Counties Manukau v Tasman
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@shark Surely the Crusaders backline should be: 9. Hall 10. Mo'unga 11. Bridge 12. Goodhue 13. Ennor 14. Reece 15. Jordan, with Havili that utility cover on the bench.
Harsh on Havili I know, but Jordan is just too good to leave out.
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@Canes4life I would have him over Ennor. While both are class acts, Jordan IMO is the more complete player.
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@Canes4life Jordan is behind Havili in the pecking order. No way they'll name him on the bench to give Jordan the start at fullback.
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@Stargazer if that's the case then, I would look elsewhere if I was Jordan. He is clearly a fullback.
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@Canes4life He has just re-signed for several years, knowing full well who he is competing with and for which spot(s).
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Parkinsn's going really well. If he can keep the form for next year, the 2020 ABs are going to look completely different.
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@Stargazer I think he's better than Havili though, so Havili could lose his spot fairly early on in the season if Jordan fires.
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@Canes4life I think the Crusaders coaches disagree with you. And the Ta$man coaches as well, because Havili is also playing fullback for them and Jordan on the wing.
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Sooooooo many knock-ons. from Counties....
I can only admire that Mako$ pack - that was some drive -
Ta$man with all their super rugby experience are just doing everything at a different pace to CM..based on what I have seen Taranaki actually did quite well to hold them to 10 points..
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@Stargazer Jordan got injured for the Crusaders, he had that 15 spot locked down before his injury. In Ta$man's case it's probably more of a case of having all the quality players on the park at once.
I'm not saying Havili is a bad player, I just know class when I see it, and Jordan has it in spades.
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@Canes4life Don't make me laugh, he had hardly played for the Crusaders before his injury, which kept him off the field in 2018. In 2019, he played mostly on the wing or came off the bench (mostly to replace a winger).
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Ok well at least it wasn't 80 points shipped....
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Was like watching an execution by lethal injection, you knew death was coming it just took a long time..
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@Stargazer I'm laughing at the fact you think Havili is better. I'm not talking about 2018, he was injured last year after making a blistering start to the season.
I can almost guarantee that if he wasn't injured last year and kept playing like he did, then he would be on the plane to Japan for the WC, instead it's Reece.
I clearly see him wearing 15 a few times in the below video. Maybe you need your eyes checked.
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@Canes4life said in Counties Manukau v Ta$man:
@Stargazer Jordan got injured for the Crusaders, he had that 15 spot locked down before his injury. In Ta$man's case it's probably more of a case of having all the quality players on the park at once.
I'm not saying Havili is a bad player, I just know class when I see it, and Jordan has it in spades.
He had so much going for him and now you've just uttered the death knell for his career..
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@Stargazer said in Counties Manukau v Ta$man:
@Canes4life Don't make me laugh, he had hardly played for the Crusaders before his injury, which kept him off the field in 2018. In 2019, he played mostly on the wing or came off the bench (mostly to replace a winger).
Agree with this. He was mainly on the wing this year for the Crusaders i thought.
Ennor is a bit overrated. I wouldn’t be shuffling guys like Goodhue around to fit Ennor at 13, especially because Ennor has looked better as a winger than 13.
I would bet Havili will start at either 12 or 15 with Jordan at 15 or 14. However during the season
Im sure we will see all sorts of combos given there is a bit of depth there.In terms of higher honours i would say Jordan is better off concentrating on 14 for now. Dmac, BB, Jordie and possibly Havili will be ahead of him for the AB 15 spot. 14 will be pretty wide open unless Reece cements it during the RWC.
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@pukunui the back three is interchangeable and if Jordan can cover all three then his stock rises.
I may be wrong, but purely from what I've seen from Jordan so far, I think he will have a long career in the Black jersey. Jordie will be a midfielder eventually IMO - when he shifts to the Blues.
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Baby Shark again, eh Counties? Well, what's Freddie got in his bag. I think...
Tonight, I'm gonna have myself a real good time
I feel alive...
....So don't stop me now
Don't stop me now
Cause I'm having a good time, having a good time.Thank goodness we've got that out the way.
Good effort by the Mako - pretty much just smothered Counties in the wet.
Duane Monckley medal points should be shared mainly around the forwards - Blackadder, Strange, Taufua, Havili all prominent. Lots of others good, but on short shifts.
Several worrying head knocks - we can't afford to lose Hunt, especially, but nor Makalio for any period. Do like the look of Sam Moli, though. Have the Crusaders got Funnell coming back? - If not he's worth looking hard at.
Jordan is a better runner with the ball than Havili - bigger and faster - but still makes a few more mistakes - getting isolated and turning the ball over. Improving all the time though. I'll be pretty surprised if he's not an AB by the end of next year. Mind you, Havili's got a pretty decent chance at being an AB next year as well.
The battle with Will Jordan for the No. 15 jersey and the added responsibility of captaining Ta$man seem to be getting the best out of Havili, who has continued the strong form he showed for the Crusaders during the Super Rugby season by guiding Ta$man to four victories in as many matches.
"It's great. That competition makes you better, having a competitive environment makes the team better too. You can't get comfortable in the jersey and that makes you work harder and it makes the team go better as well. Will is a classy player and he's going to go a long way in New Zealand so the more he can push me the more he is going to get out of me and the more I'm going to get out of him so it works both ways."*
