Blues v Crusaders



  • Blues named
     
    Latimer out with a knee injury so Pryor starts. Moala with some bumps and bruises but i'm guessing he'll play. If he doesn't Sau starts and Michael Little comes onto the bench.
     
    I have a bad feeling Duffie is going to get owned by Nadolo again this week, he has destroyed the Blues the last few years. I'd be tempted to line Moala/Sau up against Nadolo on defense. 
     
    1 - Prattley
    2 - Parsons (c)
    3 - Charlie
    4 - Tuipulotu
    5 - Bekhuis
    6 - Kaino
    7 - Pryor
    8 - Luatua
    9 - Guton
    10 - West
    11 - Li
    12 - Francis
    13 - Moala/Sau
    14 - Duffie
    15 - Nanai
     
    16 - MacDonald
    17 - Ofa T
    18 - Sione Mafileo
    19 - Matenga
    20 - Ram
    21 - Hall
    22 - Sau/Little
    23 - Visinia



  • They're starting Duffie again? He was shit against the Force. 😕



  • bit surprised they haven't gone for Ram, is a bit more abrasive and tighter than Pryor



  • Just our luck that Nadolo comes back from suspension when they face us.
     
    Which country will Duffie be flying to this time?

    bit surprised they haven't gone for Ram, is a bit more abrasive and tighter than Pryor

    I have a feeling they don't see Ram having a future here, that's why Pryor is getting all the game time. Because of the 7s, we were able to hold more backrowers this year than usual, so someone has to go after this season, and it seems like Ram is the prime candidate.
     
    Not quite sure if Latimer is going to be here again, but I'd like him to stick around to mentor Gibson, as well as add some vet presence in the team.



  • you are probably right, and ties in with the fact it seems Tana isn't really focused on results so much this year...still, I think Ram is a better all round player, Kara has good pace for a 7 though, but still has moments where he tries too much, but is certainly a good prospect.



  • Apparently Latimer may need knee surgery for his injury. I think Gibson is due back after the June break which would be timely. It has been reported that Moala seemed to come through training ok.



  • Just out of interest, has West started every game this year? I can't recall a game he has missed.
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  • Just out of interest, has West started every game this year? I can't recall a game he has missed.
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    Every game except for the Crusaders game in Chch ironically, where Tana made the rotation changes.
     
    Speaking of, McGahan is out injured this week.



  • Apparently Latimer may need knee surgery for his injury. I think Gibson is due back after the June break which would be timely. It has been reported that Moala seemed to come through training ok.

    Good news for Moala. He could possibly be one of those players on the fringe that AB selection may turn on this weekends performance.



  • you are probably right, and ties in with the fact it seems Tana isn't really focused on results so much this year...still, I think Ram is a better all round player, Kara has good pace for a 7 though, but still has moments where he tries too much, but is certainly a good prospect.

    Definitely would've liked to have seen more Ram this year, but the longer he didn't get gametime, the more I figured he's just not in our plans for the future. I agree that Ram is the better all round player, which is why I've always preferred him to Pryor.



  • From a neutral perspective this is where I believe the Blues need to improve before next year as making this years playoffs is a bit of a stretch.
     
    If I was Tana I would throw all my coin at Beauden Barrett's younger brother Jordie in the off season. He is the exact type of player the Blues desperately need in their arsenal. An inside centre who can cover 1st five with an array of skills that differs from the usual crash and bash style of play that the Blues bring week in and week out. He is also a pin point goal kicker, unlike his bro.
     
    If I was Tana I would also negotiate with Otere Black's manager and get him out of the Hurricanes where he is stuck behind Beaudy and will most likely fall behind TJ Va'a. 
     
    Someone I know close to the Hurricanes said Black has been getting a little restless due to the lack of game time and with TJ Va'a also in their ranks it would be a smart move by the Blues to snap him up while he is not in the spotlight.
     
    In terms of Moala he does not possess a passing game good enough to warrant test selection. He looks great at Super Rugby level with his ability to gain metres over the advantage line every time he carries but International footy is another beast altogether. I prefer him on the wing.
     
    With many believing Tana has more of an eye towards next year, how good would it be if he managed to conjure up a backline of this magnitude in 2017: 9. Pulu 10. Black 11. Li 12. Barrett 13. Ioane 14. Ranger 15. Nanai. with 21. Nock 22. West and 23. Moala on the bench. That backline would surely get bums back on seats and if they also add the signature of someone like SBW they would be looking like contenders once again.



  • From a neutral perspective this is where I believe the Blues need to 
     
    If I was Tana I would throw all my coin at Beauden Barrett's younger brother Jordie in the off season. He is the exact type of player the Blues desperately need in their arsenal. An inside centre who can cover 1st five with an array of skills that differs from the usual crash and bash style of play that the Blues bring week in and week out. He is also a pin point goal kicker, unlike his bro.
     
    If I was Tana I would also negotiate with Otere Black's manager and get him out of the Hurricanes where he is stuck behind Beaudy and will most likely fall behind TJ Va'a. 
     
    Someone I know close to the Hurricanes said Black has been getting a little restless due to the lack of game time and with TJ Va'a also in their ranks it would be a smart move by the Blues to snap him up while he is not in the spotlight.
     
    In terms of Moala he does not possess a passing game good enough to warrant test selection. He looks great at Super Rugby level with his ability to gain metres over the advantage line every time he carries but International footy is another beast altogether. I prefer him on the wing.
     
    With many believing Tana has more of an eye towards next year, how good would it be if he managed to conjure up a backline of this magnitude in 2017: 9. Pulu 10. Black 11. Li 12. Barrett 13. Ioane 14. Ranger 15. Nanai. That backline would surely get bums back on seats and if they also add the signature of someone like SBW they would be looking like contenders once again.

    To paraphrase.... sign a bunch of players from Wellington.



  • To paraphrase.... sign a bunch of players from Wellington.

    Good one SammyClueless
     
    Otere Blacks from Manawatu
    Barrett is down in Canterbury.



  • Otero Black already has a contract but they could go for Perofeta, who already has a combination with Barrett, and looks classy.



  • Good one SammyClueless
     
    Otere Blacks from Manawatu
    Barrett is down in Canterbury.

    I assumed they were from Wellington, as you don't watch any other teams apparently.



  • From a neutral perspective this is where I believe the Blues need to improve before next year as making this years playoffs is a bit of a stretch.
     
    If I was Tana I would throw all my coin at Beauden Barrett's younger brother Jordie in the off season. He is the exact type of player the Blues desperately need in their arsenal. An inside centre who can cover 1st five with an array of skills that differs from the usual crash and bash style of play that the Blues bring week in and week out. He is also a pin point goal kicker, unlike his bro.
     
    If I was Tana I would also negotiate with Otere Black's manager and get him out of the Hurricanes where he is stuck behind Beaudy and will most likely fall behind TJ Va'a. 
     
    Someone I know close to the Hurricanes said Black has been getting a little restless due to the lack of game time and with TJ Va'a also in their ranks it would be a smart move by the Blues to snap him up while he is not in the spotlight.
     
    In terms of Moala he does not possess a passing game good enough to warrant test selection. He looks great at Super Rugby level with his ability to gain metres over the advantage line every time he carries but International footy is another beast altogether. I prefer him on the wing.
     
    With many believing Tana has more of an eye towards next year, how good would it be if he managed to conjure up a backline of this magnitude in 2017: 9. Pulu 10. Black 11. Li 12. Barrett 13. Ioane 14. Ranger 15. Nanai. with 21. Nock 22. West and 23. Moala on the bench. That backline would surely get bums back on seats and if they also add the signature of someone like SBW they would be looking like contenders once again.

    You're one of my fav. posters C4L, guaranteed to over-egg it for canes players 🙂
     
    Barrett would be a good buy (unless SBW goes), but with Ioane and Moala, he won't be starting, unless Ioane stays on the wing - where I think they really need some help Li? Duffie? WTF? Visinia should have been moved there ages ago, as I suggested...
     
    A 10 though is a good idea, and Black does look likely, although a gamble. Probably worth it though.
     
    I'd be looking for a lock to partner Paddy, and trying to magic up a Super level 10.



  • You're one of my fav. posters C4L, guaranteed to over-egg it for canes players 🙂
     
    Barrett would be a good buy (unless SBW goes), but with Ioane and Moala, he won't be starting, unless Ioane stays on the wing - where I think they really need some help Li? Duffie? WTF? Visinia should have been moved there ages ago, as I suggested...
     
    A 10 though is a good idea, and Black does look likely, although a gamble. Probably worth it though.
     
    I'd be looking for a lock to partner Paddy, and trying to magic up a Super level 10.

    Lam will be back from injury next year. Trainor will be another year more experienced too. Not sure if Goodhue is coming back the Blues area.
     
    Hope to see TJ Faiane get a good run in the midfield during the ITM Cup.



  • Lam will be back from injury next year. Trainor will be another year more experienced too. Not sure if Goodhue is coming back the Blues area.
     
    Hope to see TJ Faiane get a good run in the midfield during the ITM Cup.

    from what I hear, the signs are promising, if it happens, it is a while off yet anyway and plenty can change; whether any move is just for Mitre 10 as well as Super rugby is the bigger question I suspect, if his brother is offered another Blues contract, who knows



  • Yes TJ Faiane is an interesting one - a real talent but will his body continue to breakdown, he's had two ACL injuries in the last year (2015 U20 World Cup final and 2016 Super Rugby preseason). A centre pairing of him and Rieko Ioane would be very interesting in the Mitre 10 Cup.



  • Just our luck that Nadolo comes back from suspension when they face us.
     
    Which country will Duffie be flying to this time?

    And last time he was playing FB, 
     
    This time he is marking him , he probably wont sleep this week



  • Is it just me but Otere Black does not seem like a player you want to build a franchise around.  He seems rather average.



  • Is it just me but Otere Black does not seem like a player you want to build a franchise around.  He seems rather average.

    I haven't seen enough of him to judge. Has he got the physical ability?



  • Matt Duffie really?!  They guy is fucken hopeless. Don't mind Pryor being there even if it is for an injury. He's a bit quicker around the field.



  • Crusaders named



  • Fonatia 😡
    That guy has the most charmed existence when it comes to selection.
    Blues should target him hard.



  • Fonatia
    That guy has the most charmed existence when it comes to selection.
    Blues should target him hard.

    Yeah, when I saw the team sheet I was thinking Moala outside him all night.
     
    That, ah, depends on a lot of things though.



  • Fonatia [emoji35]
    That guy has the most charmed existence when it comes to selection.
    Blues should target him hard.

    Exposed against the Landers, but I thought he bounced back pretty well last week against Folau and the Tahs. Read the game far better and didn't get caught out on his outside shoulder.
    I would however love to see what 12. Havili 13. Crotty could do for more than 5 minutes in a game.



  • I think Toddy must like a midfield pairing with a smaller more nimble 2nd five and big lump like Fonotia at centre. Mo'unga/Havili/Crotty might be a bit lightweight, so we might have to wait until Freuan is available to see any change.
     
    An alternative might be to try Nadolo at centre and NcNicol/Macilai on the wings, which would give us more attacking weaponry, but the new centre pairing could be exposed.
     
    Generally, I think Fonotia has gone pretty well this year, with the obvious exception of the Highlanders game. Faddes really exposed his lack of pace and, if we were to meet them again, we would have to find a way to fix that.



  • Got tickets to a corporate box through work for this, looking forward to seeing the Blues put one past the Crusaders at home.



  • I think Toddy must like a midfield pairing with a smaller more nimble 2nd five and big lump like Fonotia at centre. Mo'unga/Havili/Crotty might be a bit lightweight, so we might have to wait until Freuan is available to see any change.
     
    An alternative might be to try Nadolo at centre and NcNicol/Macilai on the wings, which would give us more attacking weaponry, but the new centre pairing could be exposed.
     
    Generally, I think Fonotia has gone pretty well this year, with the obvious exception of the Highlanders game. Faddes really exposed his lack of pace and, if we were to meet them again, we would have to find a way to fix that.

    Agree Chris, it's been pretty rare for Toddy to play Crotty at centre. And to be honest he's way better at 12 for us.
     
    He's been tried at 13 in previous years and I don't think it suits his game.



  • I haven't seen enough of him to judge. Has he got the physical ability?

    He might be Jimmy Goppeth but does not have anything close to the running game or speed of West.



  • Another Bleyendaal in my opinion, too slow for the top level.



  • From Patrick McKendry - NZ Herald.
    Adding a sense of intrigue to the traditional grudge match between the Blues and Crusaders at Eden Park tomorrow night is the impending departure of halfback Bryn Hall to the southerners.
    Hall, out of favour and on the reserves' bench for the Blues tomorrow, will take advantage of Andy Ellis' retirement from Super Rugby and look to resurrect his career at the Crusaders.
    With Augustine Pulu set to arrive at the Blues from the Chiefs next season, and Billy Guyton slipping ahead in the pecking order, there is no room for Hall at the Blues but he will back himself to thrive in Christchurch alongside Mitchell Drummond.
    The 24-year-old hasn't reached the heights that were perhaps expected of him after a breakout 2014 when he overtook Piri Weepu for the No9 jersey. Then, he was a menace with the ball, but injury, including a fractured foot, hit his ambitions.

    The development of Drummond, 22, at the Crusaders has been reasonably rapid but he has been forced to take more of a back seat this season because of the form of Ellis.
    Drummond will likely be the No1 halfback next season but Hall will be given every chance to challenge him.
    Guyton started for the Blues against the Crusaders - for whom he played for a season - in round two in Christchurch when coach Tana Umaga's men were soundly beaten up front and gets another opportunity after starting in last weekend's victory over the Force in Perth.
    That 17-13 win at nib Stadium - in which the Blues were clinging on to the lead on their own line at the final whistle - contrasted with the Crusaders' 29-10 victory over the Waratahs in the rain in Christchurch



  • Fuck
    Although playing behind our forward pack is a different proposition tho.
    I'm hoping jack Stratton has a breakout npc



  • from what I hear, the signs are promising, if it happens, it is a while off yet anyway and plenty can change; whether any move is just for Mitre 10 as well as Super rugby is the bigger question I suspect, if his brother is offered another Blues contract, who knows

    Spoke to current northland coach Dale McLeod today at Christchurch club rugby.
    Reckons Goodhue will play for northland in NPC but is committed to staying down here and playing for the crusaders



  • Spoke to current northland coach Dale McLeod today at Christchurch club rugby.
    Reckons Goodhue will play for northland in NPC but is committed to staying down here and playing for the crusaders

    pretty much what I heard, expect Josh to accept a Super contract next time he is offered one, seems to have his head screwed on though, knocked back an NPC one first time he was offered one, then a Super one as he didnt feel he was physically ready.



  • Oh great, "TJ" and Justin Marshall. It was so much nicer listening to last nights game with them absent.



  • Does anyone know when Fruan is due back?



  • Oh great, "TJ" and Justin Marshall. It was so much nicer listening to last nights game with them absent.
    So far we've had Marshall talking about George Crotty vs George Moala and TJ saying "the ball is still there for the all blacks" when the Crusaders recycled.



  • Master stroke by Umaga to start duffie marking nadolo


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