Concussion....



  • Who has watched the Will Smith Movie Concussion? Thought it was a great watch. As a physio who has done some work with a few of the guys who helped create the concussion testing in rugby this movie was crazy the effects many of those guys got after retiring.



  • I thought it was a good movie. Obviously for drama, some facts were slightly changed but it lead me to reading up about it on the web.
     
    What freaked me out was how many of the players knew the reasons they were going nuts but they couldn't find a way to do anything about it. 
     
    Also has Gugu Mbatha-Raw which earns it extra brownie points in my book.



  • Has to make you wonder though doesn't it the likes of Ngatai who has been off for so long with concussion symptoms the long term ramifications of it all. I remember living overseas and Sydney Crosby who was the best in the NHL has half a season off with concussion came back got smoked again in the next game. Bigger faster stronger younger means more hits. Unfortunate thing is there is no real predictor on long term effects so only time will tell.



  • Given all the new information, is anyone else worried about their situation later on in life? 
     
    As a flanker, i got a huge number of head knocks. Thankfully i was only actually knocked out a couple of times my whole career, but they seem to think it's the build up of "micro-concussions" that can cause issues. I don't know how many times i've emerged from a ruck dazed, given the head a little shake, and then run off. Concussion protocols were pretty lax the whole time i played as well, with mandatory stand downs coming in late, and even then easy to get around.
     
    While most of my issues now seem to be around my neck, there is a small part of me that worries if 14-odd years of senior rugby may have taken their toll on the grey matter. 
     
     
    As an aside, I'm coaching now, and I'm much more impressed with how concussions are treated, and how cautious medical staff are about clearing guys to play.



  • Given all the new information, is anyone else worried about their situation later on in life? 
     
    As a flanker, i got a huge number of head knocks. Thankfully i was only actually knocked out a couple of times my whole career, but they seem to think it's the build up of "micro-concussions" that can cause issues. I don't know how many times i've emerged from a ruck dazed, given the head a little shake, and then run off. Concussion protocols were pretty lax the whole time i played as well, with mandatory stand downs coming in late, and even then easy to get around.
     
    While most of my issues now seem to be around my neck, there is a small part of me that worries if 14-odd years of senior rugby may have taken their toll on the grey matter. 
     
     
    As an aside, I'm coaching now, and I'm much more impressed with how concussions are treated, and how cautious medical staff are about clearing guys to play.

    You'll be posting like Hooroo within 12 months.



  • what ever Terry



  • I thought it was an excellent movie. Although my Nigerian mate tells me Will Smith's accent was terrible and p1ssed off quite a few people in Lagos.
     
    Watching it I couldn't help but think rugby probably doesn't have it as bad as football, as because of all the padding/helmets etc they seem to charge in like Rhinos using the head as a weapon. In rugby as a youngster you're taught to tackle "cheek to cheek" and get your head on the right side. Sure you still end up with plenty of head knocks in a career, but I feel like that's better than almost seeking them out like they do in football?



  • Given all the new information, is anyone else worried about their situation later on in life?
    As a flanker, i got a huge number of head knocks. Thankfully i was only actually knocked out a couple of times my whole career, but they seem to think it's the build up of "micro-concussions" that can cause issues. I don't know how many times i've emerged from a ruck dazed, given the head a little shake, and then run off. Concussion protocols were pretty lax the whole time i played as well, with mandatory stand downs coming in late, and even then easy to get around.
    While most of my issues now seem to be around my neck, there is a small part of me that worries if 14-odd years of senior rugby may have taken their toll on the grey matter.
    As an aside, I'm coaching now, and I'm much more impressed with how concussions are treated, and how cautious medical staff are about clearing guys to play.

    Id say theres a much better chance of you choking on a dildo.



  • Watching it I couldn't help but think rugby probably doesn't have it as bad as football, as because of all the padding/helmets etc they seem to charge in like Rhinos using the head as a weapon. In rugby as a youngster you're taught to tackle "cheek to cheek" and get your head on the right side. Sure you still end up with plenty of head knocks in a career, but I feel like that's better than almost seeking them out like they do in football?

    From what I have read, a lot of it is the cumulative nature of continuous head knocks in training and during games.  It is not just the big hits, but the continuous trauma that american football players get exposed to.
     
    The jury is still out on rugby, but I think the head effects are not generally as bad.  As TeWaio says- you don't use your head as a weapon in rugby.



  • There is an interesting medical study on American football players with/without a "jugular" collar that puts light pressure on the jugular vein in neck.
    Effectively it keeps the skull filled with extra blood. The tests demonstrate that the brain was less able to bounce around the skull on impact and dramically fewer incidents of concussion compared to control group. They got the idea from woodpeckers.
    Maybe in a few years players will be running out with mouth guard and "collar".
    http://gizmodo.com/this-woodpecker-inspired-collar-could-protect-athletes-1782249329



  • Who has watched the Will Smith Movie Concussion? Thought it was a great watch. As a physio who has done some work with a few of the guys who helped create the concussion testing in rugby this movie was crazy the effects many of those guys got after retiring.

    Magpie can you tell us the tests or questions they do in the sheds during a game whenthe players go off for testing?
    Or any of the tests actually



  • Magpie can you tell us the tests or questions they do in the sheds during a game whenthe players go off for testing?
    Or any of the tests actually



  • Has to make you wonder though doesn't it the likes of Ngatai who has been off for so long with concussion symptoms the long term ramifications of it all. I remember living overseas and Sydney Crosby who was the best in the NHL has half a season off with concussion came back got smoked again in the next game. Bigger faster stronger younger means more hits. Unfortunate thing is there is no real predictor on long term effects so only time will tell.

    As I mentioned in another thread I've heard James Broadhurst is completely done, no way he'll make a comeback which is a real shame.