Flanders I'd say, although Mikaele-Tu'u can put in some blockbusting performances.

    I thought the 2017 U20 loose forward trio of Jacobson, Papalii and Mikaele-Tu'u was great and very balanced. Mikaele-Tu'u is a the dynamic ball runner so hopefully he gets a chance now at the Highlanders.

    If we are wanting some tall locks a player like Josh Lord should have developed nicely in 4 years. There is also Sam Darry.

    I wasn't wanting to put down Mikaele-Tu'u, I just think Flanders has the potential to be a long term AB.



  • @Chris-B said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Steven-Harris said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim cupboard is pretty bare after Patty T and Paripari Parkinson hopefully he comes on big time for the Blues..
    I was really disappointed Manaaki Selby Rickit got himself into trouble with the law this year..at 22 years old, 6’7 and 112kgs this kid is an athlete..incredibly good in the air, I have no doubt he would have picked up a super contract next year, given the shortage of quality locks...it’s a real bugger,but only has himself to blame .

    I got to shake Pari Pari's hand on Saturday night.

    He is just an enormous unit - I think he's the biggest person I've ever stood right next to. TV gives no idea really. You can see where stories like David and Goliath can come from.

    Then I looked up Steven Adams and he's 7cm taller than Pari Pari!

    I shook hands today with BBBR. Firm handshake and big unit.



  • @pakman said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Chris-B said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Steven-Harris said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @Tim cupboard is pretty bare after Patty T and Paripari Parkinson hopefully he comes on big time for the Blues..
    I was really disappointed Manaaki Selby Rickit got himself into trouble with the law this year..at 22 years old, 6’7 and 112kgs this kid is an athlete..incredibly good in the air, I have no doubt he would have picked up a super contract next year, given the shortage of quality locks...it’s a real bugger,but only has himself to blame .

    I got to shake Pari Pari's hand on Saturday night.

    He is just an enormous unit - I think he's the biggest person I've ever stood right next to. TV gives no idea really. You can see where stories like David and Goliath can come from.

    Then I looked up Steven Adams and he's 7cm taller than Pari Pari!

    I shook hands today with BBBR. Firm handshake and big unit.

    Think his fingers were clutching my wrist!



  • @Nepia said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    I wasn't wanting to put down Mikaele-Tu'u, I just think Flanders has the potential to be a long term AB.

    Understand but Flanders is a similar player to Jacobson and what the ABs will need is a bruising no.8 to complement those types of players. Akira if he gets his shit together, but Mikaele-Tu'u has all those attributes.



  • Sure Rugby performance is probably 30% about mindset, but it is 70% about talent and Akira Ioane has the talent.

    I hope someone can persuade him to sort his stuff out and seize the opportunities he has.



  • @sparky said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Sure Rugby performance is probably 30% about mindset, but it is 70% about talent and Akira Ioane has the talent.

    I hope someone can persuade him to sort his stuff out and seize the opportunities he has.

    If anyone can, I'd put my money on Razor. Shame he didn't get swallowed up by the Crusaders machine.



  • @sparky said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    Sure Rugby performance is probably 30% about mindset, but it is 70% about talent and Akira Ioane has the talent.

    I hope someone can persuade him to sort his stuff out and seize the opportunities he has.

    Not saying they should have selected him exactly , but the game against england probably showed , we lack big brutal physical players of his type, and he did have one of his best ever games against the lions



  • @kiwiinmelb except you are missing the fact that the majority of games he plays he is simply lazy and shys away from hard work. Yes he had a big workload this year, but I lost count at how many times he just stood near a ruck and watched his team mates hit the ruck. Teariki Ben Nicholas (Wellington), Gareth Evans (Hawkes Bay) and Devan Flanders (Hawkes Bay) are all better options moving forward.

    No doubt Ardie will probably command the 8 jersey with Cane at 7 and someone else at 6.



  • The Jesse Ryder of NZ rugby



  • @sparky said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    @cgrant said in AB squad next RWC (2023)?:

    That German loose forward playing for the NZ schoolboy team is one to watch.

    Aaron Segner. Technique at breakdown looks excellent for an 18 year old.

    Hopefully he'll stick with NZRU rather than be tempted back to Europe. Wouldn't be surprised if the Paris or London clubs were keeping an eye on him.

    Even changed his first name...dedicated to the cause 😉

    Ja, he plays rugby sehr gut.



  • @pakman I think PPP and BBBR are the same height.

    Seeing them playing - they're in among a bunch of other people who are big units, as well. Someone like Mitch Hunt who looks tiny out there is actually solid as fuck in real life.

    Seeing them wander round among the crowd of normal sized people, they look like giants. It's no wonder that contact with the head happens when they tackle halfbacks!



  • When I lived in the USA I saw up close a number of basketball players who breathed rarified air. The backup centre for the college team was a white guy who was 2.18 m (7' 2").


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