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One thing that also bugged me..and surely it's been mentioned is what happened to our must win attitude? That penalty with what was in 10 mins to go to bring the gap to 7, I saw going for that kick as an admission that we were happy settling for a draw. It should have been smashed to the corner and had everything thrown at the try line, sure we may have blown it and lost by 10 overall but at least we we'd have the right attitude and wouldn't die wondering.

The worst part of that night in Cardiff was depressingly getting back to my accommodation only to discover my lucky All Blacks boxers were on inside-out. Sorry team.

Sorry to hear that @Baron-Silas-Greenback ,

You've been part of the furniture here since even my lurking days in the early 2000's. I might have celebrated this announcement a few years back thinking it was a good thing that someone who viewed the world through a lens I disagreed with just disappeared, no doubt some will now. But like the 10th man principle, sometimes that sole opposing voice that you hate so much might just be trying to stop you from running headfirst into a brick wall. You were harsh…often too harsh, you didn't suffer fools, but your opinions were always your own and not just regurgitating a headline read the morning before or jumping on a popular bandwagon because everyone else was.

I think you also followed sport at some point, Cricket was it? Rugby too?

All the best for your future life as a tsf lurker trying your darndest not to correct a poster so wrong its scarcely comprehensible.

Well I also blame Laurel. She knows she has a massive unfair advantage and is cheating other girls out of their hard earned dreams. The gentlemanly (sue me) thing to do would be not compete and maybe go into coaching or something.

@booboo said in Plans for Saturday:

@Rembrandt said in Plans for Saturday:

I was going to do a quiet one at home but I happened to be at a Irish bar midweek which was all decked out for the WC so I've now booked a table there. Risky move for sure if results don't go my way (or even if they do...), I'll be the only kiwi rest of the group being an international assortment of friends, not really rugby fans but coming along for a gander anyway.

Wear Black.

Definitely, going to Trudeau it up big time

right I can't see the drunk thread so my wise input will be here alone. you can fuck right off sbw. i was a fan right up until you decided banks were bad for your playing jersey but not your training jersey and now this shit, deserved red even in my inebriated state. if we win this now it will be a miracle, I hope laumape has an absolute stormer and we dont see that offloading codehopping cockgoblin in black again.

@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@MN5 , bro she's single! It's your time

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I wonder if DEVAST8ED is single too. Could be a great kiwi celeb matchup

Maybe a blessing in disguise after the head knock shenanigans and gives some of these other guys some valuable gametime at both AB and super level. Hopefully come back strong in prep for 2019 and if not we should have some well prepared deputies to fill in.

@Jaguares4real Due to the ABs dominance over the last few years you'd struggle to find a kiwi who'd ever not take a loss to heart. Boks and England have had some awful losing streaks so they have had to adjust to that reality, for the most part we haven't. It is ridiculously high standards for sure, calling a game a 'friendly' undermines how seriously we take each match even if other teams don't see it that way. That unfriendly ethos could very well be a driver of our success where other teams seem happy for the odd win, a draw, a moral victory or maybe just winning a half.

We're not going to drop that standard and it's just too bad for the opposition if they priouette into a game against us with a loser attitude.

Strike first, strike hard, no mercy!
The Cobra Kai AB way!

Saw "Terminator 2" in 3D at the cinema last night

A beautiful story about self responsibility, empowerment and the value of a strong father figure in a child's life.

We learn the importance of respecting peoples beliefs even if we disagree with them and that above all else a persons inherent value comes not from the colour of their skin (or indeed whether they have internal organs) but rather, by the content of their character. Also...Blue lives matter.

Certainly a movie from a by-gone era

5 busted kneecaps outta 5 timeless one liners

@raznomore said in Exodus 2018:

Messam did a lot of good for NZ rugby. A good team man. But my lasting memory of him will always be going ahead of people to grab a medal at the world cup he didn't play in.

Mine is his chat with Cruden just before taking that 2nd kick to beat Ireland in 2012? to secure the perfect season. Such a cool moment, no idea what he said just looked like some much needed support at the most critical of times

Loved the game. Hope this becomes a regular fixture. Jordie is definitely growing into his body, becoming a bit of a weapon.

I made a note of a 'Carl Hayman - Day in the Life' from back in 2007 (pre WC) when he was the talk of the fern. Apologies I didn't note who wrote it.

Carl Hayman - Day in the Life

Woke up. Shaved.Killed beast, cut beast into pieces. Ate some beast. Shaved. Tore down some really big trees and threw trucks around. Ate more beast. Shaved. Moved house...little bit to the left. Ate beast. Shaved. Slept the sleep of the pure."

I've managed to snake Monday morning off work, just need to log a few hours this weekend. Considering they have won every game I've watched this tournament I think we can safely say this is in the bag.

@mariner4life said in NZR and AIG to part ways:

i, for one, would like to thank AIG for using their American Government bailout money to ensure we won the 2015 world cup. thanks champs!!

It's only Italy but..I really like the idea of Jordie on the wing. Big advantage for crossfield kick scoring opportunities, he also seems to have filled out a bit with the ability to bump off tackles.

So guess where I spent my evening!?

Despite what their bathroom decor would indicate if I was to sum up the whole night it would actually be 'a little bit of hope'.

TL;DR
There was a lot of very disturbing attitudes, but I managed to say my piece and I actually think I got through to a few people

I had a goal of at least trying to challenge the prevailing extremist feminist outlook and maybe just maybe being able to have at least a couple of people to at least try and see another opinion. I believe under that craziness most of these ladies are decent people just trying to make sense in the world, whilst being sold a harmful yet incredibly seductive victim narrative.

There was most certainly some incredibly stupid 'look at me, I'm a victim' shit which made me lose hope in the fairer gender..however when it came to discussions, after some initial hesitancy in giving me a chance to talk I really felt I was able to get my point across on many aspects. It probably helped that I had backup from my feminist friend who had invited me and who also happened to be the only black woman there. The women on our table had clearly never really been challenged in their beliefs, and really struggled to articulate what they meant by 'gender equality' or what a 'good feminist' is. My friend was very quick to point out her own imperfections as a women everytime they went down the 'these are all the bad things men have done' route. There were actually some very going points made and by presenting an alternative opinion that was well articulated I ended up getting some unexpected support and even better clarification on my own arguments.

After the table discussions we had a chance to present our views on different topics to the room as a whole. My friend went up and did a good talk on the important of treating each other as individuals and the importance of allowing discourse. Encouraged by how well that went down, I braved the room and spoke about how from my point of view the feminist movement has become extremist, how with any discussions I am pre-judged now as a white privileged nazi in order to silence my opinion and its that extemist element that needs to be addressed before feminism can be regarded again as a movement for good. This got a couple eye-rolls but for the most part a lot of nodding and a really good response.

I could have said a lot more of course but a) I was nervous as all hell and b) I was very conscious about not going too far and undoing all of the good work made. On the table I was able to bring up details of the recent Australian studies that showed hiring bias was now in favour of women, the equivalency between Antifa and actual nazis and even a positive response to the idea that the movie 'The Red Pill' is actually worth watching and in no way deserving of a ban much less death threats.(again backed up by my friend).

The cafe owner herself was too busy doing the food for the evening to participate, which was both disappointing due to the lack of potential fireworks but good in that it allowed for decent discussion

All in all it was a good experience, I am however under no illusion that this was mostly due to my friend who was able to support my arguments leaving the expected take down of 'you're just a privileged white man' completely irrelevant. Whether I'll be invited to another one remains to be seen.

@taniwharugby I remember my cousin knowing he was a horse at 5 years old. The family couldnt afford a horsederectomy at the time..which was fortunate as he now identifies as a man.