Looks like Prop 16 is going to be defeated. Good to see some sanity remains in California.
@reprobate Seriously? Christ mate it's a US politics discussion thread on a NZ rugby forum...you known kinda where people discuss US politics...oh but thanks for your concern buddy, really sure you mean that, almost brings a tear to my eye that a bloke somewhere in the world is going that extra mile to try and reach out and help a fellow human being in such a time of need. Such a selfless act which I'm sure the sycophants will lap up with glee
Righto my election prediction.
So this is how it sits according to latest polling. 319 Biden to 219 Trump, though a large number are 'technically' toss-ups.
Not pretty viewing and although betting odds are narrowing it doesn't look good for Trump.
The polls are surely more accurate than last time, a lot of reputations got tarnished after 2016 so I can't see the same mistakes being made and I don't buy the idea that polling is intentionally being skewed to dissuade Trump voters (If anything I'd have thought that would energise a base). On top of that Corona has removed Trumps "It's the economy stupid" argument and unlike 2016 msm and social media has gone pretty much all-in on censorship of anything anti-Biden. I find it funny showing supposedly 'politically informed' folk Biden gaff clips that they had absolutely no idea about, let alone the mind-boggling content of crackhead son's laptop.
Having said all that, I still have hope. Trump supporter enthusiasm is off the charts, huge rallies, convoys, regattas. Look up on youtube to find amateur artists writing songs and raps for Trump where there is no real equivalent for Biden. My feeling is those polled who support Trump will vote while those who support just may not, the only enthusiasm is really to be against the Orange Man.
In 2016 we were told he was 'literally Hitler'...and well after 4 years and still no concentrations camps, an increasing support amongst minorities, recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the development of the #blexit & #walkaway movements, a string of peace deals (Bahrain/Israel, Israel/UAE, Serbia/Kosovo, Israel/Sudan), no additional major military conflicts (how long since a president who managed that?)...well where can the anti-Trump argument go? Sure you can hit him with Corona handling, though surely some responsibility lies with state representatives..and of course public gaffs and tweets..but it doesn't really measure up to "Trust us, he is Hitler, electing him will be a crime against humanity!".
Of course the side effect of the extremist anti-Trump narrative pushed by mainstream outlets had the side effect of painting anyone who was either supportive of or even neutral to Trump as being racists/nazis/facists/-insertword-phobic and as such it is your civic duty to berate, dox, assault and do everything in your power to have their means of employment and supporting their family removed. I have a MAGA hat but even in a city on the other side of the world I can nearly guarantee if I was to wear it in public I would be attacked. Has there been any other US president where showing support will likely get you attacked in public in a foreign western country? Hell I had a family member of my partner frothing at the mouth about how Trump and his family need to be murdered for the sake of humanity at a family skype dinner the other day, this from a medical specialist with his own practice. The brainwashing at work to create such a visceral reaction from a respected medical professional is incredible as it is terrifying. I can only imagine this being significantly worse in democrat strongholds & toss-up states and its from this I see the shy Trump support. If anyone asks you say you are voting Democrat because failure to do so could very likely result in significant pain to you or your family.
Finally as cities around the US are busy boarding up their windows for expected violence during election night, you can bet it isn't Trump supporters they are worried about. The twin marxist movements of Antifa and BLM have really made their mark this year, fighting for racial justice and against the evils of capitalism through assault, vandalism, arson and murder. It took Biden until August to condemn the violence with Democrats appearing to openly encourage it until polling started to show that it might not be the vote winner they thought it was. Most recently this occurred in Pennsylvania which is shaping up to be a very key battleground state, this looked to be safely in Biden's hands until a couple weeks ago..
So in conclusion my prediction is that the polling has improved and a lot of 2016's polling issues have been accounted for..however I think the specific enthusiasm, shy Trump support and folk who appreciate law and order are new issues which will not be accounted for in 2020 polling. At a guess I think this could be worth about a 4% shift on the polls and as such I see Trump taking it narrowly at 285 to 253
Of course I'm hoping like hell for a more convincing win than even last time, including the popular vote, as I see that as being the only way this rising radicalism in the states can be addressed.
If I'm wrong and the Dem's take it out as expected then I think we can all agree its certainly been a fascinating 4 years on the Trump train.
With polls vs enthusiasm a key question come election day, I wonder whether there are there grass roots supporters releasing viral pro-Biden songs? I can't find any but maybe the algorithm is working against me. A hell of a lot of pro-Trump out there.
Just finished the Tony Bobulinski interview on Tucker. Pretty damning stuff. Details meetings with Joe Biden and explains context around emails and texts released implicating Biden family business dealings with the CCP for financial gain.
Dem's (Biden/Schiff + much media) basically calling Bobulinski (Veteren with high security clearance) a russian agent and refusing to take back the claims is what made him come forth publicly and release all. There are also voice recordings of a Biden representative trying to stop Bubulinski from going public as it would 'bury them all'.
Rough scenes from Philadelphia last night.
Black man attacks police with knife, gets shot dead (on camera). Cue riots, fires, attacks on police and mass looting of businesses. At one point a truck ran through a row of cops running over a female officer.
BLM with some last minute battle ground state campaigning for Trump.
(Warning rough scenes)
I guess all will be revealed tomorrow.
Something major or just hot air? Odd to stop in-person campaigning 9 days out from an election?
Edit. for clarity its a 1 day in-person campaigning 'lid' currently
Don't get me wrong if there was anything like this about Trump it would be leading news across every outlet..doesn't make it right to release though.
The Hunter hookers drugs and toes is funny more than anything. Again if it were Don Jr it would be leading news across the globe. Will be interesting to see how this is supressed.
@JC For context that was one of a trove of photos that came out from msm during the "Trump is locking children in cages!" outcry. A few days/weeks later it was discovered the photos were taken during Obama's term. Biden & supporters still pushes the repeated lie that Trump implemented these policies not the previous administrations. "Who built the cages, Joe?" was Trump's repeated retort in the last debate.
@Rembrandt i can wait, research is against fern policy! tbh i don't think Biden supporters care anymore about the laptop than trumps do about russia/China etc.
I'm going to check it out later and hope the mute was used well.
I know its against fern policy but for posterity's sake I've done a very rough list from some of my news sources, not all, as things have streamed through pretty fast, I read stuff as it came in and not all of these links I've checked out but many I have, try and look at the references to original reporting and sources rather than the editorializing.
Hoping putting this in quotes will stop the auto-embed thing cause that might cause issues....
Evidence of dodgy Biden deals for monetary gain. https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/10/23/267736-n267736 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/leaked-files-show-years-of-hunter-bidens-business-dealings https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-elena-baturina-devon-archer-russian-oligarch-money-launder/ https://medium.com/@the_war_economy/investigation-biden-ukraine-24edb6399989 https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/1319312849320185857 https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/1319280974044131328 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laptop-hunter-biden-linked-fbi-money-laundering-probe https://thepostmillennial.com/emails-reveal-hunter-bidens-associate-had-investment-with-moscow-mayors-wife https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1318368421067837446 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald Ex business partner flipping sharing another huge tranche of emails confirming original accusations and the 'big guy' Joe Biden's involvement. https://thepostmillennial.com/former-hunter-biden-business-associate-says-joe-biden-is-the-big-guy https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1319223988455878659 https://www.wsj.com/articles/now-corruption-story-is-about-joe-not-hunter-11603392288 https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1319424931659194368 https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1319423886262476800?s=28 https://twitter.com/hansmahncke/status/1319707862642425861?s=12 https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-fbi-asks-tony-bobulinski-for-interview-this-morning https://thepostmillennial.com/hunter-bidens-business-partner-asks-him-to-remove-joe-bidens-photo- from-ukraine-energy-firm-website https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1319730738951049217 https://twitter.com/mikeemanuelfox/status/1319280974044131328?s=28 https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318298066219388928 https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/18/exclusive-peter-schweizer-hunter-bidens-flipped-business-partner-provided-26000-emails/ Emails: https://www.scribd.com/document/480513131/11-Re-urgent-issue-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513130/09-Re-urgent-issue-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513126/21-Re-Re-Mexico-trip-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513120/15-Re-Media-reaction-to-PR-on-HB-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513117/08-Fwd-ukraine-2nd-news-bulletin-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513115/04-Tmrw-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513112/01-note-from-Steve-Clemons-confidential-pdf https://twitter.com/MatthewTyrmand/status/1318041774447841281 Hunter now not only a degenerate crack-head but also implicated in potential possession of child-porn at best or at worst involved in such and potentially with a family member. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318698971729137664 https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1319755453677457409 https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1319285251575742465?s=28 https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1318931828481400833 https://twitter.com/zoomerclips/status/1318758645488705536?s=28 https://www.revolver.news/2020/10/hunter-laptop-rudy-giuliani-underage-biden-family-member/ Dem's and much MSM still crying "Muh russia!!!" despite authenticity of details now confirmed from multiple sources including the FBI. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-hunter-biden-laptop-story-is-russian-plan-despite-lack-of-evidence https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-federal-law-enforcement-confirms-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sources-tell-fox-news-fbi-has-possession-of-purported-hunter-biden-laptop https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8861635/FBI-taken-possession-Hunter-Bidens-laptops.html https://t.co/KLwIyvcbzP?amp=1 Other outlets simply choosing (NPR openly) not to cover this. https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/why-big-media-will-never-report-on-hunter-bidens-emails/ https://twitter.com/NBCNewsPR/status/1319348765094969345 Social media still suppressing news and banning those who discuss or share it (NYPost's twitter is still suspended, don't by Jack Dorsey's bullshit policy change), https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1316748407541837825 https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-allows-farrakhan-spencer-dictators-new-york-post-censored https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1318005673272266753 https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1319030379534188544 https://twitter.com/azachparkinson/status/1319686412158095363?s=12 https://twitter.com/emmajonyc/status/1319609837685190656?s=28 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/twitter-facebook-testify-senate-after-election-432048 https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/election-meddling-twitter-locks-account-of-trump-campaign-national-press-secretary-hogan-gidley/ google employees now on hidden camera providing further confirmation of intentional election interference. https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-google-senior-executive-there-are-many-ways-to-influence-elections https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-project-veritas-exposes-google-executive-discussing-censorship-and-election-interference/ https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-project-veritas-exposes-google-manager-admitting-to-election-influence https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1318331575852011520 Previous insiders: https://www.bitchute.com/video/g1VeElBAeas/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/uu5-VQuFU_g/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/rEZtpKZcAwQ/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/tuQBM-Ho_ds/ Suggestions other Dem's implicated including "O" whomever that could possibly be. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts https://twitter.com/WarRoomPandemic/status/1319407926927294467
Some links will be stronger than others and no doubt some or even a lot might in time be proven as 'bunk', but considering the bar for national mass international mainstream media scandal and multimillion dollar investigation has been set as low as "Deranged fan-fiction from anti-Trumper' then this at least is worthy of some attention.
@Paekakboyz Ha if you're seriously interested I'll put in the time to collate them
Debate was a huge improvement. Moderator was very good too. In my mind unlike the first one this was a clear win for Trump. Will it sway voters? Maybe. Biden for periods was stuttery and uncomfortable, Trump was on form and surprisingly precise. The laptop from hell was bought up multiple times, Biden naturally went to "Muh russian disinformation campaign!"..which I think even diehard liberals are a bit over now. Even with the suppression it won't take undecided voters long to find the contents of this laptop.
Favourite part of the night. Biden confusing Trump and Abraham Lincoln and calling Lincoln a racist..and then the look on Biden's face when Trump called him out on it.
Wow wee! What a last few days of releases!
Evidence of dodgy Biden deals for monetary gain. Ex business partner flipping sharing another huge tranche of emails confirming original accusations and the 'big guy' Joe Biden's involvement. Hunter now not only a degenerate crack-head but also implicated in potential possession of child-porn at best or at worst involved in such and potentially with a family member. Dem's and much MSM still crying "Muh russia!!!" despite authenticity of details now confirmed from multiple sources including the FBI. Other outlets simply choosing (NPR openly) not to cover this. Social media still suppressing news and banning those who discuss or share it (NYPost's twitter is still suspended, don't by Jack Dorsey's bullshit policy change), google employees now on hidden camera providing further confirmation of intentional election interference. Suggestions other Dem's implicated including "O" whomever that could possibly be.
I mean it's not as iron tight as WasPo or NYT's "anonymous sources say" or anything
Bring on the debate!
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.
Well I'm not the son of a presidential nominee whom looks to have been involved in illegal activities and maybe even along with the father potentially dodgy and maybe even treasonous dealings with foreign entities. Quite different circumstances.. might even be in the publics interest just before a presidential election.
Also remember this was provided to the FBI in the first place but nothing came of it. It is certainly in a IT repair stores remit to report illegal activity to authorities.
From what has been released so far I think there are 3 main points.
Hunter is a complete druggie loser degenerate who thanks to who his daddy is has been given high positions at a ridiculously high salary in firms he has no knowledge or experience with. As you rightly say this is hardly new information.
There is now evidence in emails released, contrary to what Joe Biden has publicly stated, that he has been involved in Hunter's business dealings with Barisma with an introduction, the Biden camp has denied there was an official meeting on Biden's schedule however importantly don't rule out an unofficial one during the blank space on his schedule. This is important when tied together with the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Barisma, a firing that Biden publicly on video bragged about causing through his influence.
There is emails talking about a split in equity for a deal with a Chinese energy firm (a firm with ties to CCP and a chairman who has since 'vanished'). This had 20% going to Hunter Biden, 10% of which Hunter is to hold on to for "The big guy". Fox news has reported that they now have confirmation from one of those on the email trail that "The big guy" is Joe Biden. (Initials used in the email matches the names on the email thread)
There is no 'head-shot' here. But there is enough to raise very significant questions on someone who might yet be the next US president. The fact that the Biden camp has not denied the authenticity of this data is very relevant. In my mind the mass unprecedented censorship from Twitter and Facebook is also relevant, if Biden can't deny the authenticity for fear of trapping himself in a lie then the only option they have left is to prevent the spread of this information.
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
@Paekakboyz I don't know, but what would you classify as an 'independent source'? I think these days that is right up there with the tooth fairy & santa claus.
At this point I'd say a a lack of denial from the Biden camp plus numerous photos proving this is Hunter's data is pretty compelling.
So emails have metadata and have also been verified by one of the recipients, the Biden camp are still yet to deny their authenticity and apparently there are emails to be released showing Biden's lawyer desperately requesting the return of the hard drive from just prior to the story breaking.
Getting very interesting now.
I wonder...hypothetically speaking if course...if there is also maybe some video/images of an illegal sexual nature involving Hunter Biden. Would media companies still refuse to report on it or would the potential salaciousness be enough to break the pro-democrat censor?